LoL, this is funny the gf4 card (mx may i say)

[BmXStuD]

Ok i got a geforce 4 mx440se card, and also i have a radeon 7200 both sdram and agp. When i play games like quake3 arena, the geforce 4 mx card drops fps bad in high detail scences. Now with the ati card this didnt happen. So is the ati card faster than the new card. (gf 4 mx440se) I dont see how its slower it seems that since it was just made it soon be better than an old ati card which fps can stay higher.

 

[BmXStuD]

bumb? is this normal for these cards?

 

[Auric]

In NVIDIA marketing parlance SE designates a lower model so performance can be expected to be even worse than a normal MX440 which is more equivalent to ye olde Radeon 7500. For a current model to be significantly slower than a two year old 7200 is really quite atrocious though. I hope you didn't pay more than $30 for it.

 

[BmXStuD]

$33

 

[ScrewFace]

As long as you only play Quake and QuakeII engined games a GeForce 4 MX4x0 will be sufficient. Quake3 and Unreal-based games require a Geforce4-Ti4x00 and Unreal II and Doom III-based games'll require a RADEON 9700 Pro or a GeForce FX.

 

[Mingon]

The 7200 has not got TnL iirc, this means some features wont run, the mx can run these just dead slow hence the problem

 

[Auric]

The 7200 does have TnL. It was the later cut-down 7000/VE that did not.

 

[kylebisme]

also q3 only uses t&l for a minor performace boost and does nothing to add featrues to the game.

 

[BmXStuD]

umm yes the 7200 has a powerful TnL engine. Says that on the box.

 

[Mingon]

oops i was thinking VE my bad..are you running 32bit colour ? the mx 440's lmaII hsr only works in 32bit - might be worth checking as well as vsync

 

[merlocka]

Perhaps try benchmarking them and see which provides a higher result?

 

[nRollo]

" As long as you only play Quake and QuakeII engined games a GeForce 4 MX4x0 will be sufficient. Quake3 and Unreal-based games require a Geforce4-Ti4x00 and Unreal II and Doom III-based games'll require a RADEON 9700 Pro or a GeForce FX. "

You have absolutely no idea at all what you're talking about, do you, Screwface?

 

[Soulkeeper]

wow I wasn't aware that that card was so incredibly weak
upgrade upgrade !!

 

[KingofFah]

You can play Unreal and Q3 just fine on a GeForce2 DDR. My ti4600 runs quake with 150-300 fps on giant maps at 1600X1200 32Bit max detail (No AA or Ansio). Not 100% sure, but I think the ti4600 will run UT2K3 with decent frames (around 100) at 1024X768 32bit if I remember the benchmarks I saw correctly. I am not upgrading for D3 until I see how badly it makes my card run (the alpha is so badly screwed up you really cannot make a judgment from that). My next buy is the 2100 tbred b. After that, I would probably begin saving up for whatever next gen card is out later this year.

 

[Auric]

Savage4 rocked Unreal at 800x600. Of course it used the ginny's best renderer (MeTaL) which also allowed exclusive use of the hi-res textures. It also kicked booty at ye olde Quake III.

 

[nRollo]

" wow I wasn't aware that that card was so incredibly weak "
The original poster apparently has other issues Soulkeeper.

The 7200 has 64 MB SDRAM. The GF4 440MX SE has 64MB 333MHz DDR, and the LMA2 helping it. I seriously doubt the 7200 SDRAM has close to the 440MX SEs 5.4GB/sec memory bandwidth.
The GF 440MX Se has 4 pixel pipes with 2 tmus per running at 250MHz, whereas the lowly Radeon 7200 has 2 pipelines running at a lower speed (although I couldn't find speed spec in a quick search, even the 7500 is only 185-200MHz last I saw) with 3 tmus per. (or perhaps less knowing ATIs habit of crippling cheap models)

In any case, the 440 MX SE is basically a slightly souped up GF2 DDR, which blows away a SDR Radeon.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1334&p=7

Why do I know so much about 440MX SEs? I bought one for my 3 year old, and it's pretty good. You shouldn't assume BMXSTUDER knows what he's talking about just because he bought the card.....

 

[BmXStuD]

no some gf4 mx440se are sdram and mine is one. Lol i know what im talking about b/c its not ddr FYI its sdram! Also what os do you use and what drivers? and who made the card mine is palilt daytona.

 

[VicodiN]

MX = rebuilt Geforce2... End of story

 

[BmXStuD]

Originally posted by: VicodiN
MX = rebuilt Geforce2... End of story

yes we know.

 

[nRollo]

" no some gf4 mx440se are sdram and mine is one."
The nVidia MX440 spec is DDR is BmXStuder.

The Truth Straight From nVidia

You and "Pallit Daytona" (whoever that is- why would you buy crap like that?!) can call your card a 440MX all you like, but nVidia says it's an MX 420.

The 440MX SE is a little faster than a GF2 GTS DDR, and has a couple extra features. So for the $60 after rebate you get them for, they are a good deal and more than powerful enough to run many games acceptably w/o FSAA, aniso on.

I use Win ME, whatever the latest on nVidia's site are, and my card is a PNY.

 

[Haden]

MX SE SDR = 1/2 memory bandwith of MX SE DDR (they're both have 128-bit ram),
I replaced my SDR version to DDR and performance changed from 23fps to 59fps...

 

[nRollo]

" MX SE SDR = 1/2 memory bandwith of MX SE DDR (they're both have 128-bit ram),"
If you guys would have followed my link to the nVidia web page, you would have seen that THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A 440 MX SE SDR!

Sigh.

Here it is again for those that missed it the first time

Sort of proves my point BMXSTUDER (and perhaps Haden) don't know what they're talking about?

Even Palit, the card he has, says there's no such thing as a GF4 MX440 SDR

So let's review:
1. nVidia says there's no such thing as a 440MX SE SDR
2. His card manufacturer says there's no such thing as a 440MX SDR
3. BmxStuder says he "knows what he's talking about" and "there are 440 MX SE SDRs".


Maybe he should let Palit and nVidia in on the secret? Maybe he works at the Palit factory over in Taiwan and slipped some SDR on to the 440 MX SEs!

LOL

 

[Haden]

Yes there is no info in nvidia page about it. But I had Pointview MX440 SE SDR for like a weak (peace of crap, like I said).
Links:
Leadtek
Take note, memory bandwidth is not 5.3G (like in DDR MX440 SE) but 2.7G (1/2).
Google

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Auric
Savage4 rocked Unreal at 800x600. Of course it used the ginny's best renderer (MeTaL) which also allowed exclusive use of the hi-res textures. It also kicked booty at ye olde Quake III.

I had a Savage chipset....UT looked great!

Of course, now there is an OpenGL patch for UT that lets you use those hi-res textures with any card.

 

[sash1]

"If you guys would have followed my link to the nVidia web page, you would have seen that THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A 440 MX SE SDR!"

Stop trolling you ass, and go do some research, there are 440MX SE's with SDR. I've seen a few, notably AOpen has one.

As for the MX440 sucking compared to the 7200, it doesn't surprise me. The fact that it has SDR just makes it a 420 but faster. Had the MX440 been the DDR version, it would easily beat the 7500, but not with crappy SDR.

~Aunix