Liz Warrens' swear jar

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Personally I think she is a newer version of Ted Kennedy, we need someone to be obsessed with the less fortunate.
Lets try to stay on topic thoughts about this idea? I support her thought that obviously penalties are too cheap because everyone opts for the Government fine.



Over the past 50 years, America’s medical innovations have transformed the health of billions of people around the world.

One way we’ve done that? Blockbuster drugs. Today, about 100 different drugs are used by so many people that each brings in more than a billion dollars a year in revenue. Just 10 drug companies generate more than $100 billion in sales for drugs that treat high cholesterol, diabetes, HIV, asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, breast cancer, colon cancer, and leukemia. Those drugs do a huge amount of good, but they also produce huge profits; over the past 20 years, profits for S&P 500 companies have been in the 5-10% range, while profits for the blockbuster drug companies have been in the 18-24% range.

Those very valuable blockbuster drugs don’t just appear overnight as if by magic. They are the end result of generations of huge taxpayer investments, principally through the National Institutes of Health. Drug companies make great contributions, but so do taxpayers. Put simply, the astonishing scientific and financial successes of the pharmaceutical industry have been built on a foundation of taxpayer investment.

With revolutionary new treatments and a giant drug industry built on blockbuster drugs, this should be a moment of great triumph. But in recent years, the American engine of medical innovation has begun to sputter. Why?

Government funding. Congress used to work in a non-political, bipartisan way to expand NIH funding. But instead of increasing the NIH budget at the pace of potential scientific innovation, budget cuts, sequestration, and other pressures mean that the NIH budget over the last decade hasn’t even kept up with the pace of inflation.

Drug companies. Over the last ten years, some of our wealthiest drug companies – the ones with those blockbuster billion-dollar drugs – have found another way to boost profits. In addition to selling life-changing cures, some of these companies are increasingly making money by skirting the law. They’ve been caught defrauding Medicare and Medicaid, withholding critical safety information about their drugs, marketing their drugs for uses they aren’t approved for, and giving doctors kickbacks for writing prescriptions for their drugs.
Between these two problems – shrinking government support for research and increased rule-breaking by companies that have blockbuster drugs – lies a solution: requiring those big-time drug companies that break the law to put more money into funding medical research.

That’s why I’m introducing the Medical Innovation Act to substantially increase federal funding for the National Institutes of Health.

Here’s how it works: Just like the big banks, when blockbuster drug companies break the law, they nearly always enter settlement agreements with the government, rather than going to trial.

Under the proposed Medical Innovation Act, those blockbuster drug companies that wanted to settle legal violations would be required to reinvest a relatively small portion of the profits they have generated as a result of federal research investments right back into the NIH.

This isn’t a tax. This is simply a condition of settling to avoid a trial in a major case of wrongdoing. If a company never breaks the law, it will never pay the fee. If an accused company goes to trial instead of settling out of court, it will never pay the fee – even if it loses the case. It’s like a swear jar – break the law and pay something forward that benefits everyone.

If this policy had been in place, over the past five years, NIH would have had about six billion more dollars every year to fund thousands of new grants to scientists and universities and research centers around the country. That’s nearly a 20% increase in NIH funding.

The Medical Innovation Act would substantially increase federal support for medical research without increasing the deficit or cutting other critical programs. Sign up now to show your support.

With too many in Congress willing to sit by and watch the NIH starve – and too many in pharmaceutical industry willing to make a quick buck by breaking the law, it’s easy for cynicism to set in – and it’s easy for us to forget the commitments that we’ve all made to each other.

Today we are choking off support for projects that could lead to the next major breakthrough against cancer, heart disease, Ebola, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, or other deadly conditions. We’re starving projects that could transform the lives of our children on the autism spectrum. We’re suffocating breakthrough ideas that would give new hope to those with ALS.

That’s not who we are. We are not a nation that abandons the sick. We are nation of people who invest in each other – because we know that when we work together, we all do better. We’ve done it for generations – and for generations, we have led the world in medical innovation.

It is time to renew our commitment – our commitment to our children, to our parents and to ourselves. I hope you’ll stand with me in this fight.

Thank you for being a part of this,

Elizabeth
 

PokerGuy

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Personally I think she is a newer version of Ted Kennedy,

Another drunk idiot who kills someone and gets away with it? Warren is a hypocrite, liar and idiot, but I don't think she's killed anyone yet ;)

we need someone to be obsessed with the less fortunate.
Are you one of those people that actually fell for that crap and believed it? The only way it's true is if you define "less fortunate" to mean "his cronies".

Lets try to stay on topic thoughts about this idea? I support her thought that obviously penalties are too cheap because everyone opts for the Government fine.
It's an absolutely stupid idea. First, it starts off with a false premise that NIH has been "starved" for funding. Oh, it's so horrible, the budget went from $17.8 billion to $29.1 billion from 2000 to 2013. My goodness, how could any agency endure such austerity?? That level of funding is pretty much EXACTLY on pace with the growth rate of the economy as a whole (as measured by GDP) - both grew by 63% over that time span.

Another false premise:
They are the end result of generations of huge taxpayer investments, principally through the National Institutes of Health
NIH has a total budget of 29 billion, part of which funds research. Private business spends about $70 billion in research. So no, progress is not the result of "principally" the NIH spending. I do agree NIH contributes greatly to medical research.

Bottom line, if you want to fund NIH, fund it. Hold companies accountable when they violate the laws and collect the fines. No need for some stupid "swear jar" mechanism. I'm also not in favor of using penalties as a funding mechanism. That's essentially what many local governments/PD's do around the country, and you see what that leads to. If you want to fund it, do that. Collect penalties and those go into the general fund.
 
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Everyone is welcome to their own opinion.

I like that she appears to be bright and asks good questions...

Uno
 

nickqt

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Warren is a decent politician. She's extremely intelligent and understands the actual issues. She was on the middle class crunch way before it was relatively mainstream, as it is now.

Here is how you fix a whole lot of things.

End the "free trade" scam and bring back the (effective) tax schemes and tariffs that existed before we decided to let corporations run the government through their lobbyists.

I'm not sure why the US government should be a proponent of businesses that are international, and don't give a sh-t about the US, its workers, laws, and environment.

If you have enough money, you aren't a citizen of a country. You are a sovereign entity that doesn't care who is or isn't doing well in the country of your birth or residency. Otherwise, you wouldn't be squeezing as much profits out of those people as possible. Period.
 

ivwshane

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I think she understands the financial issues and some domestic issues as well, but I don't think I could say the same about her foreign policy.

Warren is a decent politician. She's extremely intelligent and understands the actual issues. She was on the middle class crunch way before it was relatively mainstream, as it is now.

Here is how you fix a whole lot of things.

End the "free trade" scam and bring back the (effective) tax schemes and tariffs that existed before we decided to let corporations run the government through their lobbyists.

I'm not sure why the US government should be a proponent of businesses that are international, and don't give a sh-t about the US, its workers, laws, and environment.

If you have enough money, you aren't a citizen of a country. You are a sovereign entity that doesn't care who is or isn't doing well in the country of your birth or residency. Otherwise, you wouldn't be squeezing as much profits out of those people as possible. Period.
 

nickqt

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I think she understands the financial issues and some domestic issues as well, but I don't think I could say the same about her foreign policy.

The US is an Empire.

Serious™ politicians have to be very, very careful about how they refer to our government. Not that I like RonRand Inc. very much, but see what happens when you speak openly about the US Government and its Empire. You get hushed and told to go sit in a corner somewhere, even when you have a decent size political following.

Euphemisms and the dumbing-down of the population through TV/entertainment is doing all of us a massive disservice. Well, except for the people who own and operate the country. Those things are working as intended for their goals.
 

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I am diametrically opposed to Warren on many issues, but frankly I've been impressed with some of her proposals, this one included. I can't help thinking that as President, she might not be that bad. If not for her typically proggies Second Amendment views, I could vote for the lady. Even when I disagree with her on an issue, I often admire her proposal, as with this one. I do not agree that the NIH is underfunded and I'm no fan of its stance on patents which lead to a modest windfall for the university and a huge windfall for the private company, but I like her proposed fix. And I like her stance that when corporations willingly break the law, the people making those decisions are criminally liable.

Fauxcahontus 2016?
 

werepossum

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I think she understands the financial issues and some domestic issues as well, but I don't think I could say the same about her foreign policy.
Damn you for quoting that. Now I have to take it off "Ignore" since it made a salient point.
 

nickqt

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Damn you for quoting that. Now I have to take it off "Ignore" since it made a salient point.

I've been making salient points.

I'm new here. When I first started posting, I was called an idiot librul, accused of being a previously-banned account and a shill second account, by multiple people. Etc.

Treat me like an idiot, and I'll hold up the mirror. I've responded/quoted you multiple times, although I guess I was on ignore, so you couldn't see them. You seem reasonable, although I'm sure we disagree on more things than we agree on.

I'm more than willing to be reasonable and respectful, as long as I'm not called names simply because my ideas/politics differ from yours. Or being accused of something because my post count isn't in the thousands.

Yes, Virginia, I am new here. I mostly used AnandTech for info without making an account, but finally made one to ask a specific router question. I've stayed because I enjoy debate.
 

bozack

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I feel like I need a shower after reading this OP, here we have another limo liberal that pretends to care about those with which she cannot relate and essentially lied about her background for personal gain and has done little if anything since being put into office, why should anyone care about her at this point again? oh wait yeah, because she is being billed as the next great hopeful in the far left democrat machine for prez, carry on then, carry on.
 
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You just gotta love how the left picks their role models.

Can an alcoholic ever redeem themselves? Yes it was wrong.

Back on topic, like appreciate her simple stance on keeping businesses honest.
I loved when she asked bank regulators what was the last time a bank went to trial and why so many regulators take jobs in industries they used to regulate. Honestly even someone who hates Warren has to find it suspicious that regulator's give easy passes then accept higher paying jobs working for the people they gave the nearly free pass to.
 

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The CBD is the main reason capital concentrates in the hands of the few. Every CBDive believes he is a special snowflake whom, by means of a massive effort, titanic self abnegation, and the rewards of will and Divine Providence, believes himself deserving of and soon to become vastly wealth and that this pot of gold just around the next corner, can be had only in an unregulated society. This, of course, is dementia. but of a very nasty kind as we can see in the kind words spoken about Elizabeth Warren. They choose the very words that describe themselves.
 

kage69

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If anything you gotta love how banana republicans pick their pariahs. Ted Kennedy is a killer behind the wheel, who got away with it!


You know, like Laura Bush. I've always thought it's a shame neither had to face the music like normal people would, but the difference in how each person dealt with the tragedy has always struck me as another example of just how full of shit republicans can be when they start droning on about faith, love, forgiveness, etc.

With respect to the financial side of things and all of the Wall Street skulldoggery that's occurred since 2007, I think you've either got to be a paid shill or completely fucking retarded to listen to Warren and think somehow what she put on a college form decades ago somehow invalidates her refreshing and unafraid views. Raise that flag high up guys, try to keep that smile on your face despite the egg everywhere. The country needs you to keep it up for the next two years.
 

theeedude

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Roger that. Hillary ain't getting no sugar from me.

I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, not that it matters here in CA. But in primary, I am voting for a true progressive. DLC Dems are better than GOP, but long term, it's not going to cut it.
 

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I support her and am thinking about making a Warren-2016 bumper-sticker for my car.

But on this particular policy I think the headwinds may be too great. The drug company lobby is like the others; they're in the pocket of so many.

With soaring profits and extremely controlled costs you would hope that these corporations would assist the NIH without having to have done something wrong. That would be a {gasp} tax. Why are we so afraid of that word? It pays for everything from potholes to NFL stadiums. It can't pay for this?

Yes, I know these are the rantings of a hopeless liberal whose ideas and words are cancelled out by only two; Drug Lobby. I'm afraid Liz's idea is doomed to the same fate.

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If anything you gotta love how banana republicans pick their pariahs. Ted Kennedy is a killer behind the wheel, who got away with it!


You know, like Laura Bush. I've always thought it's a shame neither had to face the music like normal people would, but the difference in how each person dealt with the tragedy has always struck me as another example of just how full of shit republicans can be when they start droning on about faith, love, forgiveness, etc.

With respect to the financial side of things and all of the Wall Street skulldoggery that's occurred since 2007, I think you've either got to be a paid shill or completely fucking retarded to listen to Warren and think somehow what she put on a college form decades ago somehow invalidates her refreshing and unafraid views. Raise that flag high up guys, try to keep that smile on your face despite the egg everywhere. The country needs you to keep it up for the next two years.

Excellent point however DUI laws didn't exist in most states until the 80's and many fatalities were considered true accidents. Different time, this doesn't mean either incident was fine or that influence wasn't used.
 

hal2kilo

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I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, not that it matters here in CA. But in primary, I am voting for a true progressive. DLC Dems are better than GOP, but long term, it's not going to cut it.

I see you pay attention. You get the DLC thing. Then there's the Walmart thing and the Tyson foods things and... Yea, she's quite the liberal.
 

Franz316

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I'd vote for her, but she will have a tough time competing with the Hilary freight train.
 

kage69

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Excellent point however DUI laws didn't exist in most states until the 80's and many fatalities were considered true accidents. Different time, this doesn't mean either incident was fine or that influence wasn't used.

Thank you. Kinda makes Ted's continuing life of penance all the more respectable really. Doesn't really apply to Laura as she killed someone without the assistance of alcohol.