List of civil liberties lost due to Patriot Act/ Bush administration

[Lucky]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.story



Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

 

[308nato]

First time you lose any of these rights let me know.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: 308nato
First time you lose any of these rights let me know.

too bad i wont be able to let you know.

 

[SuperTool]

I don't see what the big deal is.
I lived in USSR without those freedoms no problem. General Secretary Bush knows what he is doing

 

[LaBang]

I love my country but I hate my government.

 

[Nitemare]

You still have the right to b!tch on anandtech, so why are you complaining?


I'd much rather have my life and complaining about some minor rights violations, than dead and dieing because my country let the enemy inside beacause a bunch of fruitcakes were screaming about their civil rights. Bottomline is if you are a terrorist and intent on killing people, you have the right to death and nothing more, if you do not have an executioner one can be provided for you

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: 308nato
First time you lose any of these rights let me know.

He's already lost them, so have I, so have you. WTF don't people understand this?

 

[JellyBaby]

The United States Constitution, Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

 

[Insomnium]

Amendment means change, things changed after 9/11 to secure our saftey so deal with it. No one envisioned planes crashing into skyscrapers in 1783.

 

[SuperTool]

I'd much rather have my life and complaining about some minor rights violations

But years from now, when you are old and dying in your bed, would you give all days from this one to then to come back here and tell the terrorists that they can take our lives, but they will never take our freedom

 

[woodie1]

So, didn't Congress have anything to do with this. Surely George isn't King yet.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Lucky
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.story



Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

When you find the pertinent parts of the Patriot Act or another law that takes away the rights you have listed ( that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday) please post them here. I would love to discuss them with you. Try to do your own thinking and evaluating. Don't rely on someone else to do it for you. Thank you.

 

[Lucky]

that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday

The ones that came from the Associated Press you mean?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Lucky

that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday

The ones that came from the Associated Press you mean?

newsday web site written by the AP. Whatever. It's hardly the point.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Insomnium
Amendment means change, things changed after 9/11 to secure our saftey so deal with it. No one envisioned planes crashing into skyscrapers in 1783.

Try telling that to the NRA about the 2nd Amendment. It was intended for the US citizens to have weapons to be able to field a militia against a foreign invader. Today, people forget about the militia part.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Originally posted by: Lucky
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.story



Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

When you find the pertinent parts of the Patriot Act or another law that takes away the rights you have listed ( that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday) please post them here. I would love to discuss them with you. Try to do your own thinking and evaluating. Don't rely on someone else to do it for you. Thank you.

What do you mean it's not true? It's sitting right infront of your face. It doesen't bother you that your rights are being taken away? :Q

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Originally posted by: Lucky

that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday

The ones that came from the Associated Press you mean?

newsday web site written by the AP. Whatever. It's hardly the point.

The point is that the patriot act alone is 342 pages. I rely on credible news sources-the Associated Press one of them- for exactly this reason. You dont read the entire tax code when the IRS makes a few changes do you?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Originally posted by: Lucky
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.story



Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

When you find the pertinent parts of the Patriot Act or another law that takes away the rights you have listed ( that's not true I should say the ones you copied from Newsday) please post them here. I would love to discuss them with you. Try to do your own thinking and evaluating. Don't rely on someone else to do it for you. Thank you.

What do you mean it's not true? It's sitting right infront of your face. It doesen't bother you that your rights are being taken away? :Q

If you can find anywhere in my post, kid, where I have said it's not true I'll kiss your ass. What I do think is that there are some half-truths, innuendo and sensationalism in that very short article. My point is that if you are going to post this as fact you better be able to back it up. Since there are actual laws, case histories, etc., etc readily available the smart person would find these to educate himself instead of relying on this type of article.

This topic has been debated ad naseum here however it is one that is worth doing repeatedly. Let's do it intelligently. I recently heard something that I think adds a lot of insight to what the Justice Dept. has been doing but I will save it for later.

 

[UltraQuiet]

The point is that the patriot act alone is 342 pages. I rely on credible news sources-the Associated Press one of them- for exactly this reason. You dont read the entire tax code when the IRS makes a few changes do you?

I have read the Patriot Act several times and yes I would read it 1.if it applied to me or 2. I wanted to have a credible argument to debate itor 3. I couldn't find a very detailed summary of the changes. The article you cited could have said that we suspended habeas corpus and you wouldn't have known the difference.

It's really a shame that the only one on this board who has ever been able to intelligently discuss the PA is czar. He's not even an American. Sad

 

[Lucky]

Fair enough. Just tell us what is inaccurrate with the article, or what it claims has taken place that has not.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Lucky
Fair enough. Just tell us what is inaccurrate with the article, or what it claims has taken place that has not.

I will do it for one of the issues above. I apologize because the link I have been using for the PA is not working however in regards to the blurb about searches- Yes it is in the PA that the serving of a warrant can be delayed if the court finds that the delay would have caused evidence to be lost. I believe this is the pertinent language.

`(b) DELAY- With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if--

`(1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705);
`(2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property, any wire or electronic communication (as defined in section 2510), or, except as expressly provided in chapter 121, any stored wire or electronic information, except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and
`(3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.

 

[the_heathen]

You still have the right to b!tch on anandtech, so why are you complaining?


I'd much rather have my life and complaining about some minor rights violations, than dead and dieing because my country let the enemy inside beacause a bunch of fruitcakes were screaming about their civil rights. Bottomline is if you are a terrorist and intent on killing people, you have the right to death and nothing more, if you do not have an executioner one can be provided for you

This was posted by Nitemare in on 9/12/2002. There are many posts by others that are very similar here and on other forums. I wonder what these persons and all the others across our nation say, after blindly supporting the Republican party and George W. Bush as they pushed through and first inflicted the Patriot Act upon our nation. Do they say "I, as a Republican, am to blame for this by supporting those who came up with the PATRIOT Act, and not only did nothing at all to even attempt to stop it, but championed it while my party was in power. Now that I have come to see the mistakes of my party for what they are, please, Mr. Obama, while I would have had a fit if you had not renewed the PATRIOT Act when it recently came up for a revote, I now see why Liberals have always had a problem with it and encourage you to do the right thing, which my party, the Republicans, did not do, and rescind this law."

 

[Sonikku]

It's worth it every day a hijacked airliner doesn't kamikaze into my apartment.