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silverpig

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Normally I would rent movies instead of going to the theatre to see a lot of "meh" movies, but now I don't even rent them because of this.

I used to gladly go to the theatre and pay $5 for a movie, or $2.50 to rent one. Now it's $15 to go see a movie after sitting through 25 minutes of commercials and $7 to rent a DVD with unskippable commercials at the beginning.

$15? Where?

I paid $14.50 here for a movie last year I think. A LOT of people were bitching so they've lowered the prices down and people are starting to go again I think... I wouldn't know as I haven't been to one in a while.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.
:thumbsup:
if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....
Their product IS fairly priced. Their sales numbers prove it.

Movie prices have tripled in 10 years (at least here).

Hi, can you say inflation?
What, do you expect prices to remain the same over the course of ten years?

It is amazing what people will say to justify their actions.

You need to learn what inflation is.

What actions? I don't download movies. You are assuming that I do just because I don't want to pay a ridiculous amount to watch commercials.

Every once in a while I'll see a movie on TV or maybe at the cheap theatre ($5), but that's it. The only movies I have on my hard drive I ripped from xmas present DVDs.
 

Taejin

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Taejin
I don't understand what the big deal with LokiTorrent getting shut down is..

There are plenty of other BT sites overseas that are out of the reach of the MPAA, and actions like this by the MPAA only serve to fuel their growth.

*shrug* It's always been like this, from Napster to Kazaa, from "cheap" mp3 services to allofmp3.com. They're all fucked, and howevermuch the American organizations froth at the mouth, they won't be able to get to them all.

You are fully aware, there is such thing as international law right?

You are fully aware, that not all countries comply to said "international" law, right?

EDIT: go to piratebay.org and read their replies to American companies.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Babbles
I don't know what the average inflation rate for the past ten years, but guess what? Some things are going to inflate in price more than others. When you have factors like people stealing their property, the prices are probably going to inflate moreso than products that do not experience major scale theft.
Right, because we all know P2P programs existed and became mainstream 10 years ago. :roll:
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.
:thumbsup:
if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....
Their product IS fairly priced. Their sales numbers prove it.

Movie prices have tripled in 10 years (at least here).

Hi, can you say inflation?
What, do you expect prices to remain the same over the course of ten years?

It is amazing what people will say to justify their actions.

You need to learn what inflation is.

What actions? I don't download movies. You are assuming that I do just because I don't want to pay a ridiculous amount to watch commercials.

Every once in a while I'll see a movie on TV or maybe at the cheap theatre ($5), but that's it. The only movies I have on my hard drive I ripped from xmas present DVDs.


Hmm, inflation would the general increase in the price of goods. Movie tickets increasing in price over a period of time could be explained due to inflation.

Twit.
 

SunnyD

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IMHO - does the punishment fit the crime? Hardly. I'm okay with shutting down the site. I'm okay with the fine.

But the 1337 h4x0rz tactic of that webpage is over the top. That is basically the same thing as telling a petty-larconist their sentence is Jail + Civil Fines + walking around branded for life in the forehead with the slogan, "I am a criminal.". Cruel and unusual.

The MPAA can suck their own schlong, if they can even find it.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
IMHO - does the punishment fit the crime? Hardly. I'm okay with shutting down the site. I'm okay with the fine.

But the 1337 h4x0rz tactic of that webpage is over the top. That is basically the same thing as telling a petty-larconist their sentence is Jail + Civil Fines + walking around branded for life in the forehead with the slogan, "I am a criminal.". Cruel and unusual.

The MPAA can suck their own schlong, if they can even find it.

Cruel and unusual. ;)
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
IMHO - does the punishment fit the crime? Hardly. I'm okay with shutting down the site. I'm okay with the fine.

Well considering the massive scale on which they were facilitating piracy, I think $1 million is a pretty small fine. A small fine wouldn't have much of a deterrent effect.

But the 1337 h4x0rz tactic of that webpage is over the top. That is basically the same thing as telling a petty-larconist their sentence is Jail + Civil Fines + walking around branded for life in the forehead with the slogan, "I am a criminal.". Cruel and unusual.

How is it at all similar to that? It doesn't say anything about who ran the site. If the petty larcenist in your analogy is supposed to be the website itself... you can't cruelly and unusually publish an object.

The MPAA can suck their own schlong, if they can even find it.

I'm glad we can be mature about it.
 

lapierrem

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1,000,000? for what? unless the guy had files on his personal server, torrents are not the file, and that's all he hosted. And he asked that people respect copyright laws, since obviously he doesn't have the capability to do it. What he shoulda done was take the money he didn't spend on the trial, move to sweden and put it back up :) And tell the MPAA where to put it, like the other swedish torrent place we all know
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

It's not a morality thing, it is a theft of intellectual property thing.

I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.
 

nageov3t

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*wonders how he's going to pay for it*

at least this explains why my website has been getting so many hits lately.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.

It absolutely is.

I hate these threads, because there's always a bunch of people spouting off about things they have no clue about. Why don't you all take some of the time you would have spent downloading movies and educate yourselves about copyrights? This is THE place to start. He also has an intro to copyright with links to other resources.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.

It absolutely is.

Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: lapierrem
1,000,000? for what? unless the guy had files on his personal server, torrents are not the file, and that's all he hosted. And he asked that people respect copyright laws, since obviously he doesn't have the capability to do it. What he shoulda done was take the money he didn't spend on the trial, move to sweden and put it back up :) And tell the MPAA where to put it, like the other swedish torrent place we all know

if he wanted people to respect copyright laws he should have taken down all the .torrent files that link to copyrighted material
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.

It absolutely is.

Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:

Where did you get the idea that this thread has anything to do with sharing the physical media with your friends? I assumed when you said sharing you meant via P2P networks. Apparantly I was wrong, but in my defense, your post makes absolutely no sense the way you intended it in this context.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:
no. once you purchase a dvd the movie industry has no say how you use that dvd. you can sell it, let people borrow it, etc. but that is different than ripping a copy and sending everyone you know (and a whole bunch of people you don't) a copy, while keeping the original yourself.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.

It absolutely is.

Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:

Sharing a DVD with your friend is one thing and sharing a movie with a large group of complete strangers is another. I'm sure both the courts and the MPAA are aware of this difference.

It seems like you're the one with the twisted sense of entitlement. What gives you the right to distribute a movie to dozens of other people whom you've never even met before?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:
no. once you purchase a dvd the movie industry has no say how you use that dvd. you can sell it, let people borrow it, etc. but that is different than ripping a copy and sending everyone you know (and a whole bunch of people you don't) a copy, while keeping the original yourself.

I don't see how it's different. The media is not their intellectual property, the content is. Both ways I am sharing the content.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Babbles

Hmm, inflation would the general increase in the price of goods. Movie tickets increasing in price over a period of time could be explained due to inflation.

Twit.

Inflation relates to the general prices of a large number of goods. One commodity costing drastically more does not occur due to inflation.

When all the tequila cacti died in Mexico and caused tequila prices to skyrocket a while ago, that was because of a single certain circumstance, and had nothing to do with inflation. Movie ticket prices went up because partly of rising costs (actors demanding more and more money, reliance of heavy CG effects which cost money, the cost of building and running the newer style "super" theatres...). It had next to nothing to do with inflation.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:
no. once you purchase a dvd the movie industry has no say how you use that dvd. you can sell it, let people borrow it, etc. but that is different than ripping a copy and sending everyone you know (and a whole bunch of people you don't) a copy, while keeping the original yourself.

I don't see how it's different. The media is not their intellectual property, the content is. Both ways I am sharing the content.

I suggest you read the links I posted a few posts up. It'll help you avoid looking like an idiot in the future (at least due to your lack of knowledge of copyrights, beyond that you're on your own). I also suggest you think really hard about the definitions of "copy" and "right" and how that may relate to the situation ElFenix described.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't see how me sharing a movie denies a studio their intellectual property. If I was making money burning DVD's, maybe, but for personal use, it's none of their business who I share what with.

It absolutely is.

Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:

Sharing a DVD with your friend is one thing and sharing a movie with a large group of complete strangers is another. I'm sure both the courts and the MPAA are aware of this difference.

It seems like you're the one with the twisted sense of entitlement. What gives you the right to distribute a movie to dozens of other people whom you've never even met before?

How can a librarian lend out a DVD to complete strangers. Bad, bad man ;)
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: SuperTool

I don't see how it's different. The media is not their intellectual property, the content is. Both ways I am sharing the content.

no, in one you're sharing a single copy, and in the other you're making more copies. since you don't hold the right to make copies, you can do the first, but you can't do the second.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
How can a librarian lend out a DVD to complete strangers. Bad, bad man ;)

Because the library isn't copying it. It's like talking to a brick wall...
 

OverVolt

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I don't mind that they fined them for this, but I can't stand the fact that it makes it so that we can't legaly make copies for the fair use act anymore. anyone with children can tell you it's cheaper to replace a $1 copy of a DVD/VHS movie than it is to replace the $20+ printed media.
This I completely agree with, and with Blu-Ray/HD-DVD they will be much more careful to protect the encryption than they were with DVD. So you probably won't even be able to "illegally" (but ethically) back them up like you can with DVD.

If it can be decrypted AT ALL - i.e. for playback, it can be copied.

sh!t, for a real copy, you don't even have to decrypt it.
Umm its easy, buy a video capture card, and an audio male/male wire, and a male/male S-video cable. Record and profit. No de-crypting required.

 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: OverVolt
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I don't mind that they fined them for this, but I can't stand the fact that it makes it so that we can't legaly make copies for the fair use act anymore. anyone with children can tell you it's cheaper to replace a $1 copy of a DVD/VHS movie than it is to replace the $20+ printed media.
This I completely agree with, and with Blu-Ray/HD-DVD they will be much more careful to protect the encryption than they were with DVD. So you probably won't even be able to "illegally" (but ethically) back them up like you can with DVD.

If it can be decrypted AT ALL - i.e. for playback, it can be copied.

sh!t, for a real copy, you don't even have to decrypt it.
Umm its easy, buy a video capture card, and an audio male/male wire, and a male/male S-video cable. Record and profit. No de-crypting required.

Except you lose video quality and no 5.1 audio.