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Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
The interest being generated in places like AT makes me think more and more that "PC geeks" were in mind when they made the Mac Mini. It needs to be small cause the targeted user already has a full sized PC (or 2 or 3). It doesn't need a KB/M 'cause the targeted user already has a USB KB/M (or 2 or 3). Apple, I believe, is hoping for a trickle down effect. If the PC geeks (and websites, and mags) start seeing Macs as viable options (not replacements exactly) hopefully that will trickle down to the average user.
Lethal
Mac OS X has never had the Apple puzzle game, it has a 3D chess program instead.Originally posted by: mrgoblin
So halfadder. What your saying is A. the g4 1.25 ghz has life in it; 2. that the mac has games (besides the puzzle with the apple on it); 3. that you dont care about performance because you are comparing your imac with a via which is never a good situation and ;4. form factor is more important than value. Lets be honest here. Your not buying the imac because its a good computer, your buying into a trend. Its the same reason why people buy macs. Not because they are faster but because they look pretty and are fashionable. If you could run OSX on your pc with mac drivers, what would be the advantage of owning a mac? As far as form factor is concerned, there is the AMD PIC [L]http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html[/L] with its 250 buck price tag. BUT [l]http://www.amd.com.hk/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_12264_12262,00.html[/L] it also comes with a 15 inch crt mouse and keyboard. The way I look at it, the Imac mini just doesnt cost 500 bucks. 700 is probably the right number with what you need to buy. For 700 bucks, I can probably configure a shuttle system.
Originally posted by: LtPage1
this isnt the place to make fun of mac-bashers. try insidemacgames for that. get used to bad press from the ignorant masses- the mac has been getting it for years, its nothing new.
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: LtPage1
this isnt the place to make fun of mac-bashers. try insidemacgames for that. get used to bad press from the ignorant masses- the mac has been getting it for years, its nothing new.
The computer-literate masses, maybe... the regular masses think macs are uber computers because they're expensive and have chic tv ads. They don't buy them because a Dell is 80% less expensive.
Originally posted by: mrgoblin
So halfadder. What your saying is A. the g4 1.25 ghz has life in it; 2. that the mac has games (besides the puzzle with the apple on it); 3. that you dont care about performance because you are comparing your imac with a via which is never a good situation and ;4. form factor is more important than value. Lets be honest here. Your not buying the imac because its a good computer, your buying into a trend. Its the same reason why people buy macs. Not because they are faster but because they look pretty and are fashionable. If you could run OSX on your pc with mac drivers, what would be the advantage of owning a mac? Without going into the reasons why people could also use linux and save a lot more money and still do everything a mac or pc can do, theres no reason why anyone should own an apple. I dont hate apple. I think they make fine mp3 players and monitors but until they get serious about processor power and price, I have no reason to make the switch. As far as form factor is concerned, there is the AMD PIC with its 250 buck price tag. BUT it also comes with a 15 inch crt mouse and keyboard. The way I look at it, the Imac mini just doesnt cost 500 bucks. 700 is probably the right number with what you need to buy. For 700 bucks, I can probably configure a shuttle system.
Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: mrgoblin
So halfadder. What your saying is A. the g4 1.25 ghz has life in it; 2. that the mac has games (besides the puzzle with the apple on it); 3. that you dont care about performance because you are comparing your imac with a via which is never a good situation and ;4. form factor is more important than value. Lets be honest here. Your not buying the imac because its a good computer, your buying into a trend. Its the same reason why people buy macs. Not because they are faster but because they look pretty and are fashionable. If you could run OSX on your pc with mac drivers, what would be the advantage of owning a mac? Without going into the reasons why people could also use linux and save a lot more money and still do everything a mac or pc can do, theres no reason why anyone should own an apple. I dont hate apple. I think they make fine mp3 players and monitors but until they get serious about processor power and price, I have no reason to make the switch. As far as form factor is concerned, there is the AMD PIC with its 250 buck price tag. BUT it also comes with a 15 inch crt mouse and keyboard. The way I look at it, the Imac mini just doesnt cost 500 bucks. 700 is probably the right number with what you need to buy. For 700 bucks, I can probably configure a shuttle system.
No. Its $500. You seem confused. You see, if you want a keyboard mouse and monitor included, Apple has something called an iMac for that. Do you understand anything about targeted marketing? The shuttles are ugly and less powerfull.
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
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Originally posted by: Tiamat
Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: mrgoblin
So halfadder. What your saying is A. the g4 1.25 ghz has life in it; 2. that the mac has games (besides the puzzle with the apple on it); 3. that you dont care about performance because you are comparing your imac with a via which is never a good situation and ;4. form factor is more important than value. Lets be honest here. Your not buying the imac because its a good computer, your buying into a trend. Its the same reason why people buy macs. Not because they are faster but because they look pretty and are fashionable. If you could run OSX on your pc with mac drivers, what would be the advantage of owning a mac? Without going into the reasons why people could also use linux and save a lot more money and still do everything a mac or pc can do, theres no reason why anyone should own an apple. I dont hate apple. I think they make fine mp3 players and monitors but until they get serious about processor power and price, I have no reason to make the switch. As far as form factor is concerned, there is the AMD PIC with its 250 buck price tag. BUT it also comes with a 15 inch crt mouse and keyboard. The way I look at it, the Imac mini just doesnt cost 500 bucks. 700 is probably the right number with what you need to buy. For 700 bucks, I can probably configure a shuttle system.
No. Its $500. You seem confused. You see, if you want a keyboard mouse and monitor included, Apple has something called an iMac for that. Do you understand anything about targeted marketing? The shuttles are ugly and less powerfull.
You seem to be getting caught up in your own words. Firstly, the Mac Mini is as you say. However the shuttle is similar as well. The shuttle is not ugly and is not less powerful. Perhaps you can argue the first part of the latter sentance, however you simply cannot say something as broad as "less powerful".
The main problem with target marketting is that people just outside of that target are also interested, but start spreading bad news when the two or three additional components that they would want are not there.
Here are a couple examples of how similar $$ can get you a decent PC
Shuttle SN95G5: $309
AMD A64 3000+: $155
Mushkin 1GB PC3200: $137
Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB: $104
Total: $705
Shuttle SK83G: $200
AMD A64 3000+: $135
Mushkin 512MB PC3200: $65
Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB: $104
Total: $504
Obviously, the bottom one is closer to the price of the Mac Mini. I see the Shuttle winning here in everything that is ram intensive, and things like games hands down. Double the ram, and a much better graphics card. Not to mention the processor is nothing to laugh at.
If the mac mini were 400$, or came with 512MB ram, and 9600pro, things would be very different.