little bit of news on ATI and Nvidia

[otispunkmeyer]

link

anyone who goes to that could well be in for a treat....if they have working silicon and not just a powerpoint show lol

hopefully there'll be bench marks, albeit carefully chosen ones

 

[Malak]

Old news, already posted on Anandtech's front page yesterday

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: malak
Old news, already posted on Anandtech's front page yesterday

goddamit ..... cock off!

edit: i havent been to the front page in ages....my hompage is the forums

 

[Malak]

Honestly otis, maybe you should leave the video subforum. It's not my fault you limit yourself.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: malak
Honestly otis, maybe you should leave the video subforum. It's not my fault you limit yourself.

i do

OT, GH, and sometimes highly technical

but some people dont, thats all, some people actually do live here

 

[Acanthus]

This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

 

[SynthDude2001]

I do hope these things will be available this summer (the earlier, the better), and not just paper launched. I've got an itch to upgrade my Athlon XP system to an Athlon 64/PCI-E one...but it doesn't really make sense to do so until I can ditch my AGP 6800GT for a PCI-E R520 or G70. Luckily, I have a friend who wants to buy my 6800GT for 90% of what I paid for it last summer.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I do hope these things will be available this summer (the earlier, the better), and not just paper launched. I've got an itch to upgrade my Athlon XP system to an Athlon 64/PCI-E one...but it doesn't really make sense to do so until I can ditch my AGP 6800GT for a PCI-E R520 or G70. Luckily, I have a friend who wants to buy my 6800GT for 90% of what I paid for it last summer.

well it looks like a bit too much to ask considering the trend Nvidia and ATI(especially) followed the past 1 year but who knows, we may be in for a surprise. looking forward to the power of the new g70 and r520

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

how do u know it wont be a G70?? nvidia is not stupid to launch a dumb nv40 refresh like how ATI did with their x850 cards. nvidia even mentioned in december it was pointless releasing a refresh to their nv40 so im quite sure we will see the G70 at this launch.

 

[nitromullet]

This news is kind of odd. Consider last year's launch... Everyone knew that the press was under NDA and exactly what date the NDA would be lifted this close to the launch. Plus, there was a lot more details known about the architecture. It seems if they launch next month, we won't see any actual cards shipped for a long time. Either that, or this might not be a "launch", but rather an "unveiling". Who knows... we'll see I guess.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Acanthus
This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

how do u know it wont be a G70?? nvidia is not stupid to launch a dumb nv40 refresh like how ATI did with their x850 cards. nvidia even mentioned in december it was pointless releasing a refresh to their nv40 so im quite sure we will see the G70 at this launch.

It wont be G70, because G70 is to debut in the Playstation 3, slated for 2006.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is a MASSIVE chip, current die technology would make yeilds too low.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is rumored to use XDR technology, which would cause enormous shortages in the card as there arent many XDR makers.

Edit: There could still be some life in NV40 via 512MB cards, Increased core speeds due to process improvements, and 1.6ghz GDDR3.

A Geforce 6900 with 512MB of 1.6ghz GDDR3, fully functional PvP, SM3.0, and a 450 core would be a nice card (if they could keep it at a $499 MSRP, which likely wont be the case for either ATi or NV).

It is very likely we will see an NV40 refresh up against the R520, and it wont be pretty. The R520 should slaughter it.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Acanthus
This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

how do u know it wont be a G70?? nvidia is not stupid to launch a dumb nv40 refresh like how ATI did with their x850 cards. nvidia even mentioned in december it was pointless releasing a refresh to their nv40 so im quite sure we will see the G70 at this launch.

It wont be G70, because G70 is to debut in the Playstation 3, slated for 2006.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is a MASSIVE chip, current die technology would make yeilds too low.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is rumored to use XDR technology, which would cause enormous shortages in the card as there arent many XDR makers.

Edit: There could still be some life in NV40 via 512MB cards, Increased core speeds due to process improvements, and 1.6ghz GDDR3.

A Geforce 6900 with 512MB of 1.6ghz GDDR3, fully functional PvP, SM3.0, and a 450 core would be a nice card (if they could keep it at a $499 MSRP, which likely wont be the case for either ATi or NV).

It is very likely we will see an NV40 refresh up against the R520, and it wont be pretty. The R520 should slaughter it.

what u some insider in nvidia that u got u know the G70 is to be slated in the playstation?? how do u know all these details?? are u one of the guys working on their new chip?? dont make up ur own stupid facts and speak out of ur ass....the gpu to be put in the playstation is not the G70 by any stretch. the card in there is to be NV60 or whatever it is called. if nvidia wanted to launch a refresh they could have done it december to counter ATI's launch of their x850 cards. it would not take them 1 and a half year just to perfect a refresh!! this is not goin to be refresh!!! nvidia is not stupid to launch a damm refresh and put it up against a next generation card from ATI. there may be some life in the 6800 series no doubt but hardly anything to cheer about...would be useless putting any effort upgrading it.

dont make rumour into reality. no one knows what memory will be used in the G70 whether GDDR3 or XDR. if u believe everything the inquirer tells u well i guess ur a stupid dumass...

anyway we shall see what happens after a few weeks..pointless arguing on such a topic

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Acanthus
This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

how do u know it wont be a G70?? nvidia is not stupid to launch a dumb nv40 refresh like how ATI did with their x850 cards. nvidia even mentioned in december it was pointless releasing a refresh to their nv40 so im quite sure we will see the G70 at this launch.

It wont be G70, because G70 is to debut in the Playstation 3, slated for 2006.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is a MASSIVE chip, current die technology would make yeilds too low.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is rumored to use XDR technology, which would cause enormous shortages in the card as there arent many XDR makers.

Edit: There could still be some life in NV40 via 512MB cards, Increased core speeds due to process improvements, and 1.6ghz GDDR3.

A Geforce 6900 with 512MB of 1.6ghz GDDR3, fully functional PvP, SM3.0, and a 450 core would be a nice card (if they could keep it at a $499 MSRP, which likely wont be the case for either ATi or NV).

It is very likely we will see an NV40 refresh up against the R520, and it wont be pretty. The R520 should slaughter it.

what u some insider in nvidia that u got u know the G70 is to be slated in the playstation?? how do u know all these details?? are u one of the guys working on their new chip?? dont make up ur own stupid facts and speak out of ur ass....the gpu to be put in the playstation is not the G70 by any stretch. the card in there is to be NV60 or whatever it is called. if nvidia wanted to launch a refresh they could have done it december to counter ATI's launch of their x850 cards. it would not take them 1 and a half year just to perfect a refresh!! this is not goin to be refresh!!! nvidia is not stupid to launch a damm refresh and put it up against a next generation card from ATI. there may be some life in the 6800 series no doubt but hardly anything to cheer about...would be useless putting any effort upgrading it.

dont make rumour into reality. no one knows what memory will be used in the G70 whether GDDR3 or XDR. if u believe everything the inquirer tells u well i guess ur a stupid dumass...

anyway we shall see what happens after a few weeks..pointless arguing on such a topic

None of the information i have is from the inquirer.

The G70 is the NV5X chip, which is what is supposed to be going in the PS3.

Again I must reiterate that without a die shrink, a 32 pipe chip would make the core massive.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Again I must reiterate that without a die shrink, a 32 pipe chip would make the core
massive.

And you think it's a 32 pipe chip because.....?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: Acanthus
This will not be G70, itll be an NV40 refresh.

Its way too early for G70, although id love to see it come out this soon, I dont see 550mil transistor chips flying around this year.

how do u know it wont be a G70?? nvidia is not stupid to launch a dumb nv40 refresh like how ATI did with their x850 cards. nvidia even mentioned in december it was pointless releasing a refresh to their nv40 so im quite sure we will see the G70 at this launch.

It wont be G70, because G70 is to debut in the Playstation 3, slated for 2006.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is a MASSIVE chip, current die technology would make yeilds too low.

It wont be G70 because the G70 is rumored to use XDR technology, which would cause enormous shortages in the card as there arent many XDR makers.

Edit: There could still be some life in NV40 via 512MB cards, Increased core speeds due to process improvements, and 1.6ghz GDDR3.

A Geforce 6900 with 512MB of 1.6ghz GDDR3, fully functional PvP, SM3.0, and a 450 core would be a nice card (if they could keep it at a $499 MSRP, which likely wont be the case for either ATi or NV).

It is very likely we will see an NV40 refresh up against the R520, and it wont be pretty. The R520 should slaughter it.

Maybe they've managed a shrink in transistors to 90nm and increase clock. They might bee able to push it to 24 pipelines (both similiar to the rumors of r520).

Personally I think that there will only be a few if any new functions build into the chip from nvidia, while ATi will implement SM3.0. So I think that both cards will be very similar in functions and which company who have implemented ithese best, gaining the upper hand in performance........we'll have to see.
If nVidia hasn't still is going on 110nm while ATi can deliver enough 90nm chips I think ATi will win, but formerly ATi always introduce new processes in their midrange cards first, so they might end up with a nv30 (lets hope not).
I'm looking very much forward to these cards at computex

 

[Drayvn]

From what i read ATi are the only ones doing 90nm at the moment

nVidia is at 110nm

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
From what i read ATi are the only ones doing 90nm at the moment

nVidia is at 110nm

Yeah, but all is still on rumour level, nothing has officially been confirmed.

 

[Zebo]

need a new GPU for X2 I hope I can get one by july. 6800gt @ 445/1200 just too slow.

 

[Pete]

Acanthus, you think PS3 is going to get a 32 pipe, 550M transistor GPU? Sounds like Sony'll be taking a bath on that one if they want to hit $300, even in 2006.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Zebo
need a new GPU for X2 I hope I can get one by july. 6800gt @ 445/1200 just too slow.

A second 6800gt?

Im stuck in limbo between Socket A/AGP and Socket 939/PCI-E. The sooner the new generation of Graphics Cards come out, the better for me.

 

[Bateluer]

I doubt it will be a refresh of the NV40 myself, it just wouldn't make much sense. A lot of people already have 6800 GTs, and even with a 450 core, 512MB of RAM, and 1.6Ghz DDR3, it just wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to convince people to drop 600 USD on a new video card so soon.

I also doubt it will be a 32 pipeline GPU, as people have already said, even at a 90nm process, it'd be huge. Maybe it will be a G70, but it'd another 16 or 24 pipeline chip.

Either way, we'll find out at the end of the month.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Zebo
need a new GPU for X2 I hope I can get one by july. 6800gt @ 445/1200 just too slow.

A second 6800gt?

Im stuck in limbo between Socket A/AGP and Socket 939/PCI-E. The sooner the new generation of Graphics Cards come out, the better for me.

Socket A? :Q That's been dead-end for quite a while now, and I wouldn't at all suggest building a new Socket A system. You can get a cheap A64 and Socket 939 board even if you still want to stay with AGP....

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Zebo
need a new GPU for X2 I hope I can get one by july. 6800gt @ 445/1200 just too slow.

A second 6800gt?

Im stuck in limbo between Socket A/AGP and Socket 939/PCI-E. The sooner the new generation of Graphics Cards come out, the better for me.

I'm not happy with this solution. Price/performance, power req, heat into my loop, 2 x waterblock fitment, and re-sale has me hesitant considering the rumors I've read on R520 upcoming to stomp. I seriously been considering two GT's...lets just see around the corner.

PS a GT alone is a hot mofo..hotter than any A64 OCed.

EDIT: I forgot another thing that stopped me... All those SLI chipsets are fanned!!! With no way to make them passive cooled or water block cooled since they sit directly under second GPU. I don't do fans. especially loud ass high rpm 60mm ones.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Zebo
EDIT: I forgot another thing that stopped me... All those SLI chipsets are fanned!!! With no way to make them passive cooled or water block cooled since they sit directly under GPUs. I don't do fans. especially loud ass high rpm 60mm ones.

This is a bit OT for this thread, but how difficult (and costly) would it be for a water-cooling n00b such as myself to set up a system that would cool noticeably better than an air solution? With my current CPU fan screaming away at 4800RPM (even though it's worth it to me for a 933MHz overclock), a silent computer would be a nice change of pace (especially if it contained an A64 X2 and an R520 ).

 

[Zebo]

Depends on your case, and how handy you are,tools you have, and how quiet you want as to price. Can be as little as $150 total including GPU and as high as $700.