DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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"I don't see how I have taken Miyamoto's quote out of context when I took it literally. He said that "The hardware is basically a GC"."
He was talking about game compatibility, not power. That is precisely how you took it out of context.
He was talking about game compatibility, not power. That is precisely how you took it out of context.
Exactly. The question has nothing to do with hardware specs, and the answer has nothing to do with hardware specs.
Take of the Sony blinders and relax a little.
I played the Wii at E3. I played the PS3 at E3.
The Wii was a hell of a lot more fun than the PS3.
I seriously doubt Randay has touched either one.
The Wii was a hell of a lot more fun than the PS3.
I seriously doubt Randay has touched either one.
I don't agree, the question was in regard to the pace at which games will be released, in regards to the pace at which games for the GC were released.
Miyamoto responds with the reason: Because "The hardware is basically a GC". They plan to remake GC games, modifying them for functionality with the wiimote, and that is his answer as to why the release pace is similiar to the GC's.
You are right that the question had nothing to do with hardware specs, but his ANSWER does.
I'm not saying that the games aren't fun. Nintendo only makes fun games, you know why? Because they keep remaking the good games only. My personal opinion is that the redundant-ness of it all just makes those games boring for me, killing the fun factor. Sure if you are new to Nintendo's platformers and themes, its great fun.
While Playstation has rediculous variety and innovation in thier games' gameplay. you can take the few franchises they have going for them and call foul, but there are like a billion other games and developers that you would be overlooking. Playstation had a gigantic catalogue and if you haven't taken the time to pick through it all then you are missing out one some of the greatest games you never even knew could be a game.
All it takes is one look at the games to know they couldnt have been done on a stock GC.
I'm sure what he meant was that the Wii's architecture is "basically" the same as the GCs. And thats been known for a long time. At 90nm, it's half the original size process, so I'm sure they had no problem ratcheting up the clock speed. It's a double edged sword. Sure, it's a suped up GC, but developers have been working with the GC for years, so they already know how to optimize very well. Also guarantees perfect backward compatibility.
As far as remakes, I see no problem with it. The programming involved would be trivial. All they have to do is add in wii-mote functionality. I wouldn't pay full price for the games, but being that it'd be so simple, and likely not involve much development time, I'm sure they can churn em out quick and cheap. I for one would love to play f-zero GX with the wii-mote.
Sony has a fantastic new processor, that is adding a massive amount to the system. Along with the unnecessary BR drive, which I would rather they kept.
But if anyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee, its you. The PS3 is the same brand of fun from 10 years ago. There's nothing really revolutionary about it, just shinier graphics. The Wii is the one thats offering something new, even if it doesn't look as nice. Besides, it's not like sony isn't going to be on their 5th GT, 4th Metal Gear, 13th Final Fantasy, 4th Devil May Cry etc....sony is just as guilty of sequelitis.
I think most people could care less about the nintendo characters. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda games sell because they are damn good games. They'd be just as good without said characters.
I want gran turismo 5 as much as the next guy, but honestly, Id rather be playing it with the wiimote.
So
Lifer
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There is nothing revolutionary about the cell and little new to top it. Of course IBM is using the powerPC core for their servers...they designed it as a decent general purpose CPU. Sony came along decades after the original instruction set was laid out and requested a CPU for their new console. They threw on a handful of co-processors (also something that has existed in various forms since the 80's) and called it a day. It's going to be a good, solid CPU, and if programmers learn to write to the co-proc's strengths it might be really fast.
Good, sure. Revolutionary? Not even close.
rivan
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And as others have pointed out, it's likely got nothing to do with hardware *capability*, rather as how the hardware correlates to developing software for it. Someone mentioned a Pentium D 805 and 820, I'd say something more along the relative distance between a PII and a P4. Both use x86, so from a standpoint of developing software for them, they're roughly the same.
Don't lie, you're really buying it for yourself, but if anyone asks it was a present for your kid.
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Yeah, I'll agree that Nintendo is as guilty as anyone about sequels and rehashes, but that isn't any different that Sony. What you are arguing now is that the PS systems have a larger catalog. So your discussion has really gone beyond Sony and Nintendo.
Anyway, yes, the PS2 has a huge library, but they also have a huge user base. I think the real concern here is that with Sony's continued mistakes they are going to lose market share to MS and Nintendo. At this point, I think that's a given. The only question now is how much. After the initial uproar over the name the Wii seems to have gained a very positive public image. Even hardcore PC gamers have taken notice. So if the Wii really does take off then you will see many more games made for the Wii than was the case with the GC and the advantage of library size that the PS2 enjoyed will largely disappear.
DivideBYZero
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I have nothing to add. The obvious advantages of the Wii over the Cube have been posted and you decided to ignore them, lest they make you look a cock.
I couldn't care less about the hardware, why do people like the OP STILL think that hardware is even important?
It's about the games stupid! Wii brings to the table something new and interesting. If the games are fun then people will buy it. Nobody cares if you use blue ray, green ray, death ray, or sting ray. I want something that's fun and different, with great gameplay.
It's about the games stupid! Wii brings to the table something new and interesting. If the games are fun then people will buy it. Nobody cares if you use blue ray, green ray, death ray, or sting ray. I want something that's fun and different, with great gameplay.
How can you say that theres nothing revolutionary about it? When you just mentioned the "fantastic new processor", and BR. The monster hardware will make way for previously untouchable game mechanics and gameplay, but like how they did with the ps2 and ps1. Graphics accounts for a great deal of a games overall experience, processing power and extra huge storage for audio and video content will definately be usefull for developers.
I guess I am not arguing about the hardware so much as I'm arguing about the gameplay aspects of the Wii, sure they will be able to do fun stuff with the wiimote, but its just not enough for me I guess. I want new games, not old ones with a twist.
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