Logitech Z-5500 vs Klipsch Promedia Ultra's

Sniper82

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Theres roughly $60 or so price difference on newegg. Curious is there a huge difference sound quality wise? I enjoyed my Z-560's but I want something that will blow them away if possible.

They will be hooked to a Audigy 2 ZS. I do like the looks of the Logitechs much better and also like the control pod. The one for the Ultras looks generic. Does anyone know of a review site that has a review of them both?
 

Sniper82

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Originally posted by: 7earitup
I have heard alot of good things about the lower priced Z-5300E speakers.

Those look nice but I don't think they would be much of a upgrade from my Z-560's. Only difference I see is the center speaker. The specs look about the same. Since the Ultra's are higher I am assuming they are better. But how much?
 

fstime

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Im an audiophile.


For one, Logitech speakers suck, they may be good for people who arnt audiophiles but they suck, especially the 5300.

Logitech will get you:

Boomy bass

No tweeters

No where near klipch's sound quality.

A whole bunch of features like decoders.



Klipsch makes very high quality speakers for home theatres, not BOSE garbage or stuff at circuit city etc...

You dont get the fancy remotes and decoders, you get good sound.

TIGHT dual 8'' subwoofer which CANNOT be matched right now.

Good sound quality.



Choice is easy.

Klipsch.

The Gigaworks and klipsch can be compared, logitech isnt even in the same league.

The gigaworks offer slightly better sats but the bass is no where near Klipsh's.
 

Sniper82

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Can't do $400+ for the gigaworks. It will be another month or so before I upgrade. But even if I went with the Logitech Z5500 would they be a good upgrade from the Z560's?

I may get the Klipsch anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: BouZouki
Im an audiophile.


For one, Logitech speakers suck, they may be good for people who arnt audiophiles but they suck, especially the 5300.

Logitech will get you:

Boomy bass

No tweeters

No where near klipch's sound quality.

A whole bunch of features like decoders.



Klipsch makes very high quality speakers for home theatres, not BOSE garbage or stuff at circuit city etc...

You dont get the fancy remotes and decoders, you get good sound.

TIGHT dual 8'' subwoofer which CANNOT be matched right now.

Good sound quality.



Choice is easy.

Klipsch.

The Gigaworks and klipsch can be compared, logitech isnt even in the same league.

The gigaworks offer slightly better sats but the bass is no where near Klipsh's.

^ Quoted for truth.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Can't do $400+ for the gigaworks. It will be another month or so before I upgrade. But even if I went with the Logitech Z5500 would they be a good upgrade from the Z560's?

I may get the Klipsch anyway.

Excellent decision.
 

Ken90630

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Soundwise, no comparison. The Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1s are not only superior, but arguably the finest computer speakers you can buy.

What separates Klipsches from most other computer speakers on the market is their unmatched frequency response. FR is the single most determinative factor in how a speaker sounds, as it tells you what frequencies of the audio spectrum will actually be reproduced -- at a sound level you can actually hear -- by the speakers.

Klipsch is one of the few mfgrs that actually tells you --accurately -- what their speakers' frequency responses are. If you look on their site, you will see the ProMedia Ultra 5.1s reproduce frequencies between 25Hz and 20KHz, plus or minus 5 dB. That "plus or minus" spec is crucial -- what most other computer speakers do is quote a frequency response, but they intentionally leave out the plus/minus qualifier. They do this on purpose because although their speakers may reproduce, say, frequencies down to 25Hz or 30Hz or whatever, the decibel level rolls off dramatically at a much higher frequency (say, 50 or 60Hz, typically). So what happens is that yeah, a measurement can be taken showing that the speaker reproduces frequencies down to 25Hz or whatever, but the frequencies below a certain point (50 or 60Hz or whatever) are so weak that no person can hear them. Thus, it's useless to have a speaker system that on paper can reproduce frequencies down to 25Hz if everything below, say, 50Hz or whatever is inaudible. And the same rationale applies to the high frequencies.

Klipsch publishes their FR specs with the plus/minus qualifiers. On the ProMedia Ultra 5.1s, it's plus/minus 5 dB. Thus, a worst case scenario is that these speakers will reproduce all frequencies from 25Hz to 20KHz and the most the sound level will drop off at those extremes is 5dB. I'll bet you any amount of money that if you could even get Logitech to tell you how much thier sound levels drop off at the ends of the audio spectrum, they'll be down far more than 5dB. If they weren't, Logitech would eagerly publish those specs. ;) They get away with not doing it because the masses (particularly gamers) don't know much about audio or how to read a frequency response spec.

Here, incidentally, is a link to Logitech's page showing the Z-5500s. Scroll down to the specs section and look at the frequency response spec. As I explained, there is no plus/minus qualifier with the FR spec. As such, the numbers are utterly meaningless.

BTW, there is very little -- and I mean VERY little -- musical content below 30 or 40Hz. Only very low-octave bass notes go that low, and those are typically found only in orchestral music or the like. If a speaker system will reproduce frequencies down to 40 or 30Hz, accurately, that's good enough for all but the most golden-eared listener listening to the most demanding music there is. And with high frequencies, typically only small children (and dogs) can hear frequencies out to 20KHz. Most adults can only hear frequencies out to 15 KHz or so, max, so anything beyond that is moot.

Having said all this, there are other factors in how speakers sound. Second to FR in importance is THD, or total harmonic distortion. Klipsch speakers are renowned for having extremely low THD ratings on their high-end speakers. The same can't be said for Logitech.

Those Logitech Z-5500s also use only one driver in their satellites, which means one driver to handle the midrange and high frequencies. This is nearly always inferior to a 2-driver set-up (like the Klipsch ProMedias use), as an audio compromise must be made when one driver has to handle both mid- and high-frequency signals. Klipsch's Micro-Tractix horn used for the high frequencies (similar in function to a traditional "tweeter") is renowned for its clarity and accuracy (although it does suffer a bit in terms of off-axis performance, like if you're far off to one side of the speakers rather than in front of them). And their midrange drivers are known for their smooth crossover from the subwoofer.

Also, I don't have time link to them right now, but Klipsch subwoofers are pretty much unmatched as well. Tight, clean, non-muddy, powerful bass is what you will get with a Klipsch ProMedia system. Boomy, muddy bass is what you usually get from other computer speaker subwoofers (although I won't say that about the Z-5500s since I haven't listened to them myself or seen any specific, credible reviews on them).

Gotta get back to work here, but there's a primer on some things to consider. I doubt if the Logitechs would sound terribly bad or anything, but from strictly an audio-reproduction quality standpoint, the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1s should outperform the Logitechs by quite a bit IMHO. For "computer speakers," my opinion is that they are about as good as it gets, although some Gigaworks [made by Cambridge Sound Works] could arguably give them a run for their money. But that'd be best left to another thread :laugh:.

Hope you find this helpful. :)

Ken

Edited to fix a typo.
 

CVSiN

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5500s absolutly blow the crap outa the promedias now...
pricewise soundwise and decoder wise..

Ive had both and will be keeping my current 5500 set..
DTS ES is sweet.... the bigger sub makes movies hit hard..
and the highs are great.
 

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Hmm I don't really wanna start another thread over this, but can someone tell me if the satelite speakers for the 5500 are the same as the z-680s?

I personally own the z-680 and they sound pretty good, I do admit that when they're on and not playing anything the white noise can really get to me but you can just turn your speakers off for that so thats no big deal :p.

If you are going to purchase either of these speakers the best thing that you could possibly do is to somehow hear them in action first, sound is the hardest thing for the human brain to remember so it would be better to listen to them side by side if possible, maybe in a computer store or something. The kplisch may have the tweeters to reproduce that nice high frequency, but during the time I bought my 680s all the reviews I read saidthat the mid range on the kplisch wasn't as good as that of the 680s, but then again I may have read some bad review or something. But if you aren't sure I would say that kplisch is a more trusted brand when it comes to audio, but 90% of the time you won't even notice the audio difference unless your an audiophile. The point when you will actually notice the difference is if you own a nice ATC or Totem set :D, then again if I owned any of these systems I might as well put a down payment on a house.

 

fstime

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the Z-5500 looks like a z-680 with cromed out sats and a 10 inch sub in the 8 inch sub box?

That sure cant be good.


EDIT: CVSiN make sure you run the Promedias with Stereo surround if you have the Audigy 2 ZS.

CMSS totally sucks balls, its terrible.

It really wakes up the Ultras. just make sure to turn the sub down to -3 because your doubling its output.
 

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Another vote for the promedias. between Ken and Bouzouki there really isnt much to say. When i was building my new system (which is now a few years old and considered an "entry level" system nowadays : ( ), i wanted to make sure i had some killer speakers, as its important to me, being a musician and doing some small time recording on the side.

While i havent heard the logitechs, I simply cant imagine a more full sound than the klipsch's. Spend the little bit of extra $, and get something you definitely won't regret.
 

amol

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If only the ProMedias had the inputs and decoders of the Z-5500s

Or if the Z-5500s had the quality of the ProMedias
 

Ken90630

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If only the ProMedias had the inputs and decoders of the Z-5500s
Valid point. I was, of course, speaking only to pure audio reproduction in my earlier post (and mainly from a musical, not gaming or multimedia, perspective). And reading the original post again, I should not have assumed that strict musical reproduction was what he was most interested in. He didn't come out and say that, so my bad. :eek:

If you're the type of person who wants/needs the decoding capabilities of the Z-5500s, by all means that should obviously be a consideration.

As I've said a zillion times, there's often no 100% right or wrong answer to these kinds of questions. Personal needs/usage/priorities are usually the determining factors (and should be). :)
 

amol

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Originally posted by: Ken90630
If only the ProMedias had the inputs and decoders of the Z-5500s
Valid point. I was, of course, speaking only to pure audio reproduction in my earlier post (and mainly from a musical, not gaming or multimedia, perspective). And reading the original post again, I should not have assumed that strict musical reproduction was what he was most interested in. He didn't come out and say that, so my bad. :eek:

If you're the type of person who wants/needs the decoding capabilities of the Z-5500s, by all means that should obviously be a consideration.

As I've said a zillion times, there's often no 100% right or wrong answer to these kinds of questions. Personal needs/usage/priorities are usually the determining factors (and should be). :)

I would need it, since I need inputs for my computer, HDTV tuner, and PS2
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: Chapbass
Another vote for the promedias. between Ken and Bouzouki there really isnt much to say. When i was building my new system (which is now a few years old and considered an "entry level" system nowadays : ( ), i wanted to make sure i had some killer speakers, as its important to me, being a musician and doing some small time recording on the side.

While i havent heard the logitechs, I simply cant imagine a more full sound than the klipsch's. Spend the little bit of extra $, and get something you definitely won't regret.

wait a sec you openly admit you havent heard the 5500s and then say they cant be as good as the klipsch's?
Ive had both and let me tell ya the new 5500s kick major ass in the high mid and low range as well as having DTS onboard which makes them sound 500% better in movie mode if your movie and player support it...

they have the same highs the klipschs have but have a better sub for when you want that extra thump (games and movies)
its not a matter of the money... its the matter of someone blindly trusting a brand name just becasue its a name...
i personally will never go back to klipsh again..

optical, coax, and direct inputs as well as an MP3 player direct input as well as advanced decoding and reproduction not to mention a lower price and superior sound..
whats there to think about...

Im running my Xbox... my PC and my DVD into my 5500s all sound amazing...



 

fstime

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CVSiN, just to let you know.

The reason Klipsch doesnt include decoders and remotes and all these things is because all they care about is the sound.

I'd personaly get the Klipsch with the Creative decoder put thats just my opinion.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: BouZouki
CVSiN, just to let you know.

The reason Klipsch doesnt include decoders and remotes and all these things is because all they care about is the sound.

I'd personaly get the Klipsch with the Creative decoder put thats just my opinion.

well I have the creative Audigy Platinum Decoder/card and the one in the logitechs is 100% better..

the sound is not better on the Klipsch's to my ear not in a small apartment...

they sound as good as my friends 1500 dollar Sony/Infinity setup for movies and Music..

but hey if you prefer to blindly go on labels alone. be my guest... there are plently of great reviews on the 5500s
 

fstime

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Your trying to tell me those cheapo logitech decoders sound better than the Creative external decoder?

Somthing sure sounds wrong there.


Theres a differance between the decoders in your sound card and external ones.

have you tried Stereo surrond yet/
 

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Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Theres roughly $60 or so price difference on newegg. Curious is there a huge difference sound quality wise? I enjoyed my Z-560's but I want something that will blow them away if possible.

They will be hooked to a Audigy 2 ZS. I do like the looks of the Logitechs much better and also like the control pod. The one for the Ultras looks generic. Does anyone know of a review site that has a review of them both?

Go to Best Buy and test them out yourself. Reading what people think is not a good way to buy speakers. You should listen to both before making a choice.
 

Sniper82

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Originally posted by: dragonballgtz
Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Theres roughly $60 or so price difference on newegg. Curious is there a huge difference sound quality wise? I enjoyed my Z-560's but I want something that will blow them away if possible.

They will be hooked to a Audigy 2 ZS. I do like the looks of the Logitechs much better and also like the control pod. The one for the Ultras looks generic. Does anyone know of a review site that has a review of them both?

Go to Best Buy and test them out yourself. Reading what people think is not a good way to buy speakers. You should listen to both before making a choice.


no best buy around. Just office depot and they only offer cheap 2.1 and 4.1 systems. I will have to buy online.
 

Ken90630

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Hi, CVSin,

Lemme preface this by saying I'd prefer to not start another pointless speaker argument/flame war here. So far, this thread is staying reasonably civil -- let's be different from some of the other guys on this site and keep it that way. We can disagree a little and maybe even learn some things from each other. :)

wait a sec you openly admit you havent heard the 5500s and then say they cant be as good as the klipsch's?
I've re-read Chapbass' post twice, but I don't see where he said "they can't be as good as the Klipsch's." I think you're misquoting him.

Ive had both and let me tell ya the new 5500s kick major ass in the high mid and low range
they have the same highs the klipschs have but have a better sub for when you want that extra thump (games and movies)
No offense, but these are all individual, subjective opinions on your part, with no scientific measurements to support them. "Kicking major ass" to your ears does not equate to a credibly measured frequency response curve or THD spec measured with accurate test equipment, in a lab, by an audio expert. I also seriously doubt if the Z-5500s have "the same highs the Klipsches have but have a better sub" either -- if you can show me a credible test report -- and not just some exclusively subjective-only review by a non-audio expert on some amateurish computer Web site -- I'll be happy to recognize the Z-5500s as being comparable to the ProMedias. Until then, I simply see no evidence to back up your opinions, and the Z-5500s' key specs are clearly inferior to the Klipschs' when it comes to pure audio reproduction. Signal processing, decoding and more inputs are separate factors in the overall scheme of things, and may absolutely be valuable to certain users, but they do not change the Z-5500s' intrinsic inability to produce an accurate frequency response and do so with low THD (as the Klipschs do). The fact that your ears don't hear the difference doesn't mean there is not a difference. (And I would say the same thing about my ears.)

Further, as I explained [in excruciating detail :laugh: ] in my earlier post, Logitech intentionally refuses to disclose the true frequency response of the Z-5500s. Why do you think that is?

its not a matter of the money... its the matter of someone blindly trusting a brand name just becasue its a name...
Hmmm ... you know, I see this same accusation made from time to time, and I have to say I don't see a lot of blind loyalty among audiophiles. And I've been one for about 25 years. Most truly knowledgeable audiophiles scrutinize equipment and its performance pretty closely, and they often criticize flawed products made by otherwise good companies. Generally speaking, I think they're more mature and sophisticated than computer hardware geeks who are "fanboys" of certain brands (how many silly Intel vs. AMD and ATI vs. nVidia flame wars have we all seen?).

I personally never "trust a brand name just because it's a brand name." I don't care who makes the product -- it's either good or it isn't, and I can't think of any product I've ever bought out of blind loyalty. Consistently high quality over decades (mainly in the home stereo speaker market) has earned Klipsch a well-deserved reputation (not to mention a lot of awards), and their quality products inspire appreciation and therefore some loyalty, but I certainly wouldn't call it blind loyalty. My personal opinion is that the Klipsch ProMedia computer speakers are likely to be better than the Logitech Z-5500s -- at pure audio reproduction accuracy, and exclusive of signal processing. That's all. But I'd endorse the Logitechs over the Klipsches in a heartbeat if I thought they were genuinely better speakers. :cool:

This topic is a bit of an apples vs. oranges thing though, as you're making valid points about the Z-5500s' signal processing abilities and additional inputs that the Klipsches don't have. To you, and other users as well, those things may result in "better sound," but in areas that are different than traditional measurements of sound quality (FR, THD, imaging, etc.). It is an indisputable fact that the Logitechs reproduce the audio waverform in a way that is inferior to the Klipsches; however, if that inferiority is not audible to you, and you benefit from the Logitechs' DTS signal processing capabilities and additional inputs, then the Z-5500s are absolutely the better choice for you. :) IMHO, however, it does not mean they "absolutely blow the crap outa the promedias now..." as you previously stated. Certainly not at music reproduction, anyway.

Just my two cents. Disagreements aside, interesting topic. :)
 

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This topic has been beaten to death before. Audio quality is subjective. A certain speaker may sound better depending on the material being listened to. 'Key Specs' doesn't mean anything unless independently verified by non-biased source. The main reasoning behind the claim that Klipsch 'sounds better' is because the satellites are a two-way design (Tweeter and mid-bass drivers ) vs the single driver of the Logitech. Each driver is optimized for its frequency range so therefore it may sound better. The Klipsch therefore may have a better high end response compared to the Logitech. The Klipsch name also has some pull in the 'perception department' in which is better. But there are things that can make a two-way speaker sound ordinary. Less than optimized cross-overs, phase differences between the drivers, etc..In comparison, a good single driver (full-range) doesn't need a complicated cross-over network (maybe a notch-filter here and there). The Logitech's uses Tang-band drivers, which is known for exceptional performance for the price. I think there was a link posted before where this guy made a speaker from Tang-Band drivers, which showed almost ruler flat response all the way to the higher-ned of the frequency spectrum. Tweeters were definitely NOT needed. I have also listened to both speakers in question here side by side and I can say that neither has an edge in audio quality. The Logitech reached deeper in the bass department; the Klipsch may have a slight edge in accuracy (its sounds slightly 'faster'). Buy what surprised me was how good the mid-range and the high end of the Logitech satellites were. Its not lacking in high frequency clarity and I would say it has a better midrange than the Klipsch. Both have a nice, smooth sound. But in terms of features, the Logitech has a LOT more for the money. Both brands have horror stories about problems. From what I've noticed. Klipsch seems to have the better support record.
 

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If you find a deal you may be able to get the Klipsch from Dell for cheaper than the Logitechs. I got mine for $230 and am not in the least bit disappointed.