LOL... Hawaii Governor Tried to Shut Up Birthers... Major Backfire...

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dali71

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Clearly Obama has nothing to hide, which is why the first thing he did on his first day in office was to sign Executive Order 13489 into law.
 
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Clearly Obama has nothing to hide, which is why the first thing he did on his first day in office was to sign Executive Order 13489 into law.

Which revoked and replaced Bush's order 13233. They are basically the exact same order covering the exact same information.
 
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Not to get all conspiratorial here but MoS pops up and 9 of his first 10 posts are in Obama birth cert threads... Interesting. :hmm:

Is that you Mr. President? :awe:
 
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Not to get all conspiratorial here but MoS pops up and 9 of his first 10 posts are in Obama birth cert threads... Interesting. :hmm:

Is that you Mr. President? :awe:

Frequent reader tired of the birthers ignoring so much fact and law that I finally spoke up :D

I'm not foolish enough to ever try to be President. I'd blow the country up during my inauguration somehow.

Edit: And the law is my life. And to see it so frequently bastardized is mind numbingly frustrating.
 
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boomerang

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Well we seem to be having a pretty civil discussion so I will ask a question related to an earlier post of mine. It seems that we have some lawyer types involved so maybe we can get a "true" answer.

Records show that Obama, when registering for school in Indonesia, was registered as Barry Soetoro. We'll have to assume that this name change was done in a legal manner for the sake of this question. I understand that it's possible that this may not be the case because I don't know to what degree Indonesia was the "wild west" for lack of a proper term during that time frame. His application may not have come into question at all and whatever name was put down may have been acceptable.

But anyway...assuming this was a legal name change, would his BC have had to be changed also to reflect that name? I believe it would have assuming the letter of the law was followed.
 
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Well we seem to be having a pretty civil discussion so I will ask a question related to an earlier post of mine. It seems that we have some lawyer types involved so maybe we can get a "true" answer.

Records show that Obama, when registering for school in Indonesia, was registered as Barry Soetoro. We'll have to assume that this name change was done in a legal manner for the sake of this question. I understand that this may not be the case. I don't know to what degree Indonesia was the "wild west" for lack of a proper term during that time frame. His application may not have come into question at all and whatever name was put down may have been acceptable.

But anyway...assuming this was a legal name change, would his BC have had to be changed also to reflect that name? I believe it would have assuming the letter of the law was followed.

There's really nothing to indicate it was a legal name change. Irrelevant of that fact, as I said previously, a child's citizenship rights can not be renounced solely by actions of the parent. A person under the age of 18 would have to convince a diplomatic or consular officer that they fully understand the nature and consequence of the oath of renunciation.

His stepfather registering him in an Indonesian school under that name doesn't really prove much of anything. But yes it would have altered any future issuance of his amended birth certificate IF the entire process was followed from beginning to end dependent on the laws for the state in question. Some don't automatically amend birth records after a court ordered name change.

The funny part is the form in question that started the whole name change debate lists his birth place as HI.
 

Fern

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Well we seem to be having a pretty civil discussion so I will ask a question related to an earlier post of mine. It seems that we have some lawyer types involved so maybe we can get a "true" answer.

Records show that Obama, when registering for school in Indonesia, was registered as Barry Soetoro. We'll have to assume that this name change was done in a legal manner for the sake of this question. I understand that this may not be the case. I don't know to what degree Indonesia was the "wild west" for lack of a proper term during that time frame. His application may not have come into question at all and whatever name was put down may have been acceptable.

But anyway...assuming this was a legal name change, would his BC have had to be changed also to reflect that name? I believe it would have assuming the letter of the law was followed.

I have not witnessed a legal name change per se. However, in my line of work I must examine many legal doucments which undergo change or amendment etc. The original document is not altered. No one takes 'white-out' and alters the original. Instead, superceeding documents, amendments etc are attached etc to keep the 'paper trail' intact.

There are also practical purposes to keep the original unaltered. E.g., how could the court issue an order to change "X" to "Y" and then "X" be obliterated? If it were later challenged, no "X" could be found to ever exist. If "X" never, in fact, existed then there could be no "Y". "Y" only exists because it was changed from "X". The legal (original) paper trail must be maintained.

Edit: Forgot to add, we don't where this supposed name change was to have occured. If it was done abroad it is likely the US would have no knowledge or record of it. It's a PITA to get such foreign court actions recogized in the USA.

Fern
 
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Well this is going to blow the whole thread out of the water to some degree.


Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

Heh... I posted that in #76 along with the radio interview that preceeded it. Kinda funny...

Reporter: Yeah, Neil told me there's nothing there... bumer.
NA: WTF? You moron... retract that!
Reporter: Yeah, I've never actually talked to Neil about that. That detailed account that I gave on the radio was all made up.

LMAO... oops...
 

boomerang

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Heh... I posted that in #76 along with the radio interview that preceeded it. Kinda funny...

Reporter: Yeah, Neil told me there's nothing there... bumer.
NA: WTF? You moron... retract that!
Reporter: Yeah, I've never actually talked to Neil about that. That detailed account that I gave on the radio was all made up.

LMAO... oops...
Sorry I missed your post. :$
 

werepossum

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110127/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate_1

Five Hawaii Democratic representatives want to pass a law making President Barack Obama's birth records public and charge $100 to see them.

The bill, introduced this week, would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records to anyone unless they have a tangible interest.

The measure hasn't been scheduled for a public hearing yet, and can't move forward until that happens.

Its primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla, says she wants to end the controversy surrounding Obama's birth by handing over official state records to those who will pay.

She says the fee would help offset the extra work by state employees who handle frequent phone calls and e-mails from people who believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.

Hawaii's health director has said she's verified Obama's original records, and notices were published in two newspapers within days of his birth at a Honolulu hospital.
American ingenuity in action - from government embarrassment to profitable income stream!

Now we see why so many prominent Democrats claim to have seen all these Obama records but no one can produce them - they were building demand for the product launch.
 

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Fern

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Well this is going to blow the whole thread out of the water to some degree.


Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

What's this guy's situation got to do with this thread?

The OP posted an article that appeared to be based on something else entirely. The OP's article looks to be based on the governor's interview with an Hawaiian newspaper, and one with CNN is also mentioned.

Aren't these two different things? Help me out here.

TIA

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What's this guy's situation got to do with this thread?

The OP posted an article that appeared to be based on something else entirely. The OP's article looks to be based on the governor's interview with an Hawaiian newspaper, and one with CNN is also mentioned.

Aren't these two different things? Help me out here.

TIA

Fern

Back up around post 75 I posted a radio interview this guy gave where he gave a very detailed account of a conversation he claimed to have with his old friend Neil Abercrombie where Neil told him that after searching and searching he couldn't find any definitive proof that BHO was born in Hawaii.

He also recounted how Neil had told him that he knew the family well and remembered BHO playing t-ball when he was about 5-6 years old BUT couldn't recall any memory of BHO as a kid before then.

Then drudge posted the youtube vid...

Then the dude suddenly recanted. MMhmmm... It's funny. I can only imagine the profanity blowing through that guy's ear-hole when he got the call from Neil. Haha..

Edit: Here ya go... Skip to 1:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE

LOL... Hmmm


Edit: And right on cue, as soon as it broke on Drudge, came the retraction...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/

Awesome...
 
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Zorkorist

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"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Here we go, Government limiting us again.

-John
 

jonks

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http://www.slate.com/id/2285017/?from=rss

[I'm paraphrasing here]
Q: Are fetuses people?
Speaker Boehner: Absolutely, they are deserving of full human rights protection and abortion should be outlawed.

Q: Should we have prayer in schools?
SB: Absolutely, prayer can only enrich children's educational experience.

Q: Should there be an individual mandate for healthcare?
SB: Absolutely not, it's socialist, unconstitutional and unamerican.

Q: Is Obama a citizen?
SB: Good heavens! It's not my place to tell the American people what to think.

Glad he knows when to draw the line...
 
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davmat787

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I agree that this would be an interesting solution, but I very much doubt Republicans would ever do it. While you and I might think our country has more important things to focus on, the fact is that ridiculous issues ARE what politics has become. Think about how many issues in the run-up to the 2010 election were substantive issue based debates and how many were about smearing opponents and embracing ridiculous issues to energize a party base?

Even real issues like health care played out in a childish manner. Actual debate over health care issues, at least from the Republicans, mostly seemed to consist of saying "Socialist", "Marxist" and "Unconstitutional" as many times as fast as they could. Things like the "birther" debate and the "Ground Zero Mosque" might be dumber issues, but the arguments are all equally stupid. Nobody WANTS to get past those kind of issues or those kind of arguments, because honestly they work in an election.

What about when a representative says republicans just want old people and the sick to die, and that is their answer to health care? Do comments like that count to in your book? Or that they are racist for wanting better border control?
 

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What about when a representative says republicans just want old people and the sick to die, and that is their answer to health care? Do comments like that count to in your book? Or that they are racist for wanting better border control?

It's true... Republicans do want old people and the sick to die, since that's exactly what ending Medicare and continuing with a non-universal health insurance system means. You do understand that people literally die for lack of insurance don't you?
 

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It's true... Republicans do want old people and the sick to die, since that's exactly what ending Medicare and continuing with a non-universal health insurance system means. You do understand that people literally die for lack of insurance don't you?
People die from a lack of medical treatment, not a lack of insurance.

The sad fact is that there isn't enough medical treatment for everyone that wants it; This means that the price of medical treatment goes up so as to act as a rationing agent, which in turn increases the amount of human and capital resources that go into medicine.

You do know that rationing health care and 'giving away' free medicine while 'controlling the cost of health care' leads to more people dead in the long run, don't you?