LOL @ 8 yrs of C# experience

[Stuxnet]

There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

WANTED: SENIOR LEAD APPLICATIONS ARCHITECT/DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR
- 15 years minimum experience in I.T.
- Masters Degree in Computer Science or related field. PhD preferred.
- 15 years experience using C, C++
- 10 years minimum experience using Java AND .NET in integrated environments
- 10 years database administration with SQL Server 2005, Oracle, DB2, MySQL
- 13.5 years experience migrating apps from RPG to COBOL back to RPG, to FORTRAN, to .NET
- RPG, COBOL, FORTRAN
- Expert *nix, Windows XP/2003, AS/400, iSeries, and any O/S mistakenly omitted here
- OOP expert willing and capable of mentoring the other idiots we've hired
- Expert UML, XML, HTML, ZML, QML, LMLMLMLMLMLML, CSS, Javascript, Internet
- Perl, PHP, TCL, Ruby on Rails
- Visual Basic 6, VB.NET, C#, Managed C++, Visual Shitsafe
- Microsoft Word

$40k/year
(must be willing to travel, stay nights during "crunch periods", and be a team player [take it in the asshole])


They basically list every fscking acronym that turns up in a Google search of "technology", failing to recognize that they don't have the budget to hire a damn janitor.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

WANTED: SENIOR LEAD APPLICATIONS ARCHITECT/DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR
- 15 years minimum experience in I.T.
- Masters Degree in Computer Science or related field. PhD preferred.
- 15 years experience using C, C++
- 10 years minimum experience using Java AND .NET in integrated environments
- 10 years database administration with SQL Server 2005, Oracle, DB2, MySQL
- Expert *nix, Windows XP/2003, AS/400, iSeries, and any O/S mistakenly omitted here
- OOP expert willing and capable of mentoring the other idiots we've hired
- Expert UML, XML, HTML, ZML, QML, LMLMLMLMLMLML, CSS, Javascript, Internet
- Perl, PHP, TCL, Ruby on Rails
- Visual Basic 6, VB.NET, C#, Managed C++, Visual Shitsafe
- Microsoft Word

$40k/year
(must be willing to travel, stay nights during "crunch periods", and be a team player [take it in the asshole])


They basically list every fscking acronym that turns up in a Google search of "technology", failing to recognize that they don't have the budget to hire a damn janitor.

To be fair, the above might be the result of natural selection. If you have ever put out a request for people with a sparse requirement like so:

5 years experience in c#, including oracle and db2

And then notice the absolutely preposterous resumes you get back (basically, the resumes would qualify them for the job above on 95% of responding people) then when you interview the people they say, "well I've only really used oracle once, in college. I read about UML, HTML, XHTML, and Perl."

Obviously only the REALLY dumb people (aka honest) wouldn't list all the above skills on their resume at this point, since the companies look at the resumes before interviewing and thus would immediately throw away yours because you are honest and don't claim to know things you don't.

 

[her209]

^^^ LOL $40k for that

Hopefully that's not a real listing.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: jbourne77
There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

WANTED: SENIOR LEAD APPLICATIONS ARCHITECT/DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR
- 15 years minimum experience in I.T.
- Masters Degree in Computer Science or related field. PhD preferred.
- 15 years experience using C, C++
- 10 years minimum experience using Java AND .NET in integrated environments
- 10 years database administration with SQL Server 2005, Oracle, DB2, MySQL
- Expert *nix, Windows XP/2003, AS/400, iSeries, and any O/S mistakenly omitted here
- OOP expert willing and capable of mentoring the other idiots we've hired
- Expert UML, XML, HTML, ZML, QML, LMLMLMLMLMLML, CSS, Javascript, Internet
- Perl, PHP, TCL, Ruby on Rails
- Visual Basic 6, VB.NET, C#, Managed C++, Visual Shitsafe
- Microsoft Word

$40k/year
(must be willing to travel, stay nights during "crunch periods", and be a team player [take it in the asshole])


They basically list every fscking acronym that turns up in a Google search of "technology", failing to recognize that they don't have the budget to hire a damn janitor.

To be fair, the above might be the result of natural selection. If you have ever put out a request for people with a sparse requirement like so:

5 years experience in c#, including oracle and db2

And then notice the absolutely preposterous resumes you get back (basically, the resumes would qualify them for the job avoe on 95% of responding people) then when you interview the people they say, "well I've only really used oracle once, in college. I read about UML, HTML, XHTML, and Perl."

Obviously only the REALLY dumb people (aka honest) wouldn't list all the above skills on their resume at this point, since the companies look at the resumes before interviewing and thus would immediately throw away yours because you are honest and don't claim to know things you don't.

Oh believe me, I've fought both sides of the battle, and I totally understand what you mean. However, the above (while exaggerated), just smacks of an asinine company with totally unrealistic expectations that will be impossible to meet.

When I post a job, I list two sets of requirements: base and preferred. The base requirements contain the industry standard meat and potatoes:

- .NET 2.0
- Intermediate OOP
- x years of SQL Server 2000/2005
- Demonstrated experience with Web Services, XML, SOAP
- Expert-level CSS, XSLT, and Javascript
- blah blah blah

Then the "preferred", which contains more narrowed technologies that we use, but can't expect everyone in the world to have:

- WidetsNET
- GadgetsNET
- someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason

But most employers operate under the assumption that just because they use someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason, that EVERYONE uses it and should be expect to know it inside-out. It's why they can't fill their freaking positions.

To top it all off, they essentially want the ABSOLUTE BEST AND MOST SKILLED PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE for this job, yet they're only willing to pay entry-level salary for it.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: Riverhound777

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: tranceport
100k/yr isn't that much these days...

Minimum wage is closing in on 100k

I'm gonna have to chime in with that guy that's crying "middle class is dying"... But you're right, 100K isn't much these days...

I'm barely making $30k out of college... I'd love to be making 60k. 100k would be insane for me. You people are nuts.

Don't worry. They're just lying. I only make 42K

If and when you get there, you'll know what we're talking about.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Whisper
Hmm...in their defense, the company is offering $60/hr in return. I have no idea if that's at all comparable to 8 years of C# experience, but it sounds pretty nice for most any position as far as I can tell.

Besides that, those types of ads are generally all overshoots; I'm guessing it's basically designed to immediately scare off anyone who's grossly underqualified, and then go from there.

$60/hr for a person w/8 years of experience in software development (especially if this is a contract position, ad doesntt say) is not that uncommon for someone w/good skills. I'm hoping to be making close to 100K/yr by the time I'm 30.

Yeah,
it depends where you work, really. I'm making 80 stright out of school

Fixed.

Assuming you live/work in Manhattan(based on your profile), according to the cost of living calculator at CNN, that $80k in NYC is equivalent to ~$37k in my location.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Oh believe me, I've fought both sides of the battle, and I totally understand what you mean. However, the above (while exaggerated), just smacks of an asinine company with totally unrealistic expectations that will be impossible to meet.

When I post a job, I list two sets of requirements: base and preferred. The base requirements contain the industry standard meat and potatoes:

- .NET 2.0
- Intermediate OOP
- x years of SQL Server 2000/2005
- Demonstrated experience with Web Services, XML, SOAP
- Expert-level CSS, XSLT, and Javascript
- blah blah blah

Then the "preferred", which contains more narrowed technologies that we use, but can't expect everyone in the world to have:

- WidetsNET
- GadgetsNET
- someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason

But most employers operate under the assumption that just because they use someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason, that EVERYONE uses it and should be expect to know it inside-out. It's why they can't fill their freaking positions.

To top it all off, they essentially want the ABSOLUTE BEST AND MOST SKILLED PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE for this job, yet they're only willing to pay entry-level salary for it.

Which source control is that? Merant? ClearCase? CVS?

Anyway I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just suggesting that one might be the result of the other.

The 40k tactic is funny. I think companies do that knowing that indians here on visas will accept that pay and americans often won't. That's been my experience, anyway.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Oh believe me, I've fought both sides of the battle, and I totally understand what you mean. However, the above (while exaggerated), just smacks of an asinine company with totally unrealistic expectations that will be impossible to meet.

When I post a job, I list two sets of requirements: base and preferred. The base requirements contain the industry standard meat and potatoes:

- .NET 2.0
- Intermediate OOP
- x years of SQL Server 2000/2005
- Demonstrated experience with Web Services, XML, SOAP
- Expert-level CSS, XSLT, and Javascript
- blah blah blah

Then the "preferred", which contains more narrowed technologies that we use, but can't expect everyone in the world to have:

- WidetsNET
- GadgetsNET
- someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason

But most employers operate under the assumption that just because they use someweirdfunkysourcecontrolsolutionwechoseforsomestupidreason, that EVERYONE uses it and should be expect to know it inside-out. It's why they can't fill their freaking positions.

To top it all off, they essentially want the ABSOLUTE BEST AND MOST SKILLED PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE for this job, yet they're only willing to pay entry-level salary for it.

Which source control is that? Merant? ClearCase? CVS?

Anyway I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just suggesting that one might be the result of the other.

The 40k tactic is funny. I think companies do that knowing that indians here on visas will accept that pay and americans often won't. That's been my experience, anyway.

No specific source control. Just illustrating the fact that they usually demand some technology/platform that's so obscure that it will be impossible to find a fill for the job. Once when I was looking for a job, I matched everything on their requirements list except for one thing I had never even heard of. A Google search brought up nothing. I submitted my resume, but in my cover letter I specifically stated that I did not have experience in XYZ, but that I was curious as to what it was and would eagerly tackle mastering it for the position.

It turned out to be some internal tool they wrote themselves for expense report tracking.

Yep.

 

[SagaLore]

I invented C#!

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

....

I think there's a really good chance that this is one of those honey pot listings. A recruiting company will just put up fake postings in order to get people's resumes. They then select people for jobs but never post the real listings online. The fact the posting has been around for years is a good indication of this.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: jbourne77
There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

....

I think there's a really good chance that this is one of those honey pot listings. A recruiting company will just put up fake postings in order to get people's resumes. They then select people for jobs but never post the real listings online. The fact the posting has been around for years is a good indication of this.

What is the purpose of this? Why not just post the actual job?

 

[trmiv]

I got a call from a recruiter for Google once when I was looking for a new job (I was currently working at the time). The guy told me the position was 'Desktop Support." He then listed the requirements:

5+ years of desktop support experiece
5+ years of Windows 2000/XP support
5+ years of Office Support
3+ years of Linux/Unix experience
3+ years of Visual Basic experience
3+ years of Java experiece
Willing to work long hours.

First I don't get why a desktop support person would need to know Java or VB, but who knows.

But what got me was when I asked the rate. $19/hour!! Keep in mind this was for Mountain View, CA. I told him thanks but no thanks.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: trmiv
I got a call from a recruiter for Google once when I was looking for a new job (I was currently working at the time). The guy told me the position was 'Desktop Support." He then listed the requirements:

5+ years of desktop support experiece
5+ years of Windows 2000/XP support
5+ years of Office Support
3+ years of Linux/Unix experience
3+ years of Visual Basic experience
3+ years of Java experiece
Willing to work long hours.

First I don't get why a desktop support person would need to know Java or VB, but who knows.

But what got me was when I asked the rate. $19/hour!! Keep in mind this was for Mountain View, CA. I told him thanks but no thanks.

Sometimes support is expected to write scripts for the customer and/or the support system (queries, etc).

Still, $19/hr for Mountain View might barely cover expenses.

 

[Descartes]

$60/hr is on the lower end for someone that should be fairly talented with that much experience. I'd say it's an average-good rate.

FWIW, I've been working with C# since 2000. I wouldn't exactly call that worthwhile experience, but I was involved with it.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: jbourne77
There are a couple companies in town that have had the same positions available for YEARS. Some employers are absolute greedy idiots:

....

I think there's a really good chance that this is one of those honey pot listings. A recruiting company will just put up fake postings in order to get people's resumes. They then select people for jobs but never post the real listings online. The fact the posting has been around for years is a good indication of this.

What is the purpose of this? Why not just post the actual job?

Unscrupulous recruiters will often do this in order to elicit a lot of resumes. They then market this information to potential clients as though to suggest they have these people on the bench. They're simply trying to increase their network so that they can find the proper people when the time comes. It's a poor practice, and quality companies don't do this.

I've actually been called by companies where friends work due to the fact that other firms were marketing my resume. I've had to sue a company in the past for doing this as they had marketed me as being a part of their firm and compromised my standing with some clients. I had no involvement with that firm.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: tranceport
100k/yr isn't that much these days...

Minimum wage is closing in on 100k

I'm gonna have to chime in with that guy that's crying "middle class is dying"... But you're right, 100K isn't much these days...

what the hell? I'm making 50k out of college and would love to someday get up to 100k. where hte fvck do you live?

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: trmiv
I got a call from a recruiter for Google once when I was looking for a new job (I was currently working at the time). The guy told me the position was 'Desktop Support." He then listed the requirements:

5+ years of desktop support experiece
5+ years of Windows 2000/XP support
5+ years of Office Support
3+ years of Linux/Unix experience
3+ years of Visual Basic experience
3+ years of Java experiece
Willing to work long hours.

First I don't get why a desktop support person would need to know Java or VB, but who knows.

But what got me was when I asked the rate. $19/hour!! Keep in mind this was for Mountain View, CA. I told him thanks but no thanks.

Sometimes support is expected to write scripts for the customer and/or the support system (queries, etc).

Still, $19/hr for Mountain View might barely cover expenses.

Unless you're single.. don't have debt.. live with 10 other people....
and depending on when this was... it could have been a pretty insulting offer, even if the company you work for is google.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: Whisper
Hmm...in their defense, the company is offering $60/hr in return. I have no idea if that's at all comparable to 8 years of C# experience, but it sounds pretty nice for most any position as far as I can tell.

Besides that, those types of ads are generally all overshoots; I'm guessing it's basically designed to immediately scare off anyone who's grossly underqualified, and then go from there.

The op's point was that the experience requirements were ridiculous since Microsoft only released C# in 2002 hence making it impossible for anyone to have 8 years of experience with C#.

A lot of people were working with early releases long before the official release in 2002. That's a rarity though.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: oogabooga

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: trmiv
I got a call from a recruiter for Google once when I was looking for a new job (I was currently working at the time). The guy told me the position was 'Desktop Support." He then listed the requirements:

5+ years of desktop support experiece
5+ years of Windows 2000/XP support
5+ years of Office Support
3+ years of Linux/Unix experience
3+ years of Visual Basic experience
3+ years of Java experiece
Willing to work long hours.

First I don't get why a desktop support person would need to know Java or VB, but who knows.

But what got me was when I asked the rate. $19/hour!! Keep in mind this was for Mountain View, CA. I told him thanks but no thanks.

Sometimes support is expected to write scripts for the customer and/or the support system (queries, etc).

Still, $19/hr for Mountain View might barely cover expenses.

Unless you're single.. don't have debt.. live with 10 other people....
and depending on when this was... it could have been a pretty insulting offer, even if the company you work for is google.

This was roughly a year ago. I could see $19/hr if it was some entry level position with low requirements, but 5+ years experience, plus the Linux/Unix, plus the programming stuff make it far from entry level for desktop support.

 

[hanoverphist]

sometimes companies have higher sights than they really should. I was offered a position to be the Lake Havasu telemmetry Integrator. fancy way to say scada guru really. the amount of systems and reqs they put on it rendered the pay (45k a year) ridiculous. not to mention they expanded the realm of the position from just their water/ wastewater to include all their integrated systems across the town. with so many different softwares and hardware involved, they will be hard pressed to find someone that knows enough about all of them to be effective. this happens after a few management meetings and reviews by the upper echelon in a corporation, not too uncommon. jobs like these stay posted for a while, then will get re-evaluated and chopped down a bit. of course, their salary will get tanked a bit in the process. they dont realize that anyone that knows that much wont work that cheap, no matter how good spring break is there.