Little Leage OWNAGE!

Dragoon42

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This actually happened. Your job is to decide whether it should have.

In a nine- and 10-year-old PONY league championship game in Bountiful, Utah, the Yankees lead the Red Sox by one run. The Sox are up in the bottom of the last inning, two outs, a runner on third. At the plate is the Sox' best hitter, a kid named Jordan. On deck is the Sox' worst hitter, a kid named Romney. He's a scrawny cancer survivor who has to take human growth hormone and has a shunt in his brain.

So, you're the coach: Do you intentionally walk the star hitter so you can face the kid who can barely swing?

Wait! Before you answer.... This is a league where everybody gets to bat, there's a four-runs-per-inning max, and no stealing until the ball crosses the plate. On the other hand, the stands are packed and it is the title game.

So ... do you pitch to the star or do you lay it all on the kid who's been through hell already?

Yanks coach Bob Farley decided to walk the star.

Parents booed. The umpire, Mike Wright, thought to himself, Low-ball move. In the stands, Romney's eight-year-old sister cried. "They're picking on Romney!" she said. Romney struck out. The Yanks celebrated. The Sox moaned. The two coaching staffs nearly brawled.

And Romney? He sobbed himself to sleep that night.

"It made me sick," says Romney's dad, Marlo Oaks. "It's going after the weakest chick in the flock."

Farley and his assistant coach, Shaun Farr, who recommended the walk, say they didn't know Romney was a cancer survivor. "And even if I had," insists Farr, "I'd have done the same thing. It's just good baseball strategy."

Romney's mom, Elaine, thinks Farr knew. "Romney's cancer was in the paper when he met with President Bush," she says. That was thanks to the Make-A-Wish people. "And [Farr] coached Romney in basketball. I tell all his coaches about his condition."

She has to. Because of his radiation treatments, Romney's body may not produce enough of a stress-responding hormone if he is seriously injured, so he has to quickly get a cortisone shot or it could be life-threatening. That's why he wears a helmet even in centerfield. Farr didn't notice?

The sports editor for the local Davis Clipper, Ben De Voe, ripped the Yankees' decision. "Hopefully these coaches enjoy the trophy on their mantle," De Voe wrote, "right next to their dunce caps."

Well, that turned Bountiful into Rancorful. The town was split -- with some people calling for De Voe's firing and describing Farr and Farley as "great men," while others called the coaches "pathetic human beings." They "should be tarred and feathered," one man wrote to De Voe. Blogs and letters pages howled. A state house candidate called it "shameful."

What the Yankees' coaches did was within the rules. But is it right to put winning over compassion? For that matter, does a kid who yearns to be treated like everybody else want compassion?

"What about the boy who is dyslexic -- should he get special treatment?" Blaine and Kris Smith wrote to the Clipper. "The boy who wears glasses -- should he never be struck out? ... NO! They should all play by the rules of the game."

The Yankees' coaches insisted that the Sox coach would've done the same thing. "Not only wouldn't I have," says Sox coach Keith Gulbransen, "I didn't. When their best hitter came up, I pitched to him. I especially wouldn't have done it to Romney."

Farr thinks the Sox coach is a hypocrite. He points out that all coaches put their worst fielder in rightfield and try to steal on the weakest catchers. "Isn't that strategy?" he asks. "Isn't that trying to win? Do we let the kid feel like he's a winner by having the whole league play easy on him? This isn't the Special Olympics. He's not retarded."

Me? I think what the Yanks did stinks. Strategy is fine against major leaguers, but not against a little kid with a tube in his head. Just good baseball strategy? This isn't the pros. This is: Everybody bats, one-hour games. That means it's about fun. Period.

What the Yankees' coaches did was make it about them, not the kids. It became their medal to pin on their pecs and show off at their barbecues. And if a fragile kid got stomped on the way, well, that's baseball. We see it all over the country -- the overcaffeinated coach who watches too much SportsCenter and needs to win far more than the kids, who will forget about it two Dove bars later.

By the way, the next morning, Romney woke up and decided to do something about what happened to him.

"I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday I'll be the one they walk."
 

jonessoda

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In real baseball, that's fine, but in real baseball somebody like that would never have been on a team. As little league, just let the little bastards have fun, cancer or no.

Edit: But WTF was somebody in such a condition doing playing baseball anyway? Fer christ's sake, the kid could kick it on the field and that would ruin the day for everyone.
 

Garet Jax

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I am torn.

On one hand the coach is there to teach his kids right from wrong. He is there to make sure his kids have fun and learn good life lessons.

On the other hand, a good life lesson is that people who are different normally don't like to be treated differently. They want the same opportunities as everyone else.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Link to Ownage"I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday I'll be the one they walk."
The little runt learned a valuable life lesson that day, and by the attitude he has in that quote, he learned it well. The problem with the world today is that kids are coddled in this naive blanket of "everyone is special" mediocrity.

Harsh words aside, this was a league founded upon the tenets of "everyone is special" mediocrity, and the game should have been played out that way.

 

fLum0x

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shrug. i would say you pitch to the player. if he hits it and your team cant get the out, you lost the game. Given, in MLB you can walk whoever you want whenever you want. No, they are not a cancer surviver...but they are not the best one out there. It is the same philosophy any way you look at it. Even if you walk him, they kids will know what happened and the kid that got walked still has bragging rights and will be a bully more than likely. The point is, the coaches should not feel confident their team is the best if they have to walk any of their players. Yes, they isnt strategic, but their team should be able to win without it if they are truly to be the champions.


just my 2 cents.
 

DBL

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I'd have walked the batter. It's your job as coach to put your team in the best position to win.

If the kid is so sick, why have him play in the first place? If he is just a bad player, who also happens to have cancer, then those angry are using his disease as an excuse.


 

imported_Zeke

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Originally posted by: jonessoda
In real baseball, that's fine, but in real baseball somebody like that would never have been on a team. As little league, just let the little bastards have fun, cancer or no.

Edit: But WTF was somebody in such a condition doing playing baseball anyway? Fer christ's sake, the kid could kick it on the field and that would ruin the day for everyone.

Sick people shouldn't be allowed to have fun, their possibe death is too much of a risk for inconvenience.
 

lokiju

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Well I feel that the kid shouldn't expect to be treated any different but on the other hand I think the coach should have been a little more sensitive to it considering it was a little league game and all.

Tough call and a touchy subject also.
 

PoPPeR

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Originally posted by: DBL
I'd have walked the batter. It's your job as coach to put your team in the best position to win.

If the kid is so sick, why have him play in the first place? If he is just a bad player, who also happens to have cancer, then those angry are using his disease as an excuse.
i very highly doubt that very many people agree that a little league's coach primary job is to make sure his team wins.

 

Eugechi

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I don't see anything wrong with walking the star hitter. How would you explain to the kids that was on the winning team that they should lose just to make this one kid feel better? Cancer or not, I think it's "justified".
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: PoPPeR
Originally posted by: DBL
I'd have walked the batter. It's your job as coach to put your team in the best position to win.

If the kid is so sick, why have him play in the first place? If he is just a bad player, who also happens to have cancer, then those angry are using his disease as an excuse.
i very highly doubt that very many people agree that a little league's coach primary job is to make sure his team wins.

IMO, if there is a championship game then the goal should be to win it. The game should be about having fun, yes, but having a championship puts more focus on competition. If they just want to look at it as a friendly game then they should do away with the championship.

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Eugechi
I don't see anything wrong with walking the star hitter. How would you explain to the kids that was on the winning team that they should lose just to make this one kid feel better? Cancer or not, I think it's "justified".

And there's the rub.
 

rsd

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I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

EDIT: and notice nine- and 10-year-old PONY league? Who cares if it is the "championship"? Likely they get to go to Friendly's after the game regardless of whether they win or lose it.
 

yllus

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I'd have walked the star and taken on the sick kid. Play to win, or don't play for a trophy at all.
 

Slap

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Dan Patrick was just talking about this on ESPN radio. He talked to the kids dad who now says it has been blown way out of proportion. I agree with what the coach did. Once you are done with tee ball and coach pitch, it is time to play to win and have fun along the way.
 

Dragoon42

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Originally posted by: rsd
I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

EDIT: and notice nine- and 10-year-old PONY league? Who cares if it is the "championship"? Likely they get to go to Friendly's after the game regardless of whether they win or lose it.

stfu stop crying. The point of little league is for all thsoe things, and win at the same time.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: rsd
I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

It should also be about how to handle winning and losing (part of sportsmanship). If they had walked the best hitter and the next batter hadn't been the sick kid no one would be saying a thing.
 

Eugechi

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Originally posted by: rsd
I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

EDIT: and notice nine- and 10-year-old PONY league? Who cares if it is the "championship"? Likely they get to go to Friendly's after the game regardless of whether they win or lose it.

BS.. so your idea of sportsmanship is to let the other team win because it's "right" and sensitive?
 

rsd

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Originally posted by: Eugechi
Originally posted by: rsd
I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

EDIT: and notice nine- and 10-year-old PONY league? Who cares if it is the "championship"? Likely they get to go to Friendly's after the game regardless of whether they win or lose it.

BS.. so your idea of sportsmanship is to let the other team win because it's "right" and sensitive?


So you're too scared to let your pitcher pitch to their best hitter? Give me a f'ing break.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: Eugechi
Originally posted by: rsd
I love how you internet jocks are defending this coach.

Give me a freaking break. In little league, the point is to have fun, teach sportmanship, and the game (and don't say this is what you are supposed to do strategy wise, because it isn't the freaking major leagues).

EDIT: and notice nine- and 10-year-old PONY league? Who cares if it is the "championship"? Likely they get to go to Friendly's after the game regardless of whether they win or lose it.

BS.. so your idea of sportsmanship is to let the other team win because it's "right" and sensitive?


So you're too scared to let your pitcher pitch to their best hitter? Give me a f'ing break.

Do you know what strategy is?
 

Triumph

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Yeah, I don't know one way or the other. It's a toss up. But if Cancer Boy had hit a home run, he'd be a star.