London Mayor- Bush Regime Corrupt and Illegitimate.

[Zebo]

Except:From the link

"I think George Bush is the most corrupt American president since Harding in the Twenties. He is not the legitimate president." He later added: "This really is a completely unsupportable government and I look forward to it being overthrown as much as I looked forward to Saddam Hussein being overthrown."

Meanwhile don't worry Bush fans the ole boy has a very good strategy up his sleeve to insure re-election.

From the new york times (must subscribe)

Rove made the Bush strategy clear: It's the terror, not the economy, stupid, even if the nation is suffering rolling deficits and relentless unemployment, and despite Mr. Bush's serial tax cuts for the captains of industry. Democrats may want to talk health care and other economic issues, but they will have to grapple their way through a patriotic blitz of a campaign, if Mr. Rove has his red-white-and-blue way. Democrats can rightly fear an "October surprise" coming color-coded by Tom Ridge next time around.

"The country has not been hit since 9/11," Mr. Rove took care to note, as if tracking a new gross domestic product index as he fielded a question about the civil rights strictures of the Patriot Act.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I just love it when someone earns the right to have a fan club.
ShrubCo is building a nice one.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I just love it when someone earns the right to have a fan club.
ShrubCo is building a nice one.

Ya he still wimped out though when he realised it would effect tourism and perhaps the cities bottom line. Whores all of them.

 

[Tab]

He won't be the Mayor for much longer....

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Tabb
He won't be the Mayor for much longer....

How so?

 

[Lynx516]

Tabb as here in the UK the mayor of London is democratically elected he wont be forced out. Infact we had quite alot of people agreeing with Mr Livingston. He is much loved for being an outspoken polititian who tells the truth and what he feels. The country honours him for it. If he believes that bush is corrupt then he has a right to express his opinion. Over here the story didnt make much news dont know why it has you guys flustered.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Lynx516
Tabb as here in the UK the mayor of London is democratically elected he wont be forced out. Infact we had quite alot of people agreeing with Mr Livingston. He is much loved for being an outspoken polititian who tells the truth and what he feels. The country honours him for it. If he believes that bush is corrupt then he has a right to express his opinion. Over here the story didnt make much news dont know why it has you guys flustered.

No one is flustered. I'm in complete agreement with this statement.

And in a statement, officials from the US embassy in London, said: "Mayor Livingstone's opinions about the United States are a matter of complete indifference to the American embassy, the American government and the American people."

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Lynx516
Tabb as here in the UK the mayor of London is democratically elected he wont be forced out. Infact we had quite alot of people agreeing with Mr Livingston. He is much loved for being an outspoken polititian who tells the truth and what he feels. The country honours him for it. If he believes that bush is corrupt then he has a right to express his opinion. Over here the story didnt make much news dont know why it has you guys flustered.

Just don't act surprised when London is added to Bush's Axis of Evil.

And rumor has it "London Broil" is being replaced with "Freedom Broil" in the congressional cafeteria.

 

[Fencer128]

Ken never was one to mince his words. He's right about one thing though - the Bush presidency is not particularly well looked on by the majority here (being careful with my wording there!). I have no doubt that support for the war did not always equal support for the current administration.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[jjones]

He's entitled to his wrong opinion.

 

[burnedout]

So what?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. For example, a C-SPAN survey of historians ranked Bill Clinton worst regarding "moral authority".

Link

But I digress.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

So let me see Clinton cheated on his wife with an intern and lied about it . . . that's a greater moral affront than starting wars for the sake of increasing American territory or exterminating Native Americans? How about actively supporting coups to depose democratically-elected governments?

What exactly does moral authority mean to you?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
So let me see Clinton cheated on his wife with an intern and lied about it . . . that's a greater moral affront than starting wars for the sake of increasing American territory or exterminating Native Americans? How about actively supporting coups to depose democratically-elected governments?

What exactly does moral authority mean to you?

Are we confusing morality with ethics?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

That's a good question . . . I didn't find the criteria C-SPAN used with either the Historian or Viewer surveys. My assumption is that many categories are self-explanatory (Public Persuasion) while others probably have different meanings for every historian/viewer who voted (moral authority, relations with congress, international relations, vision/setting agenda, economic management, administrative skills, performance within the context of the time).

Even something relatively free of ambiguity . . . persued equal justice for all . . . likely produces widely divergent views from Abigail Thernstrom, Gore Vidal, Stephen Ambrose (RIP), and the Daughters of the American Confederacy.

 

[LunarRay]

Bali

Even something relatively free of ambiguity . . . persued equal justice for all . . . likely produces widely divergent views from Abigail Thernstrom, Gore Vidal, Stephen Ambrose (RIP), and the Daughters of the American Confederacy.[/quote]

And Abigail, a Congressionally appointed commissioner on the US Commission on Civil Rights, supports ...persued equal justice for all... like minded Republicans... IMO.

 

[zephyrprime]

Are we confusing morality with ethics?

Morals and ethics are almost the same thing.

Morality
1 a : a moral discourse, statement, or lesson b : a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson
2 a : a doctrine or system of moral conduct b plural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
3 : conformity to ideals of right human conduct
4 : moral conduct : VIRTUE

ETHICS
1 plural but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but singular or plural in construction : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> d : a guiding philosophy

 

[Dari]

One of the problems of this new world, this world of instant information, is that people think they know so damn much. They think the barrage of information coming from all angles somehow add to the value of the discussion. People these days think that they know exactly what is going on. That is a shame.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Are we confusing morality with ethics?

Morals and ethics are almost the same thing.

Morality
1 a : a moral discourse, statement, or lesson b : a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson
2 a : a doctrine or system of moral conduct b plural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
3 : conformity to ideals of right human conduct
4 : moral conduct : VIRTUE

ETHICS
1 plural but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but singular or plural in construction : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> d : a guiding philosophy

I use a simpler definition:

Morals - "Gods" law.
Ethics - mans law.

It is often hard to distinguish between the two. Example: Is stealing immoral or unethical? Yes, I know it's illegal.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Lynx516
Tabb as here in the UK the mayor of London is democratically elected he wont be forced out. Infact we had quite alot of people agreeing with Mr Livingston. He is much loved for being an outspoken polititian who tells the truth and what he feels. The country honours him for it. If he believes that bush is corrupt then he has a right to express his opinion. Over here the story didnt make much news dont know why it has you guys flustered.

who cares what the brits think, especialy about politics.

We should listen to those that let a mentally ill family rule them for centuries?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Morals - "Gods" law.
Ethics - mans law.

The problem with those simple definitons:

1) If morals are "Gods" Law or natural law . . . why does it change with locality, era, or religion?

2) Ethics are often based on tenets derived from morals but there's a lot of activity which is considered ethical but I would consider immoral (say the legal requirement that information about criminal activity be kept in trust between a lawyer and his client). Or there's the unethical but moral (I intentionally take a child into another county to get services b/c those services are not available where he lives).

And Abigail, a Congressionally appointed commissioner on the US Commission on Civil Rights, supports ...persued equal justice for all... like minded Republicans... IMO.

And what EXACTLY does Thernstrom consider equal justice for all?! My point is that even high-minded concepts which everyone would agree to at first glance . . . often look quite different when you ask for details. I've heard Thernstrom say vouchers in DC are a "basic matter of racial equality" . . . despite the fact a $2500 voucher buys no more than tutorial time at the most frugal prep school.
Regardless, while you tout her Congressional appointment one of your fellow GOPers implies Thernstrom shouldn't be on the board if her appointment was not by the President.
Linda Chavez rants about Berry with interesting historical notes

Abigail on equality
"Racial inequality is still an elusive goal," she wrote in an article for the New York Daily News. "We haven't won the ongoing battle against discrimination and inequality." It is a debate about means, not ends, concludes Thernstrom, who categorically opposes preferences to redress the legacy of discrimination, saying she supports a totally color-blind society.

So discrimination and inequality are still a problem in America and past offenses are quite egregious (albeit Thernstrom appears a bit confused in her statements). . . but the goal of a colar-blind society is otherwise attainable.

 

[Alistar7]

genetic engineering, make all of us Blue with identical features and individual numbers, let the bigots waste their lives trying to figure out who to hate....

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

So let me see Clinton cheated on his wife with an intern and lied about it . . . that's a greater moral affront than starting wars for the sake of increasing American territory or exterminating Native Americans? How about actively supporting coups to depose democratically-elected governments?

What exactly does moral authority mean to you?

"Moral authority", in this particular context, was simply inserted as a comparison in an otherwise worthless topic of discussion. So what if the Mayor of London thinks Bush is the most corrupt leader since the 20s? Big freakin deal! This particular mayor's leader, Tony Blair, obviously doesn't think highly enough of him to vote for his readmission back in the Labour Party.

At any rate, others are convinced Clinton was the most corrupt President. And yet even others believe Nixon or LBJ was. However, who is right or wrong is not the point.

But nevermind about Vietnam. I mean, nevermind about the conflict that killed over 50,000 Americans, possibly 2 million or more Vietnamese, and divided this country further apart than at any time since the American Civil War, correct? Yep, it is but all too convenient to mount the current apologists bandwagon of choice and ride it till it breaks, right?

 

[Lynx516]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Lynx516
Tabb as here in the UK the mayor of London is democratically elected he wont be forced out. Infact we had quite alot of people agreeing with Mr Livingston. He is much loved for being an outspoken polititian who tells the truth and what he feels. The country honours him for it. If he believes that bush is corrupt then he has a right to express his opinion. Over here the story didnt make much news dont know why it has you guys flustered.

who cares what the brits think, especialy about politics.

We should listen to those that let a mentally ill family rule them for centuries?

Well I care what we think. As a country America seems to most of the world to be pretty corrupt. For example is it just coincidnce that the company that was given the job to put out the burning Iraqi oil wells was paying the Vice President your counrty $1m a year? If that happened over here the minister involved would have to resign and would probably face criminal charges.

P.S. I didnt insult your country why insult mine?

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Lynx516
For example is it just coincidnce that the company that was given the job to put out the burning Iraqi oil wells was paying the Vice President your counrty $1m a year? If that happened over here the minister involved would have to resign and would probably face criminal charges.

NEWSWEEK April 7 issue
-snip-
When Cheney stepped down from Halliburton to run for vice president, he sold
his company stock and gave profits from his stock options to charity. But he
still had more compensation coming. Rather than taking it in a lump-sum
payment of about $800,000, Cheney opted for "deferred compensation," Wendy
Hall of Halliburton tells NEWSWEEK. Cheney chose annual payments of "less
than $180,000" from 2001 to 2005, says Hall, which offers a tax benefit.
-snip-

 

[Alistar7]

psssstttt cheney and haliburton making money off uncle sam goes back farther than this war, he got that job originally for a reason, this is just business as usual at this point.

Is there an election coming up? If he retains his position of Mayor will we hear an apology as we did from the German offical who apologized recently for using the Iraq issue as a politcal weapon in his campaign?


Maybe the MAYOR should worry about his city, I guess he has nothing positive to say about his administrations policies.

How did I "insult" your country? I asked why we should care what one low level british political figure who uses words like "regime" when discussing a democratically elelcted leader and talks about "overthrowing" the government. I ASKED...

"We should listen to those that let a mentally ill family rule them for centuries?"

Is that true or not? Personally I think a monarchy leads to a more accurate representation of a Regime....

PLUS it's the BBC being used as the source here, who is so biased against the US IT"S OWN EMPLOYEES HAVE CALLED THEM OUT, how odd to see another piece critical of Bush in that rag.....