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llano vs Athlon II

lifeblood

lifeblood

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I went over to the Anandtech Bench and compared my current CPU (see sig) to a Llano A8 and they came out neck to neck. What? Am I reading that correctly? I used the Athlon II 635 for the comparison. Mine is a 435 but with a core unlocked giving me a 635 equivalent.

I use my PC for gaming and office productivity, while my wife run biological models and GIS (Graphical Information Systems) like ArcGIS on it as part of her PhD and it handles it all without a sweat. If the Llano is as good as a 635, that really is more than most (non-enthusiast) users require for a home PC.

I really expected Llano to be a slow CPU, but if its the same speed as mine then its not slow. Its "fast enough".
 
Will people please start realizing Llano is neither a step backwards or forwards on the CPU front. Its just AMD hacking away at a current arch. with some minor change's and slapping a gpu on it.
 
BD231 said:
Will people please start realizing Llano is neither a step backwards or forwards on the CPU front. Its just AMD hacking away at a current arch. with some minor change's and slapping a gpu on it.
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BREAKING:New K10 cores perform like old K10 cores!

Edit: Though those SPUs may come in handy one day when OpenCL catches on...
 
The big thing is the enthusisasts in us Look at an Athlon II X4 that is no competition for an I3, and sees something that costs $40 more and still no competition for an I3.

A lot of hold up is launch prices and lack of variety. An A8 at $150 doesn't look hot. But a $90 A6 might be the greatest thing since slice bread, if and when it happens.

The end result though is that it is a great proof of concept and should be somewhat profitable considering the quoted demand on at least the Laptop end which is the CPU's strong point. You can not get a 4 core CPU and graphics in a laptop of the shelf for a better value then it.

Trinity is when I expect it to get the the desktop love it deserves since it should be using if I read the road-map the same enhanced BD cores that Komodo will have.
 
Topweasel said:
The big thing is the enthusisasts in us Look at an Athlon II X4 that is no competition for an I3, and sees something that costs $40 more and still no competition for an I3.

A lot of hold up is launch prices and lack of variety. An A8 at $150 doesn't look hot. But a $90 A6 might be the greatest thing since slice bread, if and when it happens.

The end result though is that it is a great proof of concept and should be somewhat profitable considering the quoted demand on at least the Laptop end which is the CPU's strong point. You can not get a 4 core CPU and graphics in a laptop of the shelf for a better value then it.

Trinity is when I expect it to get the the desktop love it deserves since it should be using if I read the road-map the same enhanced BD cores that Komodo will have.
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Yea, I can't expect this will be a popular enthusiast CPU for desktops. Once Trinity hits and they (hopefully) fix the issues with hybrid xfire, I see Trinity as THE budget/mid-range gaming CPU.
 
Topweasel said:
The big thing is the enthusisasts in us Look at an Athlon II X4 that is no competition for an I3, and sees something that costs $40 more and still no competition for an I3.

A lot of hold up is launch prices and lack of variety. An A8 at $150 doesn't look hot. But a $90 A6 might be the greatest thing since slice bread, if and when it happens.

The end result though is that it is a great proof of concept and should be somewhat profitable considering the quoted demand on at least the Laptop end which is the CPU's strong point. You can not get a 4 core CPU and graphics in a laptop of the shelf for a better value then it.

Trinity is when I expect it to get the the desktop love it deserves since it should be using if I read the road-map the same enhanced BD cores that Komodo will have.
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well it depends on what you think of as "competition" some of the x4s are fairly competitive with an i3-2100 , like say an x4 645.

and the llano does cost the same, and obviously beats it at things like graphics. granted you can always buy a graphics card, but as just cpus + igps you cant just say , oh an i3-2100 is faster because the cpu part is faster. if anything as AMD will tell you its not all about the CPU part anymore anyway (i mean i can't really think of anything i personally need a faster cpu than an athlon x4 for to begin with , though obviously some people can make use of more).. llano and the like is just another option. its like being able to buy a sedan, or an suv, or a sports car.
 
Yeah probably a driver issue. Multiple reviews of Llano mention oddities in performance, like Hybrid xFire being slower in some things than the APU alone, BD3D turned off, etc. It should all improve dramatically over time, unless AMD just decides to orphan llano and focus on next-gen stuff (unlikely imho).
 
Llano will probably end up a little faster in the end. The L2 cache size is doubled and apparently some fine-tuning has been done to the K10 architecture with Llano. It can probably overclock better, too.
 
Llano is awesome for laptops and htpc's. and home servers. for desktops, why? if you have the room to hold bigger/faster parts, then save the money and do so.
 
Gigantopithecus said:
$1 says it's the benchmark, not the CPU.
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+1.

Er, +$1. 😀

From their website:

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Ancient software. I'm not sure why anyone uses Sysmark these days (ever). Look at the other video benches and it benches nearly the same as the 635.
 
wirednuts said:
Llano is awesome for laptops and htpc's. and home servers. for desktops, why? if you have the room to hold bigger/faster parts, then save the money and do so.
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I agree mostly, I guess I'm making the "driving a Lamborghini in rush hour" argument. What good is a car that can do 200mph when your stuck in traffic? My mother plays bridge, surfs the web, and does email on her PC. Since Llano does everything she does and more, why not use it (assuming its cheaper, etc). I wouldn't get Llano for myself, I would go for the bigger/faster CPU, but I would benefit from bigger/faster.
 
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