LOL at ufl game on right now

[Insomniator]

Channel surfing when I came across an odd looking football game on an odd channel.. soon realized it was the UFL.

There are about 500 people in the stands and Brooks freakin Bollinger is I believe 14/15 for like 200 yards.

I wonder if these teams could beat USC or Florida? I'm pretty sure they would be dominated...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

troof. the worst team in the history of the nfl (i guess the 08 lions??) would crush the best team in the history of college ball. these ufl teams could prolly give those lions a run of their money.

 

[rise]

heh, i keep thinking there are fans on the field and then realize they're refs.

 

[BeauJangles]

Last week there was a priceless quote from one of the California players.

"JP Losman is tearing up our defense, we really need to man up and play better in the second half. We can't give a guy that's that good so many chances."

JP Losman.

 

[zerocool84]

They need to make a Minor League over here. They should change this into it.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Last week there was a priceless quote from one of the California players.

"JP Losman is tearing up our defense, we really need to man up and play better in the second half. We can't give a guy that's that good so many chances."

JP Losman.

:laugh:

I bet Bills fans would fall out of their chairs reading that

 

[venkman]

JP Losman is the 97th best professional quarterback in the world.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

troof. the worst team in the history of the nfl (i guess the 08 lions??) would crush the best team in the history of college ball. these ufl teams could prolly give those lions a run of their money.

there have been a couple teams, in particular some of the USC and SEC defenses over the last decade that would be good enough to keep it close enough to be competitive.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
They need to make a Minor League over here. They should change this into it.

There is some rumor that this might be the direction that the league is heading, and a good idea IMHO. What better way to keep guys fresh to replace injured players.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: zerocool84
They need to make a Minor League over here. They should change this into it.

There is some rumor that this might be the direction that the league is heading, and a good idea IMHO. What better way to keep guys fresh to replace injured players.

Do you really think that they'll be able to support 32 minor league teams? I have a feeling that if the UFL survives it will become a minor league for football, but I think that it will work a little differently. You'll probably have teams with players from multiple teams.

Thoughts?

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

troof. the worst team in the history of the nfl (i guess the 08 lions??) would crush the best team in the history of college ball. these ufl teams could prolly give those lions a run of their money.

there have been a couple teams, in particular some of the USC and SEC defenses over the last decade that would be good enough to keep it close enough to be competitive.

With Brooks Bollinger and Tatum Bell behind the protection of an offensive line that averages over 320 pounds, there isn't a team in the history of college football that would hold any UFL team to less than 50 points. No way a bunch of 17-22 year olds could hang with these men, many of whom have years of NFL experience under their belts.

JP Losman has Tab Perry and Sammy Parker to throw to. With names like Chris Perry, Mike Doss, Ricky Manning, and Adam Archuleta (the highest paid safety in NFL history), the league still has lots of very good football players.

 

[darkswordsman17]

It definitely would make sense as a development league. There's a lot of talent that ends up going nowhere, since they can't play college anymore and can't quite make an NFL team. It would help NFL teams that want to hang onto players but have to cut them due to roster size.

I think that they should have it start in early August. Get rid of the NFL preseason (since a big goal of it would be managed via this other league), and have it run so that the playoffs are in December (when there's a big gap with college being mostly on hiatus, and would be over before the big College bowl games or the NFL playoffs start). It might also work during the summer and end towards the start of the NFL season. The key being aim for the downtimes of college/NFL, which would help with people actually watching it.

Of course all of this would be dependent on a partnership with the NFL, which I really don't see happening to be honest. Then again, no one expected the AFL to matter, let alone merge into the NFL.

I think it could be very beneficial for the NFL to have a semi-pro league though. They could get ownership groups (sorta like the Dolphins have now), I know there's plenty of people who would be interested (Mark Cuban, former NFLers like Elway who have tried Arena league, but they would have more support via the NFL).

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: zerocool84
They need to make a Minor League over here. They should change this into it.

There is some rumor that this might be the direction that the league is heading, and a good idea IMHO. What better way to keep guys fresh to replace injured players.

Do you really think that they'll be able to support 32 minor league teams? I have a feeling that if the UFL survives it will become a minor league for football, but I think that it will work a little differently. You'll probably have teams with players from multiple teams.

Thoughts?

I don't think its going to directly correlate as a true minor league like we see in hockey/baseball/etc, however I think the UFL is banking the league as a venue that allows for talented football players to keep playing to prove/reprove themselves capable of the NFL. The NFL's European league served this function but failed because it couldn't establish a foothold in the region. The Canadian Football League is another option but again, it is out of the sight and minds of Americans and thus doesn't quite equate. Arena football is also too different...I think the UFL can work as long as they don't over promise like the XFL, and so far they're not.

I think it'll have some success as a subservient league to the NFL.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

troof. the worst team in the history of the nfl (i guess the 08 lions??) would crush the best team in the history of college ball. these ufl teams could prolly give those lions a run of their money.

there have been a couple teams, in particular some of the USC and SEC defenses over the last decade that would be good enough to keep it close enough to be competitive.

With Brooks Bollinger and Tatum Bell behind the protection of an offensive line that averages over 320 pounds, there isn't a team in the history of college football that would hold any UFL team to less than 50 points. No way a bunch of 17-22 year olds could hang with these men, many of whom have years of NFL experience under their belts.

JP Losman has Tab Perry and Sammy Parker to throw to. With names like Chris Perry, Mike Doss, Ricky Manning, and Adam Archuleta (the highest paid safety in NFL history), the league still has lots of very good football players.

Consistently, I would agree, however "any given Sunday" would also hold true. I mean, I would actually say there was probably a bigger difference between Appalachian State and Michigan, than between a semi-pro team and a high level (at their peak) college team, yet we all know how that turned out.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17


Consistently, I would agree, however "any given Sunday" would also hold true. I mean, I would actually say there was probably a bigger difference between Appalachian State and Michigan, than between a semi-pro team and a high level (at their peak) college team, yet we all know how that turned out.

It's an interesting debate, but I just don't think there is any way a college defensive front could match up against one of these UFL offensive lines. These guys are essentially All American caliber players who have gone on to play in the NFL, and have had X number of years to put on tremendous amounts of extra size and strength. Throw a guy like Tatum Bell (who had at least one 1,000 yard rushing season in the NFL) or Michael Pittman (6,000 NFL rushing yards) and even USC or Florida get steam rolled.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: zerocool84
They need to make a Minor League over here. They should change this into it.

There is some rumor that this might be the direction that the league is heading, and a good idea IMHO. What better way to keep guys fresh to replace injured players.

Do you really think that they'll be able to support 32 minor league teams? I have a feeling that if the UFL survives it will become a minor league for football, but I think that it will work a little differently. You'll probably have teams with players from multiple teams.

Thoughts?

I don't think its going to directly correlate as a true minor league like we see in hockey/baseball/etc, however I think the UFL is banking the league as a venue that allows for talented football players to keep playing to prove/reprove themselves capable of the NFL. The NFL's European league served this function but failed because it couldn't establish a foothold in the region. The Canadian Football League is another option but again, it is out of the sight and minds of Americans and thus doesn't quite equate. Arena football is also too different...I think the UFL can work as long as they don't over promise like the XFL, and so far they're not.

I think it'll have some success as a subservient league to the NFL.

Yeah, it'll be more like 8-12 teams, but it'd only work if NFL teams could pull up guys at any point. Not sure how it'd work but could be interesting.

 

[techs]

C'mon people. Just about every player in the UFL was a college football star. As laughable as they may be, any UFL team would be ranked number one if they played against college competition.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There are plenty of superstar college players that can't cut it in the NFL, and these UFL teams are filled with such players. If a college team could beat one of these teams it would be because of superior team chemistry (ie playing together longer) not because of superior talent.

troof. the worst team in the history of the nfl (i guess the 08 lions??) would crush the best team in the history of college ball. these ufl teams could prolly give those lions a run of their money.

there have been a couple teams, in particular some of the USC and SEC defenses over the last decade that would be good enough to keep it close enough to be competitive.

With Brooks Bollinger and Tatum Bell behind the protection of an offensive line that averages over 320 pounds, there isn't a team in the history of college football that would hold any UFL team to less than 50 points. No way a bunch of 17-22 year olds could hang with these men, many of whom have years of NFL experience under their belts.

JP Losman has Tab Perry and Sammy Parker to throw to. With names like Chris Perry, Mike Doss, Ricky Manning, and Adam Archuleta (the highest paid safety in NFL history), the league still has lots of very good football players.

Consistently, I would agree, however "any given Sunday" would also hold true. I mean, I would actually say there was probably a bigger difference between Appalachian State and Michigan, than between a semi-pro team and a high level (at their peak) college team, yet we all know how that turned out.

I think you miss some key things. NFL uses way more complicated schemes than college. College uses way more complicated schemes than high school.

UFL uses the same type of schemes as the NFL. The complexity is very similar to the NFL.

That is why a team like App State could compete against Michigan. The talent gap wasn't that huge. App State recruits athletes not football players. Sometimes those athletes become good football players. When that happened, App was able to beat Michigan because the level of complexity wasn't out of this world when comparing the teams.

Now compare the best college team ever versus the worst NFL team. Talent wise, the NFL team will still have MORE talent. When combined with the fact that the NFL will run a much more complex defense and offense, the college team has ZERO chance. A college team would not be able to score on the NFL team and the NFL team would SHRED the simplistic college defensive scheme.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

If the UFL was some sort of minor league/D-league/farm league for the NFL, I think it could be successful and get along well at the same time as the NFL season.

However, if it's trying to be a competitor or an alternative to the NFL, it's going to bomb. Big time. Why would people watch a bunch of NFL castoffs when they can watch the real deal?

Oh, and the worst UFL team would crush the best college team. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Even as bad as the UFL is compared to the NFL, most of the guys in the UFL have played years of pro ball.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
If the UFL was some sort of minor league/D-league/farm league for the NFL, I think it could be successful and get along well at the same time as the NFL season.

However, if it's trying to be a competitor or an alternative to the NFL, it's going to bomb. Big time. Why would people watch a bunch of NFL castoffs when they can watch the real deal?

Oh, and the worst UFL team would crush the best college team. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Even as bad as the UFL is compared to the NFL, most of the guys in the UFL have played years of pro ball.

They're not trying to compete. The commissioner of the UFL has given numerous interviews on the subject, and meets with Goodell fairly often, or did at least prior to launch to talk shop. It maybe not be called the NFDL, but players look at it that way.

They structured their season so that it's possible playoff run NFL teams might snag a player or 2 from their league.

It's not in Europe, and it's not in Canada(I don't think anyway). I like the idea.

 

[chalmers]

There are people that actually think college teams could compete with these teams? lol....they would get destroyed.

 

[Lamont Burns]

A UFL team wouldn't even need to pass the ball against a college team. They could just run for 10+ most downs, and sub every RB on the bench.