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[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: everman
I couldn't care less about the hardware, why do people like the OP STILL think that hardware is even important?

It's about the games stupid! Wii brings to the table something new and interesting. If the games are fun then people will buy it. Nobody cares if you use blue ray, green ray, death ray, or sting ray. I want something that's fun and different, with great gameplay.

LOL!

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
how many final fantasy's are there?

The first 6 were on nintendo.
11 is on just about every console and PC.
7-12 are for playstations.
crystal chronicles and countless remakes for gamecube and gameboy, tactics for gameboy.

How many Mario's are there? How many bastard children of Mario? Mario golf, Mario Tennis, Mario party, Mario PIITB??

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: randay
How can you say that theres nothing revolutionary about it? When you just mentioned the "fantastic new processor", and BR. The monster hardware will make way for previously untouchable game mechanics and gameplay, but like how they did with the ps2 and ps1. Graphics accounts for a great deal of a games overall experience, processing power and extra huge storage for audio and video content will definately be usefull for developers.

I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.

Honestly, I didn't see much difference in gameplay from the PS1 generation to the PS2 gen. The XBox had the Live service which Sony is still trying to match. The biggest change in gameplay is going to be on the Wii this generation. We may see some cool stuff with Sony's motion detecting controller, but I'm guessing Nintendo will lead the innovation in this arena with Sony simply trying to duplicate/copy what Nintendo is doing.

 

[mb]

Take that!

 

[TraumaRN]

Played Wii, took pictures of Wii.

Played Gamecube, owned a gamecube for a year

Wii != Gamecube

Wii is ten times better than Gamecube. The graphics might be similar on this first round of games but thats it. Everything else is different, amazing, fun. I mean where else can you use a video game controller like a baseball bat and swing it like a freakin retard much to the amusement of everyone around you. Hell I'd buy the Wii just to play it drunk with a bunch of friends.

Just the thought of imagining playing Wii Baseball or Wii Tennis with 4 drunk off their ass people is enough to make me smile

Link to thread where I got to play Wii at Nintendo Fusion Tour

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: randay
Sony's PS3 has a revolutionary new architecture to its processor. Even IBM is using a similiar architecture in thier new server CPUs.

There is nothing revolutionary about the cell and little new to top it. Of course IBM is using the powerPC core for their servers...they designed it as a decent general purpose CPU. Sony came along decades after the original instruction set was laid out and requested a CPU for their new console. They threw on a handful of co-processors (also something that has existed in various forms since the 80's) and called it a day. It's going to be a good, solid CPU, and if programmers learn to write to the co-proc's strengths it might be really fast.

Good, sure. Revolutionary? Not even close.

You're right, but you can't expect me to be able to hold back the fanboy 100% of the time!

 

[mflacy]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BD2003
But if anyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee, its you. The PS3 is the same brand of fun from 10 years ago. There's nothing really revolutionary about it, just shinier graphics. The Wii is the one thats offering something new, even if it doesn't look as nice. Besides, it's not like sony isn't going to be on their 5th GT, 4th Metal Gear, 13th Final Fantasy, 4th Devil May Cry etc....sony is just as guilty of sequelitis.

I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.

You want new PS3 games like Metal Gear 4, Gran Turismo 5, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis 3, Hot Shots Golf 5, Virtua Fighter 5, Devil May Cry 4, Ridge Racer 7, Tony Hawk 8, Final Fantasy XIII, or Call of Duty 3?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Link to thread where I played Wii at Nintendo Fusion Tour

Played Wii, took pictures of Wii.

Played Gamecube, owned a gamecube for a year

Wii != Gamecube

Wii is ten times better than Gamecube. The graphics might be similar on this first round of games but thats it. Everything else is different, amazing, fun. I mean where else can you use a video game controller like a baseball bat and swing it like a freakin retard much to the amusement of everyone around you. Hell I'd buy the Wii just to play it drunk with a bunch of friends.

Just the thought of imagining playing Wii Baseball or Wii Tennis with 4 drunk off their ass people is enough to make me smile

This is the key. Fun. Fvck the PS3. More of the same rehashed slash/shoot/swear/war games with higher resolution graphics and a pointless 11ty bn GB white Elephant. Big fat hairy deal. Games are fun, the Wii is fun.

Case study: PSP vs DS.

PSP owns the DS technically, but games suck ass. The DS has outsold the PSP by roughly 11ty bn to one. Not on tech specs, but on FUN.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BD2003
But if anyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee, its you. The PS3 is the same brand of fun from 10 years ago. There's nothing really revolutionary about it, just shinier graphics. The Wii is the one thats offering something new, even if it doesn't look as nice. Besides, it's not like sony isn't going to be on their 5th GT, 4th Metal Gear, 13th Final Fantasy, 4th Devil May Cry etc....sony is just as guilty of sequelitis.

How can you say that theres nothing revolutionary about it? When you just mentioned the "fantastic new processor", and BR. The monster hardware will make way for previously untouchable game mechanics and gameplay, but like how they did with the ps2 and ps1. Graphics accounts for a great deal of a games overall experience, processing power and extra huge storage for audio and video content will definately be usefull for developers.

I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.

There's nothing revolutionary about it. Revolutionary = a whole new paradigm, never done before. Like the wiimote. Evolutionary = an upward improvement in the same paradigm. Like faster processor, more storage.

Tell me then, what untouchable gameplay mechanics were possible with the ps2 that werent possible with the PS1? I honestly can't think of any, but you apparently have, so I'd like to hear them. And what all that extra cpu and gpu power, what types games that were not possible with the previous generation will there be? I can ratchet off a whole new list of new ideas for the wiimote. I can't think of anything gameplay-wise that couldn't be done on a ps2 that should be possible for the ps3.

Graphics are important, but theyre not everything, and the improvement in graphical impact from ps2 to ps3 is not nearly that as the ps1 to ps2. Processing power and storage are important, and naturally, more is almost always better, but again, it's just going to make that whats already possible just a bit higher resolution and quality.

I want new games too. Thats why I'm so damn eager for the Wii. Same characters maybe, but a whole new way of playing.

 

[LegendKiller]

I guess you could say that a Conroe is nothing but an upgraded 386...

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: mflacy

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BD2003
But if anyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee, its you. The PS3 is the same brand of fun from 10 years ago. There's nothing really revolutionary about it, just shinier graphics. The Wii is the one thats offering something new, even if it doesn't look as nice. Besides, it's not like sony isn't going to be on their 5th GT, 4th Metal Gear, 13th Final Fantasy, 4th Devil May Cry etc....sony is just as guilty of sequelitis.

I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.

You want new PS3 games like Metal Gear 4, Gran Turismo 5, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis 3, Hot Shots Golf 5, Virtua Fighter 5, Devil May Cry 4, Ridge Racer 7, Tony Hawk 8, Final Fantasy XIII, or Call of Duty 3?

Actually to be honest, I am not looking forward to any of those games, except maybe GT5 and FF13. I've seen the White Knight trailer, and it looks spectacular, those are the kinds of games I am looking forward to. The games I look forward to the most are going to be from Japanese developers, developed for japanese gamers. I love the RPGs, the music games, and the really wierd ones like katamari and loco roco. Such a retarded premise for a game, and yet you can play it for hours on end.

 

[SpanishFry]

minds changed by OP: 0

 

[secretanchitman]

when zelda comes around, you'll be saying your prayers.

but i like the ps3 as well. xbox360 is...blah.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: mflacy

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BD2003
But if anyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee, its you. The PS3 is the same brand of fun from 10 years ago. There's nothing really revolutionary about it, just shinier graphics. The Wii is the one thats offering something new, even if it doesn't look as nice. Besides, it's not like sony isn't going to be on their 5th GT, 4th Metal Gear, 13th Final Fantasy, 4th Devil May Cry etc....sony is just as guilty of sequelitis.

I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.

You want new PS3 games like Metal Gear 4, Gran Turismo 5, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis 3, Hot Shots Golf 5, Virtua Fighter 5, Devil May Cry 4, Ridge Racer 7, Tony Hawk 8, Final Fantasy XIII, or Call of Duty 3?

Actually to be honest, I am not looking forward to any of those games, except maybe GT5 and FF13. I've seen the White Knight trailer, and it looks spectacular, those are the kinds of games I am looking forward to. The games I look forward to the most are going to be from Japanese developers, developed for japanese gamers. I love the RPGs, the music games, and the really wierd ones like katamari and loco roco. Such a retarded premise for a game, and yet you can play it for hours on end.

From that post it sounds like you'll enjoy a Wii if you like crazy retarded games.

 

[everman]

If something like Bioshock was exclusive to ps3 then I'd consider it. But now I'm considering a 360 just because of Bioshock, I loved system shock 2, the gameplay was amazing, atmosphere, everything was amazing. So I'll probably get a 360 and bioshock next year. I'd get a PS3 if there's something on par with that at least, but needs more because of the insane price.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: everman
If something like Bioshock was exclusive to ps3 then I'd consider it. But now I'm considering a 360 just because of Bioshock, I loved system shock 2, the gameplay was amazing, atmosphere, everything was amazing. So I'll probably get a 360 and bioshock next year. I'd get a PS3 if there's something on par with that at least, but needs more because of the insane price.

Or you could always get a PC, which pretty much eventually gets every good game the Xbox 360 gets. Bioshock with mouse is better than bioshock with gamepad.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Tell me then, what untouchable gameplay mechanics were possible with the ps2 that werent possible with the PS1? I honestly can't think of any, but you apparently have, so I'd like to hear them. And what all that extra cpu and gpu power, what types games that were not possible with the previous generation will there be? I can ratchet off a whole new list of new ideas for the wiimote. I can't think of anything gameplay-wise that couldn't be done on a ps2 that should be possible for the ps3.

Graphics are important, but theyre not everything, and the improvement in graphical impact from ps2 to ps3 is not nearly that as the ps1 to ps2. Processing power and storage are important, and naturally, more is almost always better, but again, it's just going to make that whats already possible just a bit higher resolution and quality.

I want new games too. Thats why I'm so damn eager for the Wii. Same characters maybe, but a whole new way of playing.

The only really obvious one I can think of is the move from cd to dvd, which I think brought on voice acting. Revolutionary was probably the wrong word to use. I guess I'm thinking about the ability to draw a player into the game and emerse him in the game environment. I'm sure there was a lot behind the scenes that was made possible with the ps2 hardware. Polygon counts? I guess thats just graphics. meh. I'm spent. I need to go nef now.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BD2003
Tell me then, what untouchable gameplay mechanics were possible with the ps2 that werent possible with the PS1? I honestly can't think of any, but you apparently have, so I'd like to hear them. And what all that extra cpu and gpu power, what types games that were not possible with the previous generation will there be? I can ratchet off a whole new list of new ideas for the wiimote. I can't think of anything gameplay-wise that couldn't be done on a ps2 that should be possible for the ps3.

Graphics are important, but theyre not everything, and the improvement in graphical impact from ps2 to ps3 is not nearly that as the ps1 to ps2. Processing power and storage are important, and naturally, more is almost always better, but again, it's just going to make that whats already possible just a bit higher resolution and quality.

I want new games too. Thats why I'm so damn eager for the Wii. Same characters maybe, but a whole new way of playing.

The only really obvious one I can think of is the move from cd to dvd, which I think brought on voice acting. Revolutionary was probably the wrong word to use. I guess I'm thinking about the ability to draw a player into the game and emerse him in the game environment. I'm sure there was a lot behind the scenes that was made possible with the ps2 hardware. Polygon counts? I guess thats just graphics. meh. I'm spent. I need to go nef now.

Voice acting adds nothing to *gameplay*.

Even though COD3 isn't out, even though the PS3 will have better graphics, somehow I know bashing a kraut over the head by swinging the nunchuk down hard, and aiming directly at the screen to shoot will draw me far more in than a more realistic explosion. One makes me think "cool", and the other puts a grin on my face just thinking about it.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: everman
If something like Bioshock was exclusive to ps3 then I'd consider it. But now I'm considering a 360 just because of Bioshock, I loved system shock 2, the gameplay was amazing, atmosphere, everything was amazing. So I'll probably get a 360 and bioshock next year. I'd get a PS3 if there's something on par with that at least, but needs more because of the insane price.

Or you could always get a PC, which pretty much eventually gets every good game the Xbox 360 gets. Bioshock with mouse is better than bioshock with gamepad.

Ya, but it's a bit expensive when you're still going to be a post grad student with not much money for a while. Wii has the most bang for my buck. Possibly the 360 sometime next year.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: everman
If something like Bioshock was exclusive to ps3 then I'd consider it. But now I'm considering a 360 just because of Bioshock, I loved system shock 2, the gameplay was amazing, atmosphere, everything was amazing. So I'll probably get a 360 and bioshock next year. I'd get a PS3 if there's something on par with that at least, but needs more because of the insane price.

Or you could always get a PC, which pretty much eventually gets every good game the Xbox 360 gets. Bioshock with mouse is better than bioshock with gamepad.

Ya, but it's a bit expensive when you're still going to be a post grad student with not much money for a while. Wii has the most bang for my buck. Possibly the 360 sometime next year.

Very true. The Xbox/X360 is more like a PC than not. I wish MS would stop pretending otherwise, and just let us hook up mice and keyboards. That'll get me to buy one.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
um... OP....

your a idiot. now stfu and go troll somewhere else

WII OWNS

I do??

remember, what miyamoto said first has to go through a translator and then through your buttocks before it reaches your ears.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: randay
Actually to be honest, I am not looking forward to any of those games, except maybe GT5 and FF13. I've seen the White Knight trailer, and it looks spectacular, those are the kinds of games I am looking forward to. The games I look forward to the most are going to be from Japanese developers, developed for japanese gamers. I love the RPGs, the music games, and the really wierd ones like katamari and loco roco. Such a retarded premise for a game, and yet you can play it for hours on end.

i think you've just failed to realize that you're accusing nintendo of rehashing the same thing over and over again, and were just owned by BD2003 and mflacy.

 

[Fenixgoon]

gameplay >>> graphics

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Pastore
From that post it sounds like you'll enjoy a Wii if you like crazy retarded games.

I love Nintendos crazy fun games, back when they were on the Nintendo. Since then they haven't made enough original games for me to buy any of thier consoles since the super Nintendo. The N64 was tempting, but my friend had that and they were all multiplayer games anyway. Is there any game that can compete with Chrono Trigger?

I think the wiimote is only gonna be good when it comes to multiplayer games, other then that its gonna be like whackin off in the bathroom.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i think you've just failed to realize that you're accusing nintendo of rehashing the same thing over and over again, and were just owned by BD2003 and mflacy.

You and DBZ sure do have a lot of quality insight into this issue. Thanks for your post!