lol high framerate movies look AWFUL

[futurefields]

i was just at my local high end video retailer and they had whatever George Clooney's latest movie playing. Omg this makes every acting "reaction" shot look unintentionally hilarious. This smooth motion takes all the weight of the cinematography and takes a big smooth diareeah turd out of it.

 

[PliotronX]

I think it's mostly because we grew up with 25 frames being the de facto standard but I also can't stand any interpolation or high framerate for movies. Looks great at first but it takes a lot of the cinematic feel out. I tend to only use 120Hz on select animation and TV shows...

 

[purbeast0]

welcome to 5 years ago.

i hate it too, it makes everything look like it's a play and they are on a stage/set.

 

[Matthiasa]

Funny what happens when additional visual information is given. That said I prefer additional visual information over the blurred mess that people call "cinematic". However a lot more care needs to be taken when doing so due every visual issue sticking out horribly.

welcome to 5 years ago.

i hate it too, it makes everything look like it's a play and they are on a stage/set.

That is because they usually are on a stage/set...

 

[Crusty]

Funny what happens when additional visual information is given. That said I prefer additional visual information over the blurred mess that people call "cinematic". However a lot more care needs to be taken when doing so due every visual issue sticking out horribly.

That is because they usually are on a stage/set...

With proper motion blur high frame rates look great...

 

[kt]

You'll get used to it. I also hated it at first but after a few months, it looks normal again and anything less looks like a blurry mess.

 

[Crono]

I think it's mostly because we grew up with 25 frames being the de facto standard but I also can't stand any interpolation or high framerate for movies. Looks great at first but it takes a lot of the cinematic feel out. I tend to only use 120Hz on select animation and TV shows...

I like high frame rate if it was shot that way. Interpolation, though I can't stand. It never looks right.

 

[purbeast0]

Funny what happens when additional visual information is given. That said I prefer additional visual information over the blurred mess that people call "cinematic". However a lot more care needs to be taken when doing so due every visual issue sticking out horribly.

That is because they usually are on a stage/set...

oh really? i was not aware of that could you also tell me how babies are made? my son isn't old enough to talk yet so he can't tell me. thx!

 

[purbeast0]

You'll get used to it. I also hated it at first but after a few months, it looks normal again and anything less looks like a blurry mess.

a lot of people don't realize this, but it's a setting that can be turned off. different companies call it different stuff down in the menus. my brother was so happy when i told him he could turn it off and he found it in the menus.

 

[Jumpem]

The first thing to do with a new TV is to turn off and of the smooth motion type settings.

 

[Raduque]

Could also just buy a straight 60hz set... if they still exist.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I like it, people can keep their "cinematic" nonsense. I prefer my games AND my movies at a high framerate.

 

[ethebubbeth]

I like high frame rate if it was shot that way. Interpolation, though I can't stand. It never looks right.

That's my stance as well.

 

[Rakehellion]

George Clooney

There's your problem.

 

[thomsbrain]

Watching any "action sports" video (or anything with lots of camera panning) in native 60fps and then snapping down to 30 is like switching to a slide show. 30 doesn't even look like video anymore.

But with a "clean palette" not tainted with having just watched something in 60 fps, I definitely know the issue when it comes to movies. For whatever reason, 24 fps seem to provide "cover" that masks flaws in both acting and imagery. Somehow it's an important part of suspending disbelief. But when those credits roll in 24 fps, they are so choppy that sometimes I get motion sickness.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I like high frame rate if it was shot that way. Interpolation, though I can't stand. It never looks right.

This. Give directors time to adjust for it. Native "high" framerate video will be much better than the video processing of low framerate content.

Give it 20 years and you'll straight trip balls on the visuals (VR, high framerates, resolution basically indistinguishable from reality). Movies will need to change as well though. I'm sure we'll get a lot of lamentation about the "death of cinema" and the usual blather, but there's going to be some really interesting experiences (and I'm not even talking about the porn either!).

oh really? i was not aware of that could you also tell me how babies are made? my son isn't old enough to talk yet so he can't tell me. thx!

WTF, are you 12?

I like it, people can keep their "cinematic" nonsense. I prefer my games AND my movies at a high framerate.

I would like native higher framerate movie content. And games, it depends, as it's not a necessity for all game types. It'd be nice to have the control. I actually wonder if there might not be "cinema" mode settings that start cropping up that reverses higher framerates, since it can actually give some people headaches.

 

[Kaido]

I always disable it when I'm at a store, office, or someone's house. Looks terrible for cinematic movies.

The only nod I'll give it is that HFR 3D does make 3D look super awesome, but the "we're on a set" soap opera effect ruins it.

 

[Triumph]

With proper motion blur high frame rates look great...

Sooo...you record it at a high frame rate, to get rid of motion blur, only to add back motion blur in production?

 

[ViRGE]

I like high frame rate if it was shot that way. Interpolation, though I can't stand. It never looks right.

Agreed in full. Real HFR content looks amazing, it does away with the smearing and the judder. However interpolated content looks exactly as bad as you'd expect when you're making up half of the content.

 

[zinfamous]

Aye, it's nauseating. Another useless fad that hopefully dies with 3D.

 

[RaistlinZ]

24/25fps needs to die. The future is about smooth and fluid motion.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I like it. Movies always felt muted and muffled growing up.

 

[destrekor]

I haven't seen a native HFR movie. Watching a movie shot in 24fps -- or a TV show shot in 29fps -- on an HFR TV looks absolutely terrible. But I'd like to see a 48fps movie on a TV that can properly display that without interpolation.

But then again, I have a Panny PDP, and I have heard that for cinematic content, the interpolation is better than watching in multiples of 24fps due to excessive judder (or was it an excessive shutter-like strobe effect?). I wonder if the same would hold true for true HFR content?

However, there doesn't exist a native way for HFR content, right? I'm not aware of an HFR Blu-ray spec... is there any way we can test this theory for movie content? I'd love to.

 

[JoeBleed]

There seem to be two different things being talked about in this thread. what was the OPs original gripe about?

1. the smooth motion stuff manufactures add/off on their displays? which can be disabled
2. content actually shot in high/higher frame rate above 24/25/30 fps?

my personal opinion, for most things i hate option 1. option 2 i love. why they're even doing a stop gap at 48fps is baffling to me. move up to 60fps or possibly higher.

edit: rereading the OP, seems like he's griping about option 1. why even bother griping about it, just turn it off, it's old/dated info now.

 

[Triumph]

The real question is, what does HFR recording do to eliminate the shakey-cam trend? Why does the camera ALWAYS need to be moving, even in dialogue scenes?