lobbying reform passed in the house and senate

nageov3t

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8/1 update:

House, 411-8, Passes a Vast Ethics Overhaul

WASHINGTON, July 31 ? The House on Tuesday overwhelmingly approved sweeping ethics rules that would require lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who gather more than $15,000 in political contributions for them within a six-month period. The measure would also impose new restrictions on accepting gifts, discounted airfare and other long-held perquisites of office.

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The measure will require 67 votes to pass in the Senate, because it entails a change in Senate rules. At least two Republicans, Senators Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, oppose the bill, saying it is too weak on disclosure requirements for earmarks. But Republican aides said they expected it to be easily approved.

cut from: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08...ashington/01lobby.html

the rules passed the house 411:8... hopefully the bipartisan support bodes well for the bill's chances in the senate.



who knows if it'll pass and whether or not republicans will try to derail the issue, but I like what I read:

Democrats Agree on Overhaul of Lobbying

By CARL HULSE
Published: July 28, 2007


WASHINGTON, July 27 ? Congressional Democrats reached tentative agreement Friday night on a major overhaul of lobbying rules that would for the first time require lawmakers to identify lobbyists who assemble multiple donations and turn them over to candidates.

The disclosure of what is known in political circles as bundling would be a central element of the first major changes made in lobbying rules in the aftermath of the Jack Abramoff scandal and other Congressional corruption cases tied to lobbying.

Democrats, who intend to push the changes through Congress next week, say the bundling disclosure requirement and a number of other changes would shed new light on the relationship between lawmakers and those who seek to sway them on legislation.

?This rewrites the rules as it relates to lobbyists and their influence on Washington,? said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, chairman of the Democratic Caucus and an advocate for the changes.

Democrats, who campaigned against what they called a ?culture of corruption? in taking control of the House and Senate last year, are eager to finish the package next week as part of their drive to counter Republican accusations that Democrats are making little legislative headway.

Negotiators for the House and Senate Democratic leadership engaged in talks throughout the day Friday in an effort to reach final agreement on the long-delayed bill. They hit a last-minute snag over the level of bundled donations that would set off disclosure by the House and Senate campaign committees.

But officials familiar with the talks said that point appeared to be resolved in an evening phone call between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, putting a deal in place.

?We have reached an agreement,? said Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

There are other potential obstacles. The details had yet to be presented to the Democratic rank and file in the House and Senate. But officials said they were confident the tentative agreement would hold, and a spokesman for Ms. Pelosi said he expected the legislation to reach the House floor as early as Tuesday.

?We are committed to lobbying reform and we are committed to operating Congress in an open and transparent manner, and we will live up to our commitment,? said Brendan Daly of the speaker?s office.

Because of objections by one Republican senator, the House and Senate were not engaged in formal, bipartisan negotiations, and Republican leaders said Friday they were unaware of the details of the emerging agreement and could make no judgment. But Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said repeatedly this week that Republicans were leaning toward support of the measure.

The tentative proposal puts new requirements on lobbyists as well as on lawmakers, and orders disclosure of contributions that have become alternative ways to curry favor with politicians by giving to entities like favored charities, special awards and honors and presidential library funds. Lobbyists would also have to disclose at least twice a year if they paid for meetings or retreats.

The measure would set a one-year ban on lobbying for former House members and senior staff members, and two years in the Senate. New restrictions would be put on lobbying by spouses, and lobbyists would be required to disclose any previous experience in the executive or legislative branches.

Politicians would be banned from trying to pressure firms and associations to hire certain lobbyists based on partisan background ? the so-called Republican K-Street project. Lawmakers and top aides would have to recuse themselves from issues where there could be a conflict because of negotiations for future employment, and such negotiations would have to be disclosed within three business days. New public databases would be established of lobbyists? disclosures as well as of lawmaker travel and personal financial data. Penalties for violations would be increased.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Bundling became a focus after critics complained it was a back-door way for some lobbyists to ingratiate themselves with Congressional candidates by collecting a series of legal donations from others and then getting credit for delivering the cumulative amount and saving the politician the effort.

Under the tentative proposal, Congressional contenders and the respective campaign committees would be required to notify the Federal Election Commission once one individual had delivered more than $15,000 in contributions within six months or $30,000 in one year.

The plan initially approved by the House had put the responsibility for disclosing the bundling on the lobbyist. But in the talks, Senate Democrats proposed shifting the onus to the recipient and making the Federal Election Commission, which handles campaign fund-raising reports, the repository of the record.

But Mr. Van Hollen said House negotiators decided to consent to the change since the basic information being disclosed remained the same.

Mr. Van Hollen said he believed that the new requirements, if they became law, could represent a fundamental change in the interaction between lobbyists and lawmakers. ?We heard the message voters sent last November and we are following through,? he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07...ashington/28lobby.html
 
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I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.

You can't get much done with 40 or so neo-cons willing to block any kind of lobbying reform.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.

You can't get much done with 40 or so neo-cons willing to block any kind of lobbying reform.

Did someone pull your string?

All I hear from you Dems is how you can't do anyting because of someone else. Well, YOU promised it - so the least you should do is try. You really need to drop this generic "they won't let us" excuse you people use for everything.
 
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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.

You can't get much done with 40 or so neo-cons willing to block any kind of lobbying reform.

If you were even the slightest bit honest you'd mention that there are democrats who are also standing in the way of the bigger reforms. This isn't a party issue, (except for the party that once again, over promised) so much as an entrenched washington politician issue.

Before you go blaming the Rs for this one you need to get your own party members in check.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.

You can't get much done with 40 or so neo-cons willing to block any kind of lobbying reform.

If you were even the slightest bit honest you'd mention that there are democrats who are also standing in the way of the bigger reforms. This isn't a party issue, (except for the party that once again, over promised) so much as an entrenched washington politician issue.

Before you go blaming the Rs for this one you need to get your own party members in check.

Its hard to think of republicans as pro-lobby reform, when even mentioning McCain-Feingold in the party is considered taboo.
 

EagleKeeper

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This is a committee only at this opint.

As stated in the article, the rank & file Dems in both the House and Senate have not seen this.

Right now, you have 15-20 people max agreeing on this. Now comes the hard sell to see if Peloski and have the Dems go forward on it.

From what was stated, there does not seem to be a partisan poison pill.
 

nageov3t

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/bump in case something actually happens on this today?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...0/AR2007073001552.html

Lobbying Reform, at Last
Congress should finish it before going home.
Tuesday, July 31, 2007; Page A18


IT WASN'T EASY, it took too long, and it's not done yet -- but before Congress leaves for its August recess, it should have completed a lobbying reform bill that would, for the first time, require disclosure of the bundles of campaign checks that lobbyists bring in for politicians. We say "should have" because the measure -- having not gone through the normal conference committee process -- needs to clear significant hurdles in both the House and Senate. Lawmakers of both parties, in both houses, must ensure that that happens before going home to face constituents who appear increasingly unhappy about a Congress they perceive as looking after its own interests, not theirs.

The lobbying package makes important changes, some of which were written into House rules in January. It would prohibit lawmakers and staff members from accepting gifts or travel from lobbyists and their clients. It would end lawmakers' ability to fly on corporate aircraft at cut-rate prices; senators and White House candidates would have to pay regular charter rates for such flights, while House members would simply be barred from accepting travel on private jets. It would lengthen, from one year to two, the revolving-door prohibition on senators and Senate staff members; the House limit would remain at one year.

It would require that senators pushing pet projects known as earmarks make that information available at least 48 hours in advance of a vote and certify that they and their immediate family members have no financial stake in the items; earmarks added in conference could be challenged and would have to receive 60 votes to survive. Lobbyists would also have to report gifts made to presidential libraries, now a financial disclosure black hole.

Most important, the measure would require lawmakers to include on their campaign finance reports the identities of lobbyists who raise $15,000 or more for them during a six-month period -- shining a needed light on an important source of influence. Keeping this requirement part of the bill was a difficult, and important, achievement.

This agreement will be brought up on the House floor today, under rules allowing it to pass quickly with two-thirds support. Then it goes to the Senate, where it is expected to run into opposition from Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.) and Tom Coburn (Okla.) over whether the earmarking rules are strict enough; because it involves a change in Senate rules, 67 votes will be needed for passage. Leadership from Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky) will be critical to ensure that the complaints of a few senators are not allowed to derail a change that is badly needed and long overdue.

if passed, that bolded part gets a big :thumbsup: in my book.

edit: looks like I'm a bit late thanks to cached rss feeds... this passed the house yesterday, I think.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I hope there's more to it than that. It sounds like all they are doing is expanding on what needs to be disclosed. Are there any restrictions on donation amounts or sponsored travel? I didn't see that in the link. What kind of restrictions would be placed on spouses?

I dunno... I guess it's a start but it seems like a far cry from what they were promising back in October. If they are going to hype this up as "reform" they need to revisit what they campaigned on.

Watchdog groups that have pressed for the changes were awaiting the details. ?I am very hopeful about this legislation, but the final statutory language still has to be seen,? said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.

Yup.

You can't get much done with 40 or so neo-cons willing to block any kind of lobbying reform.

Did someone pull your string?

All I hear from you Dems is how you can't do anyting because of someone else. Well, YOU promised it - so the least you should do is try. You really need to drop this generic "they won't let us" excuse you people use for everything.


It is funny how quickly they run to the big baby routine when 12 months ago they were bashing republicans as the do nothing congress when democrats stalled legislation.

But I guess that is how they guilt people into voting in the one party system and they can erect their leftist dictator. The standard "We need complete control to do the will of the people" routine.


 

Mxylplyx

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Politicians will always leave themselves loopholes. This bill is probably like a thousand pages long, when it only needs to be a few sentences.

"Campaigns may not receive any gift of any nature from any source outside of public campaign financing. No 1000 page document of what constitutes a gift is necessary, as the donor and recipient already know what a gift is. Any violation of the above will result in immediate removal from office, and maximum punishment for both the donor and recipient of said funds."

Simple as that.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Politicians will always leave themselves loopholes. This bill is probably like a thousand pages long, when it only needs to be a few sentences.

"Campaigns may not receive any gift of any nature from any source outside of public campaign financing. No 1000 page document of what constitutes a gift is necessary, as the donor and recipient already know what a gift is. Any violation of the above will result in immediate removal from office, and maximum punishment for both the donor and recipient of said funds."

Simple as that.

They really need to just go one further and say something like:

"Other than Federal campaigns earmarks, campaigns may not receive any contribution or aid from any source outside of individual US citizens, which may not exceed $5,000 per total individual contribution for any one election."

Done. No loopholes. No exceptions. No dead people contributing. No comatose people contributing. No one contributing $10,000,000 because they're stupid rich and want whichever candidate they like to win. A union or Corp. does not cast votes in the election, so they should not be allowed to contribute. Each persons individual vote is equal, and so should their realistic campaign contribution maximum be.

Chuck
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: piasabird
They can disclose all they want. The average joe six-pack will never go read it.

reporters will... and people still read newspapers, watch the news, listen to the radio, talk with friends, etc, etc.
 

Fern

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Can't wait to see the news tonight. I'm hearing that all the important stuff has been stripped out of the bill ("bundling" provision dumped).

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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Well, let's face it- them measure can't be very strict if that many House Repubs agreed to it...

Politics is the art of the possible, so sometimes all we get are baby steps in the right direction...

The current round of sour grapes from the Rightwing is quite entertaining, to say the least...

What sort of reform measures did they pass when their majority was bigger than the Dems currently enjoy?

This bit from CSG is particularly entertaining-

"All I hear from you Dems is how you can't do anyting because of someone else. Well, YOU promised it - so the least you should do is try. You really need to drop this generic "they won't let us" excuse you people use for everything."

Advocating the "Nuclear Option" again?

And Genx87, besides being totally off the wall in a paranoid rant, seems to forget that the 109th congress was in session fewer days than any other since 1947- it's tough to get anything done when you don't even show up for work...
 

heartsurgeon

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this all makes great looking press releases, but NO FINAL BILL IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW...

this is all hypothetical mumbojumbo....

you've got to have a bill get out of the House, then out of the Senate, then a conference committee, then it has to get signed by Bush.
I would not be surprised if some sort of onerous "attachment" gets added to the bill, designed to trigger a Bush veto, or designed to incite a negative vote by Republicans, in order to assure the bill fails, allowing Dimocrats (who may not actually want the bill passed....whatever the actual bill is) is claim they are for reform, without actually wanting it to become law...

all i'm saying is we haven't seen the bill.....
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
this all makes great looking press releases, but NO FINAL BILL IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW...

this is all hypothetical mumbojumbo....

you've got to have a bill get out of the House, then out of the Senate, then a conference committee, then it has to get signed by Bush.
I would not be surprised if some sort of onerous "attachment" gets added to the bill, designed to trigger a Bush veto, or designed to incite a negative vote by Republicans, in order to assure the bill fails, allowing Dimocrats (who may not actually want the bill passed....whatever the actual bill is) is claim they are for reform, without actually wanting it to become law...

all i'm saying is we haven't seen the bill.....
I guess thats why McCain Feingold is such a popular bill in the Republican Party.
 

nageov3t

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looks like it passed in the senate by a veto-proof majority (83:14). it'll be interesting to see if it actually does anything.
 

ElFenix

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anything that passes by that margin can't possibly restrict congress in any significant manner.
 

jackace

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lobbyists should not be allowed to give any money, items, or services to elected officials. IMHO they should be able to plead their case and provide facts to the official, but giving them money and such is a blatant conflict of interest even if it is disclosed.