Linux Questions

[ronbo613]

As a casual Ubuntu user, I rarely venture into the *nix forum, but I always ask a few stupid questions while I'm here, so here they are:

Can you dual boot a Linux server and desktop OS? Just like a dual boot Linux/Windows, only Linux Server/Linux Desktop.

Helping a friend try to install Ubuntu on his computers with AMD processors, there were incompatibility errors(forgot exactly what they were) and Ubuntu wouldn't install. I recall searching for this issue without any real solution. Any experience with this problem?

Finally, why hasn't a good Linux video editor evolved? A "pro" quality photo and video editor is the only thing keeping me on Windows. I've given enough money to Adobe over the years, would love to not be a future customer.

 

[Essence_of_War]

Can you dual boot a Linux server and desktop OS? Just like a dual boot Linux/Windows, only Linux Server/Linux Desktop.

Absolutely. What problem do you hope to solve with the server os?

Finally, why hasn't a good Linux video editor evolved? A "pro" quality photo and video editor is the only thing keeping me on Windows. I've given enough money to Adobe over the years, would love to not be a future customer.

Because OSX has Final Cut and Premiere. And Adobe doesn't care about your money because the user base for Linux (even Ubuntu) is so small compared to the number of video professionals on windows and OSX.

Have you tried OpenShot yet?

 

[lxskllr]

Your amd issue... Did you try installing a 64bit kernel on a 32bit processor? I've seen the issue confused before. amd_64 has nothing to do with the brand. It's the bitness, and won't work on an amd 32bit cpu, but will work on a 64bit intel.

 

[ronbo613]

Absolutely. What problem do you hope to solve with the server os?

I would like the same computer to be a Linux server and have the desktop OS option, so it can be used as a server or as a desktop PC.

Because OSX has Final Cut and Premiere. And Adobe doesn't care about your money because the user base for Linux (even Ubuntu) is so small compared to the number of video professionals on windows and OSX.

You're right, video pros will pay for Final Cut and Premiere because they have to. With all the digital cameras and GoPros out there, a decent Linux video editor might attract some of those people to the OS.

Have you tried OpenShot yet?

I have not but I will certainly give it a look. I always have people asking for free video editing programs and more and more average computer users I know are willing to have a go at Linux.

Your amd issue... Did you try installing a 64bit kernel on a 32bit processor? I've seen the issue confused before. amd_64 has nothing to do with the brand. It's the bitness, and won't work on an amd 32bit cpu, but will work on a 64bit intel.

The computers are older 32bit rigs with an AMD processor. I've never run into this issue while installing Linux, but there were plenty of other inquiries about it on the internet. We are going to try and get Linux on the computers because they have XP which is a ticking time bomb.

Thanks for the helpful Linux info.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

The computers are older 32bit rigs with an AMD processor. I've never run into this issue while installing Linux, but there were plenty of other inquiries about it on the internet. We are going to try and get Linux on the computers because they have XP which is a ticking time bomb.

On the Alternative Downloads page in the Bittorrent section there are 32-bit downloads available.

I would suggest using a lighter distro, though, one specifically designed for older PCs. The modern distro will likely be a strain on the older hardware. For desktop try Slitaz or MacPup.

 

[ronbo613]

On the Alternative Downloads page in the Bittorrent section there are 32-bit downloads available.

I would suggest using a lighter distro, though, one specifically designed for older PCs. The modern distro will likely be a strain on the older hardware. For desktop try Slitaz or MacPup.

Yes, have to find something that will work. I'll check out those distros.

I don't want to get too exotic with my friend's computer, it will be his first Linux experience. I gave an old IBM Thinkpad with Ubuntu to his high school daughter and she picked it right up. I don't think the old man is going to be so flexible.

 

[lxskllr]

I'm not sure Slitaz and *pup would be the best choice for a regular user, especially Slitaz. They're both light to the point that user friendliness gets dropped as bloat. They'd be good for someone somewhat technical, or someone that knows nothing, and has very few needs. It's the middle tier where things get problematic. I'd go with L or X ubuntu, and if those aren't light enough, consider getting rid of the machine, or having a real shared learning experience.

 

[ronbo613]

I'm not sure Slitaz and *pup would be the best choice for a regular user, especially Slitaz. They're both light to the point that user friendliness gets dropped as bloat. They'd be good for someone somewhat technical, or someone that knows nothing, and has very few needs. It's the middle tier where things get problematic. I'd go with L or X ubuntu, and if those aren't light enough, consider getting rid of the machine, or having a real shared learning experience.

There's got to be a way around that AMD issue. Lots of older computers have those AMD64 processors. I'm hoping to shoehorn Ubuntu in there because they already have one Ubuntu computer in the family.

 

[lxskllr]

There's got to be a way around that AMD issue. Lots of older computers have those AMD64 processors. I'm hoping to shoehorn Ubuntu in there because they already have one Ubuntu computer in the family.

It's not an issue if I understand things correctly. If the cpu is 32bit, get the 32bit release. You probably want to do that anyway on an old machine that's probably light on ram. Only get amd_64 if you're installing on a 64bit machine of any brand, and can benefit from a 64bit kernel.

 

[ronbo613]

It's not an issue if I understand things correctly. If the cpu is 32bit, get the 32bit release. You probably want to do that anyway on an old machine that's probably light on ram. Only get amd_64 if you're installing on a 64bit machine of any brand, and can benefit from a 64bit kernel.

I kind of forgot the details since it's not my computers, but I think the problem was more about the hardware for that particular processor/motherboard. We will probably give it another shot here soon. Right now he's facing installing Windows 10 on the only working computer.

 

[FrankRamiro]

As a casual Ubuntu user, I rarely venture into the *nix forum, but I always ask a few stupid questions while I'm here, so here they are:

Can you dual boot a Linux server and desktop OS? Just like a dual boot Linux/Windows, only Linux Server/Linux Desktop.

Helping a friend try to install Ubuntu on his computers with AMD processors, there were incompatibility errors(forgot exactly what they were) and Ubuntu wouldn't install. I recall searching for this issue without any real solution. Any experience with this problem?

Finally, why hasn't a good Linux video editor evolved? A "pro" quality photo and video editor is the only thing keeping me on Windows. I've given enough money to Adobe over the years, would love to not be a future customer.

I wish you good luck on that, i tried to install Win10 and Ubuntu and never had good luck, i even followed all instructions i could find and gave up on that besides i have 6 pc's so no need.

 

[ronbo613]

I wish you good luck on that, i tried to install Win10 and Ubuntu and never had good luck, i even followed all instructions i could find and gave up on that besides i have 6 pc's so no need.

I don't have a particular ax to grind with Microsoft, but as time goes on, I would like an alternative. I use Ubuntu and Windows. I like some things about each one and I dislike some things as well. As far as I'm concerned, two options are better than one.

 

[FrankRamiro]

I don't have a particular ax to grind with Microsoft, but as time goes on, I would like an alternative. I use Ubuntu and Windows. I like some things about each one and I dislike some things as well. As far as I'm concerned, two options are better than one.

Try this and good luck.


http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html

 

[ronbo613]

Try this and good luck.


http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html

I'll check that out. Thanks.

 

[mv2devnull]

I would like the same computer to be a Linux server and have the desktop OS option, so it can be used as a server or as a desktop PC.

You can install both server and desktop components to same Linux installation, i.e. have both features simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive. (If they are ... I would stay away from such distro.)

In dual boot you can run only one at a time. Dual boot is definitely possible. The deails are mainly on partitioning and boot loader(s). It is my standard procedure to install new distro version as "dual boot" rather than overwriting the root partition of the "old" install.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Absolutely. What problem do you hope to solve with the server os?

Because OSX has Final Cut and Premiere. And Adobe doesn't care about your money because the user base for Linux (even Ubuntu) is so small compared to the number of video professionals on windows and OSX.

Have you tried OpenShot yet?

+1 to OpenShot and DVDStyler.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Another option is to go virtual. As long as you don't have a lot of peripheral needs in the virtual OS, meaning you don't need USB bluetooth adapters or anything weird, consider VirtualBox.

It's like VMWare or VirtualPC... This may not be the best solution for the older, 32-bit computer. Where it would shine is if you had a Windows 7-10 system with 16GB of RAM and dual monitors. I used to do this at work. I'd have a base operating system (Linux or Windows) and install the other OS in a virtual instance. That gave me the best of both worlds. In my case, I installed Xubuntu on my PC and ran Windows 7 in VirtualBox. I maximized the screen on my second monitor and this allowed me to run terminals in workspaces 1,3,& 4....and Windows in workspace 2....or whatever. That allowed me to run Microsoft Office/Exchange and a few Microsoft-only database tools. I rarely had to reboot my system for patching after that, but restarted my VM weekly since Microsoft is special and requires more care and feeding.

 

[ronbo613]

Another option is to go virtual. As long as you don't have a lot of peripheral needs in the virtual OS, meaning you don't need USB bluetooth adapters or anything weird, consider VirtualBox.

It's like VMWare or VirtualPC... This may not be the best solution for the older, 32-bit computer. Where it would shine is if you had a Windows 7-10 system with 16GB of RAM and dual monitors. I used to do this at work. I'd have a base operating system (Linux or Windows) and install the other OS in a virtual instance. That gave me the best of both worlds. In my case, I installed Xubuntu on my PC and ran Windows 7 in VirtualBox. I maximized the screen on my second monitor and this allowed me to run terminals in workspaces 1,3,& 4....and Windows in workspace 2....or whatever. That allowed me to run Microsoft Office/Exchange and a few Microsoft-only database tools. I rarely had to reboot my system for patching after that, but restarted my VM weekly since Microsoft is special and requires more care and feeding.

It's an older 32 bit system, going to have to stick to the basics

 

[MrColin]

It might be worth mentioning that all of the server things you might want in the server version can also be installed on the desktop version of ubuntu, i.e. Apache, nginx, samba, bind9, all of them. If you go that route, you'll probably want to set the network config to static and possibly disable NetworkManager.

 

[ronbo613]

It might be worth mentioning that all of the server things you might want in the server version can also be installed on the desktop version of ubuntu, i.e. Apache, nginx, samba, bind9, all of them. If you go that route, you'll probably want to set the network config to static and possibly disable NetworkManager.

It's going to be a learning experience, for sure...