we're nearly there chaps, almost 1k pages to this thread. I sure hope we will do the reasonable thing and start a third thread once we get to 1k.
I watched again
The Thirteenth Floor -
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/reference/
Cyberpunk-ish film about virtual reality, kinda.
In 1999 two computer entrepreneurs + their boss run a VR project. The boss decided this would be 1937 Los Angeles because of reasons. This boss guy often jacks in the simulation (to bang 1930s tail). One day, he is shown to write a message on a letter, and goes to a bartender and says "this guy will come and ask for this, please give it to him".
He is then murdered IRL.
Later in 1999 the two guys find about the death of the guy IRL. A cop shows up. A blonde Dame also shows up.
The protagonist A jacks into the VR to see if he can find anything about boss, but runs into protagonist B.
Note that both protagonist B and one of the two computer guys are played by the same actor, Vince D'Onofrio. Protagonist A and his alter-ego in the simulation are also played by the same actor.
Protagonist A goes to find the Dame, and discovers she ain't real. He then goes back into the VR and runs again into protagonist B;
They have a confrontation where B found the message from boss that was meant for A, but kept it to himself. Because of this message, B has discovered that he is not real, but only a character in a simulation. There is some fighting and A discovers that the meaning of the message applies to him as well, the IRL world of 1999 LA isn't real either.
!CYBERP0NK !!
Anyway, the Dame shows up again and explains she is from the REAL real world. in 2024.
A last-minute reverse deus-ex machina happens when the actual, hitherto unseen antagonist shows up; a user from 2024 jacks into the body of protagonist A, but the Dame beats him and she WINS by having protagonist A download into the 2024 body of the bad guy because she has fallen in love with him.
eeeeeh .
I always thought this film was weak, and i mean weak under every point. The photography is shockingly bad, everything is blue or sepia. D'Onofrio as always puts in his best psychopath act but the film so constantly loses focus of the character narrative that it's even hard to understand what is going on, much less get caught up in a story.
If you want to see a film about the world not being real,
Dark City is far better. Or, idk,
Paycheck. or
Reminiscence.
Instead i think that 13 just tells a story in the blandest way possible, without putting any effort into building suspense or trying to make an impression on the viewer. And, direction and production reeeeally do not help here, with director J
osef Rusnak's career being a solid 5/10 throughout and one of his films falling as low as 3/10.
Would not recommend. The plot is decent enough, thought in no way revolutionary or even 100% solid - why did boss guy have to send a message via the VR, to someone they can talk to on the phone ? - but the rest of the film just never really creates a decent suspension of disbelief or a appreciable cognitive thread. The "Noir" aspects of the film are particularly bad, it's obvious that director-guy has no concept of pacing and of what needs or doesn't need importance.
A mediocre film that should only be on a checklist of "yes i watched everything cyberpunk". 6/10 for the aficionados of the genre,
5/10 for everyone else.
no seriously; Comedy Central did the same kinda film in a 3-minute skit.