Lobbyist Claims Monsanto's Roundup Is Safe To Drink, Freaks Out When Offered A Glass

[master_shake_]

So, scientific data we don't want to believe can easily be discarded by other, completely non related scientific data that was disproven 30 years ago?

Denial must be a great place to live!

Yep that's exactly what I said.

 

[Brainonska511]

These are the people who are bought and controlled to drive government policy in our country. The only difference is we aren't asking these questions.

And what questions are those? As far as pesticides go, glyphosate is one of the safest. And GMO crops have allowed for an overall reduction in pesticide usage. I don't necesssarily see the harm in people spending time working in industry research settings and then moving over towards government positions. You need people with technical expertise, and last time I checked (and I know this from personal experience): academic positions pay like shit until you can land a professorship. Your knowledge doesn't become tainted because you suddenly worked for industry.

Public policy should be based on scientific evidence. Sometimes, that's in favor of industry, and sometimes its not.

Plus, the individuals "asking the questions" are asking the wrong questions. Look at the organic bandwagon: you've got tons of people that think organic food production doesn't use pesticides and all sorts of other nonsense.

Even if it were somehow safe for humans, it's devastating for insects.
Once all the bees are gone have fun pollinating everything by hand.

Glyphosate is an herbicide. Do you have any proof for this idea that glyphosate is devistating insects? Additionally, not all crops need insect pollination. And good luck growing enough food for everyone if we stopped using chemicals of any sort ("natural" or otherwise).

That a no way to stand behind your product lol

He's not associated with glyphosate production. He doesn't work for Monsanto or another organization that makes that off-patent chemical. Towards the end of that snippet, it seems like he wanted to talk about the benefits of Golden Rice.

Piece of human garbage.

Why is he a piece of garbage?

Meh. Roundup is fine. Not fine to drink in it's concentrated form, but diluted and spread in a fine mist over a crop? Probably better than other toxins you inadvertently consume or breathe in greater quantities every day.

That guy is a tool though. Don't say shit like that unless you're ready to back it up.

Glyphosate, the active ingredient in RoundUp, is safe. The video shows that he correctly says glyphosate, not RoundUp. RoundUp has surfactants and other ingredients that might make it more unpleasant to drink, like soap. But in reality, it's the dose that makes the poison.

And just because something is safe to consume doesn't mean you want to consume it. I don't see how it makes him a tool. I would agree with the scientific evidence that it's safe (as are a variety of other everyday chemicals). I still wouldn't consume them. Chemical safety 101: do not ingest.

Plus, it sounds like he wanted to talk about Golden Rice, a great GMO that would help bring Vitamin A to places sorely lacking in it.

In his defence, it probably tastes like crap. He probably should tone down the rhetoric about it.

That said, it probably causes Cancer.

Any proof for glyphosate causing cancer? Because almost all the scientific evidence says that's not the case.

 

[MongGrel]

Well that was pretty amusing.

"You're a complete jerk"

 

[norseamd]

My uncle is the founder of a huge seed company that sells over the Midwest and Northwestern America. They sell their own brand of soybean including varieties for libertylink and roundup. Glyphosate can cause various medical problems including non-Hodgkin lymphoma. My uncle actually got non-Hodgkin lymphoma very recently after he retired and gave the day to day running of the company over to his kids.

 

[norseamd]

Plus, it sounds like he wanted to talk about Golden Rice, a great GMO that would help bring Vitamin A to places sorely lacking in it.

Maybe if you were to find out more about the interview you would know that they already did talk about gold rice earlier in the interview. And besides what difference does it make if Glyphosate was safe if the rest of the chemicals in Roundup did not make it safe? And it seems Glyphosate is not safe and the UN has put the chemical on the list of probable carcinogens.

 

[Kaido]

Plus, it sounds like he wanted to talk about Golden Rice, a great GMO that would help bring Vitamin A to places sorely lacking in it.

Wow neat, I wasn't very familiar with that product, sounds awesome!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice

Interesting note here

Golden rice is a variety of rice (Oryza sativa) produced through genetic engineering to biosynthesize beta-carotene, a precursor of vitamin A, in the edible parts of rice. The research was conducted with the goal of producing a fortified food to be grown and consumed in areas with a shortage of dietary vitamin A, a deficiency which is estimated to kill 670,000 children under the age of 5 each year.

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In 2005, a new variety called Golden Rice 2, which produces up to 23 times more beta-carotene than the original golden rice, was announced. Although golden rice was developed as a humanitarian tool, it has met with significant opposition from environmental and anti-globalization activists. Studies have found that golden rice poses "no risk to human health", and multiple field tests have taken place with no adverse side-effects to participants

To me, this is like the autism argument...Penn & Teller's video is the perfect example of that: assuming autism is caused by vaccines, your options are now to have a high rate of survival of measles etc., vs. a very low rate of autism, and if your child does become autistic as a result, would you rather lose the child to measels or have a living child?

Same thing here: it's a new food, and modified foods do pose risks - some GMO's are safe, some are not, we simply don't have long-term data. But, if half a million or more kids are dying every year from it, then would you rather risk side effects from GMO's and have them continue living, or do nothing and continue losing them? It may not be a perfect system, but it sure sounds better than what we've got going on right now...

 

[WHAMPOM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM

Never read the usage label now did he? No warning against ingestion? Rubber gloves, face shield and air filter are required by commercial employees.

 

[LegendKiller]

Then you just have to hope that there aren't any cumulative effects due to chronic exposure to small quantities over a long period of time.

Except that it has been shown not to be retained in the body...

 

[LegendKiller]

My uncle is the founder of a huge seed company that sells over the Midwest and Northwestern America. They sell their own brand of soybean including varieties for libertylink and roundup. Glyphosate can cause various medical problems including non-Hodgkin lymphoma. My uncle actually got non-Hodgkin lymphoma very recently after he retired and gave the day to day running of the company over to his kids.

Where is the proof that it causes non-Hodgkins lymphoma.

 

[norseamd]

Where is the proof that it causes non-Hodgkins lymphoma. LegendKiller is online now Report Post

Well looks like the available data is limited on non-Hodgin lymphoma but otherwise there seems to be sufficient data for the UN to classify Glyphosate as carcinogenic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

 

[Brainonska511]

Maybe if you were to find out more about the interview you would know that they already did talk about gold rice earlier in the interview. And besides what difference does it make if Glyphosate was safe if the rest of the chemicals in Roundup did not make it safe? And it seems Glyphosate is not safe and the UN has put the chemical on the list of probable carcinogens.

But it's the dose that makes the poison, which the IARC does not address. Lots of things could cause cancer at a high enough dosage.

Take for example formaldehyde. It's listed as a group 1 carcinogen, and it's found in apples, but apples don't give you cancer. It's because the dosage required for formaldehyde to cause cancer is several orders of magnitude larger than what is in apples.

The IARC's conclusions are built on some rather thin evidence from an old study. A more recent meta-review came to the opposite conclusion on glyphosate: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22683395

See also this: link

Edit:
Glyphosate technical fact sheet: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/glyphotech.html

 

[LegendKiller]

Well looks like the available data is limited on non-Hodgin lymphoma but otherwise there seems to be sufficient data for the UN to classify Glyphosate as carcinogenic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

They classified it as a "probable" but even then, it isn't a very strong correlation that is based upon meta-studies, not actual causal studies with specific control groups. In other words, very flawed. Drawing conclusions from them is far from reliable.

But that's no surprise coming from the same body who is on a crusade for global warming with little to no scientific data to justify itl

 

[EliteRetard]

Bees only pollinate a small portion of the crop. CCD isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to bee (har).

There are a lot of stuff that isn't toxic but'll probably not taste good and make you throw up.

But go ahead, don't believe science.

Hey, by the way, did you hear about Geocentrism? Ohh, you believe in it 100%. AWESOME!

Remember, when you go to warp you aren't moving...the universe is.

 

[Belegost]

Even if it were somehow safe for humans, it's devastating for insects.
Once all the bees are gone have fun pollinating everything by hand.

Bee population declines are potentially linked to neonicotinoids which are a form of insecticide.

Glyphosate, the herbicide, is not in any way, shape, or form, a neonicotinoid.

 

[EliteRetard]

http://www.gmoevidence.com/dr-huber-glyphosate-and-bee-colony-collapse-disorder-ccd/

I aint no expert, just throwing it out there.

 

[VirtualLarry]

To me, this is like the autism argument...Penn & Teller's video is the perfect example of that: assuming autism is caused by vaccines, your options are now to have a high rate of survival of measles etc., vs. a very low rate of autism, and if your child does become autistic as a result, would you rather lose the child to measels or have a living child?

Interesting that you bring up autism in this thread, since there are quite a few new discoveries that have linked increased autism with increased use of glyphosate.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/09/monsanto-roundup-herbicide.aspx

Edit: Search for "glyphosate causes autism MIT".

 

[Brainonska511]

Interesting that you bring up autism in this thread, since there are quite a few new discoveries that have linked increased autism with increased use of glyphosate.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/09/monsanto-roundup-herbicide.aspx

LOL. You quote that fucking quack?

 

[norseamd]

CFCs are refrigerants, propellants, and solvents not biosphere engineering chemicals. CFCs cause massive loss of the ozone and also greenhouse interactions. Just pointing that out that there are many side effects that we know nothing about for the millions of chemicals possible.

 

[vailr]

What the guy probably meant to say: it's perfectly safe to drink from a coffee cup with a Monsanto advertising logo printed on the outside of it. And collect his yearly Monsanto stock dividend.

 

[LegendKiller]

Interesting that you bring up autism in this thread, since there are quite a few new discoveries that have linked increased autism with increased use of glyphosate.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/09/monsanto-roundup-herbicide.aspx

Edit: Search for "glyphosate causes autism MIT".

"Dr. Seneff identified two key problems in autism that are unrelated to the brain yet clearly associated with the condition—both of which are linked with glyphosate exposure (starting at 10 minutes into the interview, she gives an in-depth explanation of how glyphosate causes the many symptoms associated with autism):

Gut dysbiosis (imbalances in gut bacteria, inflammation, leaky gut, food allergies such as gluten intolerance)"


There is no thing such as gluten intolerance or "leaky gut". Furthermore, we know Autism forms in-utero, so it has nothing to do with the gut post-partum.


Here's a better correlation.

http://boingboing.net/2013/01/01/correlation-between-autism-dia.html

Autism is very closely correlated to consumption of organic food.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Bee population declines are potentially linked to neonicotinoids which are a form of insecticide.

Glyphosate, the herbicide, is not in any way, shape, or form, a neonicotinoid.

It's still a non natural chemical being put in an area that it should not. It probably can't be good for bees either way.

What sucks is my city is planing on "crop dusting" all the forests to kill mosquitoes. Of course the general public is going to be "hell yeah, down with mosquitoes!". But that also means you can no longer eat any berries, it will kill all sorts of other bugs including good ones like bees, small animals who eat bugs will be poisoned, bigger animals who eat the smaller animals will be poisoned etc... that means you can't eat what you hunt either because it's probably poisoned.

Humans need to stop fucking with nature.

 

[EliteRetard]

*snip*
There is no thing such as gluten intolerance *snip*

Uh...yes there is.
I happen to know somebody who was medically diagnosed with celiac.

 

[LegendKiller]

Uh...yes there is.
I happen to know somebody who was medically diagnosed with celiac.

There is celiac, which is *NOT* "gluten intolerance", and then the hipster bullshit "gluten intolerance". They are two completely different things. Notice the article did not say "celiac diseases". Why is that? Because then they'd have to show the actual incidence of truly diagnosed celiac disease and that has not increased much at all.

That is a very intentional slant. It gets all of the anti-vax, anti-GMO, anti-chemical helicopter moms to buy in.

 

[EliteRetard]

There is celiac, which is *NOT* "gluten intolerance"
*snip*

Keep digging lol.

 

[LegendKiller]

Keep digging lol.

Are you so naive that you think that wasn't an intentional "slip"? No, you arent. You just want to believe them no matter what. If they had wanted to be scientific and specific they would have named celiac. However, they know that the incidence rate for celiac is low while the froth over "gluten intolerance" is high. its why they use "leaky gut" which is a bullshit non medical term. Or why they try to peg autism too.

When you have quacks you get quackery. "Gluten intolerance" is quackery, celiac is jot.