Sheik Yerbouti
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- Feb 16, 2005
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you're a 1 trick pony, horsey. So you'd let all of these people who killed 100,000's of people based on lies get away with it? It's 2006 and they're still playing the game like it's 2002, maybe they need to come up with a viable solution other than 'we will win' 'stay the course' 'victory is our strategy'. dumbya couldn't find his way out of a maze on the back of Denny's childrens menu, good luck with Iraq.
If this nation is really lucky, we'll get a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress that will have the balls to investigate this administration and, despite Nancy Pelosi's statement to the contrary, if they find conclusive proof that their actions were sufficiently criminal, they will proceed with the impeachment of Bush and Cheney and their removal from office long before November, 2008.
I personally believe a strong case can be made to try and convict Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Feif and the rest of the neocon Bushwhakcos for treason among other high crimes. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
Some of you seem to forget that we are no longer fighting against the Iraqi regime. We are fighting against terrorists, the same that would love at the chance to come to our own soil to kill a few innocent Americans. The people we are fighting has certainly changed from 2003 when we entered the war. This is now a war on terrorists, not a war on Iraq.
palehorse
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- Dec 21, 2005
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so if you got your wish and both house and senate changed hands, you'd want their energy focused on investigations and prosecutions in lieu of solving the problems in Iraq and elsewhere?!?! Well that just about sums up why we never agree on anything, and why I hope the votes go against you. You're (the left) too busy placing blame on everyone to concentrate on what really matters. no f'n thankyou.
I don't think you get it. Many Iraqis were happy to see Saddam gone, but they were humiliated by the occupation. They were humiliated that the Iraqi military was routed so badly. The Abu Gharib scandal and collateral casualties only make the average guy on the street more angry at the occupation.
I'll say this again -- it's the justice of the cause being fought, not the # of war dead, that determines support for a war. Afghanistan is a just war being fought against people who attacked the US. The Iraq war is NOT. And in case you don't remember, NONE of the Al Quaeda hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis.
If the casualties in Afghanistan were as high as they are in Iraq, I would still support the Afghan campaign.
umbrella39
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- Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: hellokeith
* Brutal Baathist dictatorship overthrown - no more regime sponsored rape rooms
* Saddam captured and on trial - despite all attempts to stop the trial
* Saddam's criminal sons killed
* New Constitution
* Elections - an estimated 8 million people, 60 percent of eligible voters, braved violence and ignored calls for a boycott to go vote
* New Government
* Foreign terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed and
* Al Qaeda leadership in Iraq smashed
* Thousands of new Iraqi police trained - new recruits still lining up despite attacks
* Tens of thousands of new Iraqi troops trained
It is undeniable that the US+Iraq relationship is strong and making significant progress.
Other accomplishments: education, health, water & sanitation, electricity, transportation, and telecommunications
Thanks for forwarding your bullet points to us. Let us know when you get the mass email that states that the Iraqis have taken controll of their own GD country and our men and women can come home. K thx bye.
I would disagree. I would be inclined to say that more of our soldiers in recent months have died as a result to terrorists associated with the multi-national terrorist group, Al Qaeda, than any Iraqi civilian or soldier.
You mean the ones that weren't in Iraq before Bush invaded?
And according to most experts, they're winning more converts to their cause in other parts of the Islamic world simply because our troops are still in Iraq, thanks to all of the administration's piss poor planning and bungling.
AFIC, the worst terrorist threats to our nation are from 1600 Pennsylvania Av NW, Washington, DC. That's the current headquarters for the terrorists who, so far, have taken this nation to war based on lies that cost the lives of nearly 3,000 American troops and tens of thousands more wounded. That's more than the all of the deaths and injuries from 9-11. They've also shredded the U.S. Constitution with unwarranted domestic spying on American citizens, imprisoned U.S. citizens while denying them their right to have legal counsel, to see the evidence to support the charges against them or even to hear the specifications of such charges. Now, on his sole authorization, the President can name any American citizen as an enemy combatant and deprive him/her of every right specified in the Constitution.
You want terrorists? THAT is terrorism! THAT is totalitarianism! THAT is the adminstration of George W. Bush!
This administration is a greater threat to America and Americans than Osama Bin Laden could ever be because, unlike Osama and his followers and wannabes, they are HERE on American soil, and they have the reins of the American government in their hands. :| :| :|
The presence of US forces is the only thing that is perpetuating Iraq as a battleground for idiot lunatics.
Foreign fighters go there precisely because there are Americans they can target. If the US leaves, the Sunnis and Shiites will continue to fight, but the foreigners with no stake in the sectarian violence will have no incentive to go there.
Every day the US stays in Iraq, the terrorists there are getting additional training on how to kill US forces. Every day the US stays in Iraq is further propoganda ammo for the terrorists to prove that the big bad US empire wants to occupy Muslim lands.
And you'd want to allow the Bushwhackos to continue to metastasize and eat the last vestiges of our Constitutional rights and freedoms.
the Republicans cooked up a hyper-extended media circus crawling all over Clinton and the stain on Monica's dress. Clinton was wrong for dishonoring the office of the President and for lying about it. But unlike Bush, his lies didn't cost thousands of lives, trillions of dollars and the moral leadership and honor of the the nation throughout the world.
If you don't think the administration's crimes are worth close public scrutiny, we may as well concede defeat to the dictator and trash our entire system of legal justice because it simply will not exist if we are willing to ignore them. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
Interesting. While I agree I was wrong that they were affiliated with Al Qaeda, this made it clear that we are still countering militia groups inside of Iraq and not the same Saddam Hussein loyalists we were countering going into the war.
palehorse
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Or I can just wait until 2008 and replace the Admin with the better candidate that runs. They then can implement whatever changes are necessary to conclude our efforts in Iraq. That's the beauty of democracy... we can and will have the opportunity to right any wrongs through the power of a vote. If the American people truly believe in a change to our war efforts, then their votes will reflect as much in the next Presidential election. I much prefer that to the possibility of endless investigations, circus-like trials, and the lack of focus that would ensue if the primary focus of the next Admin is on prosecuting the last Admin. The focus needs to be kept on winning the war in Iraq. To "win," we must end our "occupation" with a more stable government in place than there is now. Whatever it takes to get there is what I want to see announced by our next set of candidates. The minute one of them utters the phrase "and we will charge Bush with war crimes...yada yada", they will immediately lose my vote.
Keep the focus on winning in Iraq and find a way to do so. That probably isn't the solution Bush has in progress now, but, believe it or not, I'm game for getting rid of Rumsfeld (Wormtongue) and hearing Plan B. It just cannot involve war crimes tribunals for Bush and cutting and running from Iraq. I down for anything beyond those two non-solutions. go for it! Surprise me! Blow me away with a new tactic to end Iraq more peacefully and efficiently!
Sound like a deal?
In my humble opinion just voting on Democratic party tickets solely because you do not like and or agree with the republican president is absurd. Reasoning like that is what tends to get us into these situations in the first place. Look at what happened after the Clinton administration, a good majority of the people who did not like how the Democrats were running things leaned more towards republican tickets and that is why we are in this state to begin with so turning that around will not solve the problem at hand. Dont just blindly vote on a name or party, you should be voting on a person whome you feel is the right man for the job. It should go beyond party affiliations. IMHO you should be voting for the person behind the party and not the party itself.
All of this is my personal opinion, comming from all that I have come to know. I pray that whoever is voted into congress are the people we need to be there, whether that person be Democrat, Republican or Independant. Please, do not vote on someone just because they belong to a particular party. Vote on them because you feel they best fit the job.
NO DEAL! Whether we consider them arch traitors or criminally inept, we can't afford to allow the Bushwhackos to remain anywhere near any positions of power. Any part of the government they haven't already corrupted is still inept at doing their assigned job.
Right now, the biggest threat to the U.S. Constitution and our American democratic republic is at the very head of our government, and what this country needs is the functional equivalent of the French cure for the migrain... the guillotine.
I do NOT mean physically beheading them, but Bush, Cheney and their entire cadre of fools all need to be severed from any positiion of authority or influence over this nation, and we can't afford to wait two years for that to happen.
Wow, definitely something I can agree with. I dislike the idea of being a partyline voter. I will be voting for a pretty good mixture of the two, I know that.
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