Linux not suitable for enterprise use?

imported_Lucifer

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Large enterprises should not use Linux because it is not secure enough, has scalability problems and could fork into many different flavours, according to the Agility Alliance, which includes IT heavyweights EDS, Fuji Xerox, Cisco, Microsoft, Sun, Dell and EMC.

The alliance comprises a group of IT hardware and software firms that have combined their expertise and products to help EDS create ?best of breed? solutions and compete with the likes of IBM Global Services and Hewlett-Packard for the most lucrative government and enterprise contracts.

It was first announced in the US during 2004 but senior executives from partner companies gathered in Sydney on Wednesday to officially launch the Alliance in Asia Pacific.

At the launch, Robb Rasmussen, vice-president of EDS Global Alliances, explained that the alliance does not consider Linux to be a suitable operating system for the largest of enterprise customers because the open source operating system has issues with security, scalability and the possibility of forking.

"From a corporate perspective, we are not confident where Linux is right now today. A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment. We see some of the same things occurring that did to Unix ? it could splinter into many different types of languages. We are quite cautious about Linux and its deployment," said Rasmussen.

Rasmussen said he was just as concerned about using Linux on mainframe computers.

"We are concerned about security on an open standard environment like that. We are also concerned about some of the scalability issues that we are seeing on our clients on a global basis. Also, we are somewhat cautious about what happened with Unix ? it splintered into eight applications ? until McNealy (Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun) finally announced he won the battle and had the one surviving Unix out there. We think Linux has the possibility of going the same route," said Rasmussen.

Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than alternative operating systems.

"Quite honestly, in the notion of costs, as we look at what we are structuring with our alliance partners, we are not seeing a compelling cost advantage that would lend us towards Linux ? given the other things I have mentioned," said Rasmussen.

Jim Hassell, managing director of Sun Microsystems Australia, argued that Linux was no loss to the Agility Alliance because it could use Solaris 10 instead of Linux rival Red Hat.

"If you test Red Hat against Solaris 10 against whatever else? we would say that Solaris 10 beats it hands down on functionality and everything else," said Hassell.



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bersl2

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Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
FUD

Well put.

That's a "who's who" list of known Linux haters/enemies of FOSS. A Slashdot post best puts it:
Bahahaha, conveniently enough.

* CISCO: GPL Violators
* Sun: Forked everything in Linux except the kernel for themselves
* Microsoft: Vested interest in not having Linux compete
* DELL: Microsoft's bitch
* Fuji Xerox: The original reason for the GPL to exist
* EDS. EMC: Can I get a me too up in here?

Give me a fistful of FUD with my daily news please.
 

Sunner

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The only one I'm a bit surprised about is Dell, they've been supporting Linux for quite a while, they even sold Linux desktops for a while.

Oh and what does "securifying" mean?
English isn't my first language, but that sounds kinda wrong even to me...
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
 

drag

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Looks like Sun and Microsoft are tag teaming on the Linux FUD this time around.

And people wonder why people dog on Sun sometimes. Interesting stuff... Seem to be targetting IBM this time around, not so much 'linux' per say. It's been said before, if Linux isn't ready for the enterprise server market, then neither is Windows.

I take your FUD and raise.
Sun and Microsoft sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g...

Fun stuff.

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I suppose Sun is pretty worried about IBM. With IBM's OpenPower stuff they are offering Linux on POWER5-based systems for around the same price that Sun is offering Solaris 10 on Opteron systems.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: Sunner
The only one I'm a bit surprised about is Dell, they've been supporting Linux for quite a while, they even sold Linux desktops for a while.

Oh and what does "securifying" mean?
English isn't my first language, but that sounds kinda wrong even to me...
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

English wasn't my first language either, and I know for a fact "securifying" is not a word. He made it up.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
The only one I'm a bit surprised about is Dell, they've been supporting Linux for quite a while, they even sold Linux desktops for a while.

Oh and what does "securifying" mean?
English isn't my first language, but that sounds kinda wrong even to me...
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

Securify is a term only used 13 beers into a conversation.

IBM is the top dog of the moment. :yawn;
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Sunner
The only one I'm a bit surprised about is Dell, they've been supporting Linux for quite a while, they even sold Linux desktops for a while.

Oh and what does "securifying" mean?
English isn't my first language, but that sounds kinda wrong even to me...
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

Securify is a term only used 13 beers into a conversation.

IBM is the top dog of the moment. :yawn;

If that guy can be drunk at work, he's got a better job than me :(
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Sunner
The only one I'm a bit surprised about is Dell, they've been supporting Linux for quite a while, they even sold Linux desktops for a while.

Oh and what does "securifying" mean?
English isn't my first language, but that sounds kinda wrong even to me...
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

Securify is a term only used 13 beers into a conversation.

IBM is the top dog of the moment. :yawn;

If that guy can be drunk at work, he's got a better job than me :(

It's not all it's cracked up to be. :eek:
:evil:
 

n0cmonkey

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teehee

EDS (Instant Messaging) Case Study
In order to keep pace with constantly increasing volumes of Internet-bound e-mail without increasing infrastructure costs, EDS implemented Perimeter Messaging Services, standardized on Linux servers. The proven stability and capacity of these servers prompted them to see if the same environment could support Instant Messaging (IM), increasing collaboration between employees, vendors and clients.

The Business Issue
Our experience with the implementation and the stability of the new environment has enabled us to provide enhanced security, significantly increase throughput and operate in a mixed environment ? maximizing our messaging processes and ongoing investment.

Richard Wilson
Senior Consultant
EDS
Many groups within EDS were demanding ? and providing ample business cases for ? instant messaging capabilities, but many publicly available IM products compromised security standards.

Our Approach
Implemented Linux server environment to ensure stability and security while keeping costs low
Implemented Linux-based messaging application that meets EDS' corporate security standards while enabling communication with users of other messaging software
How It Worked
Increased ROI on infrastructure investment by leveraging the existing mail relays to support additional IM connections
Projected 40 percent reduction in e-mail traffic, easing storage demands
The Technology
EDS selected Jabber Inc.'s extensible IM as its messaging client for a number of reasons, including its interoperability, strong product support and easily customizable security. In order to conform to EDS' corporate security standards, the messaging system has been modified to block file transfers, encrypt the data stream and prevent the automatic execution of HTML code, ensuring secure end-to-end communication for users.

The Full Story
Increased Stability and Security Came From an Unexpected Source
Nearly a decade after it was first developed, Linux is gaining popularity with corporate IT departments that admire the operating system for its stability and security. Now that commercial developers (like Red Hat, whose Linux version 7.3 now powers EDS' perimeter messaging servers) are able to offer upgrades and support, the system's affordability makes it a natural choice for high-volume transaction processing.

In order to prevent the use of insecure public IM services and speed real-time collaboration, EDS also decided to implement an enterprise instant messaging (EIM) system. An increasing number of corporations are turning to messaging applications as yet another tool for improving collaboration among employees, vendors and clients. With more than 137,000 employees in 60 countries around the world, EDS saw a lot of potential benefits from implementing instant messaging. Research shows messaging can lower long-distance costs by as much as 30 percent, and the number of e-mail transactions by as much as 40 percent.

Putting Employees In Touch With Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime
After reviewing the various messaging applications available, EDS selected Jabber Inc.'s extensible IM. The software was readily customizable, so it was easy to adapt the program to meet EDS' corporate security standards. In addition, the EDS Jabber implementation has been architected to allow for communication within and external to the EDS Enterprise. This design provides intra-EDS communication as well as external communication functionality with vendors and clients.

Low-Cost Solution Saves More Than Money
The new Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere. Because it is open-source software, it also offers significant cost savings on licensing and allows EDS to provide faster, more responsive support because programming problems can be diagnosed and repaired more quickly.

In addition, the new messaging system is changing the way EDS does business. Because employees use EIM for so many different reasons, it is often difficult to quantify the productivity improvements and cost savings this form of communication can provide. But consider this scenario. Recently, EDS employees in Michigan, Texas and Australia needed to confer on a server problem at an EDS site in Sydney. Within less than a minute, multiple users on two different continents were connected. And just 10 minutes later, the server was up and running again. Before the messaging system was implemented, it would have taken more than half an hour to arrange a conference call. ?We solved the problem in record time, at a fraction of the cost,? says EDS Senior Consultant Richard Wilson. ?Now imagine that happening every day, for more than 137,000 potential users. The possibilities are endless.?