Linux Mint 1, OS X 0

[BarkingGhostar]

In the last 24 hours I tested both the Linux Mint (Mate) using USB-HDD boot, and also the Mountain Lion (bought last night) via Unibeast.

I downloaded Linux Mint Mate edition ISO and the UNetBootin to create a USB-HDD boot option. Took less than thirty minutes and I was operating the USB-HDD via the USB3 port. Nothing was needed beyond the UNetBootin aspect and I was working (surfing, streaming, etc.) like I was a god (I'm not).

Late last night I bought and downloaded OS X Mountain Lion and followed the guide on Tonymacx86 site using the UniBeast, which had me format the flash drive on the iMac and install the files from the ML .app for USB-HDD boot into Chimera.

Unfortunately, even using the internal Core i graphics, watching the init in verbose mode, and trying the fail-safe option while on a USB2 port still could not get me to the OS X installer. After some 5.5 hours of trying, I quit.

Linux Mint in 30 minutes or less. OS X nowhere after 5.5 hours. :biggrin:

 

[BarkingGhostar]

BTW, this was on a PC with 3 year old hardware, 1st generation Core i3 processor (530), but the video streaming on Vimeo was terrific. Out of the box it all just freaking worked.

 

[sze5003]

Im about to load mint on my second hard drive. Try out cinnamon too it's pretty good. I think mint is my favorite distro. Ubuntu is now just loaded with so much crap.

 

[ViRGE]

Although it's unfortunate you weren't able to get Mac OS X working, I'm not sure that's a very good comparison. Mac OS X wasn't meant to run on anything besides a Mac in the first place. The fact that it can be done at all is something of a small miracle. Whereas Mint of course was intended to be installed on a wide range of systems.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I disagree. The 'problems' I ran into started well before I sat in front of a PC. Also, there are plenty of people running OS X on a PC successfully. Just because the Hackintosh community isn't represented here on Anandtech doesn't mean it doesn't exist, isn't successful, etc.

 

[sze5003]

I had osx running in an old Dell 410. Just an issue with the internet wireless adapter. But I solved that with just connecting an Ethernet cord. I believe this was a while ago with leopard.

 

[Rio Rebel]

BTW, I have that same processor, and you can add Microsoft to the list of companies that didn't bother to fully support it with their latest OS. MS developed a fully functional driver for the i3 GPU for Sandy Bridge and above, but for 1st generation i3's, which are fully capable of bitstreaming HD audio, they just skipped it. So my htpc had to be upgraded with a discreet graphics card unnecessarily to run Windows 8.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

I disagree. The 'problems' I ran into started well before I sat in front of a PC.

Because OS X wasn't designed to be run or installed on anything but a Mac. Apple probably put in a bit more effort into ensuring the installer blocked such operations.

 

[Zaap]

Unfortunately, even using the internal Core i graphics, watching the init in verbose mode, and trying the fail-safe option while on a USB2 port still could not get me to the OS X installer. After some 5.5 hours of trying, I quit.

This situation doesn't begin to qualify as any sort of adequate comparison with OSX.

First off, if you're using an 1156 i3 as you indicate, the onboard graphics aren't supported in OSX. Mountain Lion's installer absolutely will not boot using onboard graphics on that CPU, and only will using a CPU with Intel HD3000 or HD4000. Otherwise, use a supported graphics card (and disable the onboard).

Also, you never say what motherboard you have- a successful Hackintosh will only work using a supported motherboard with components that are known to work with OSX. And whatever board you do have (especially an older 1156 board) you need to follow a specific guide for it. Sometimes older hardware like that could require custom boot flags in order to get the installer to boot, and you also need to know exactly what drivers to install once you did get OSX installed.

 

[Gunbuster]

BTW, I have that same processor, and you can add Microsoft to the list of companies that didn't bother to fully support it with their latest OS. MS developed a fully functional driver for the i3 GPU for Sandy Bridge and above, but for 1st generation i3's, which are fully capable of bitstreaming HD audio, they just skipped it. So my htpc had to be upgraded with a discreet graphics card unnecessarily to run Windows 8.

All you have to do is mod the driver ini. You copy the lines from Win 7 and paste them over the Win8/Server 2012 string that basically says "don't install because sell more chips!"

 

[PingSpike]

BTW, I have that same processor, and you can add Microsoft to the list of companies that didn't bother to fully support it with their latest OS. MS developed a fully functional driver for the i3 GPU for Sandy Bridge and above, but for 1st generation i3's, which are fully capable of bitstreaming HD audio, they just skipped it. So my htpc had to be upgraded with a discreet graphics card unnecessarily to run Windows 8.

Really? Intel doesn't have a Win8 driver on their website?

 

[Ancalagon44]

This situation doesn't begin to qualify as any sort of adequate comparison with OSX.

First off, if you're using an 1156 i3 as you indicate, the onboard graphics aren't supported in OSX. Mountain Lion's installer absolutely will not boot using onboard graphics on that CPU, and only will using a CPU with Intel HD3000 or HD4000. Otherwise, use a supported graphics card (and disable the onboard).

Also, you never say what motherboard you have- a successful Hackintosh will only work using a supported motherboard with components that are known to work with OSX. And whatever board you do have (especially an older 1156 board) you need to follow a specific guide for it. Sometimes older hardware like that could require custom boot flags in order to get the installer to boot, and you also need to know exactly what drivers to install once you did get OSX installed.

Its like, I cant install Windows 95 on my Android phone, therefore Windows 95 is terrible.

 

[Gunbuster]

Really? Intel doesn't have a Win8 driver on their website?

They do not, but the driver INI has a section for Windows 8/Server 2012. It's easy to get it working. Obviously some engineer wanted to make it possible for users to get it working even though Intel corporate decided on no support for Windows 8 with G1 on-board graphics.

http://www.neowin.net/news/how-to-install-legacy-intel-hd-graphics-drivers-on-windows-8

 

[PingSpike]

They do not, but the driver INI has a section for Windows 8/Server 2012. It's easy to get it working. Obviously some engineer wanted to make it possible for users to get it working even though Intel corporate decided on no support for Windows 8 with G1 on-board graphics.

http://www.neowin.net/news/how-to-install-legacy-intel-hd-graphics-drivers-on-windows-8

Seems pretty outrageous even still though, that is not an old chip at all.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

This situation doesn't begin to qualify as any sort of adequate comparison with OSX.

First off, if you're using an 1156 i3 as you indicate, the onboard graphics aren't supported in OSX. Mountain Lion's installer absolutely will not boot using onboard graphics on that CPU, and only will using a CPU with Intel HD3000 or HD4000. Otherwise, use a supported graphics card (and disable the onboard).

Also, you never say what motherboard you have- a successful Hackintosh will only work using a supported motherboard with components that are known to work with OSX. And whatever board you do have (especially an older 1156 board) you need to follow a specific guide for it. Sometimes older hardware like that could require custom boot flags in order to get the installer to boot, and you also need to know exactly what drivers to install once you did get OSX installed.

You are correct, I had failed to mention in this thread the motherboard I was trying to use. It is a Gigabyte GA-H55-USB3. Someone else used it successfully. BTW, is this wiki entry wrong regarding the use of the mid-2010 Core i3 processor? It says Apple started with the 540, but I'm using the 530. Are they not both the same generation Core i3 processor?

My initial attempts used the verbose switch "-v" and then the fail safe switch "-x" and following the guide it was recommended that I use the onboard video as luck would have it ML has an install problem with AMD 6xxx cards. This is correctable post install.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Because OS X wasn't designed to be run or installed on anything but a Mac. Apple probably put in a bit more effort into ensuring the installer blocked such operations.

Only a fool would think there is significant difference under the hood between something provided by Apple via its Intel OEM suppliers and the same suppliers supplying end users directly.

And while you are correct that Apple makes no degree of freedom in its software being installed on anything other than what they provide, your remark isn't helpful.

 

[Zaap]

You are correct, I had failed to mention in this thread the motherboard I was trying to use. It is a Gigabyte GA-H55-USB3. Someone else used it successfully. BTW, is this wiki entry wrong regarding the use of the mid-2010 Core i3 processor? It says Apple started with the 540, but I'm using the 530. Are they not both the same generation Core i3 processor?

My initial attempts used the verbose switch "-v" and then the fail safe switch "-x" and following the guide it was recommended that I use the onboard video as luck would have it ML has an install problem with AMD 6xxx cards. This is correctable post install.

If you're still interested in trying OSX on it, it can be done on that board. I think you're running up against a series of problems that are easily solved, just that you've got several on top of each other.

1. Gigabyte boards are the best for running OSX generally, but that board probably will require some specifics to boot OSX: the BIOS will need to be set up for it, and AHCI turned on if present. (True of most boards for OSX).

2. Your CPU will work, but the issue is the onboard graphics. They're just simply not supported, the whole chipset predates Mountain Lion. Many times unsupported graphics simply mean there's no Core Image or Quartz Extreme driver support (think using Windows in safe mode) but the system will still boot. With unsupported onboard graphics, it's been my experience that ML will just choke and refuse to install in the first place.

3. You're right about ML having issues with ATI 6xxx cards. However- you CAN install ML using these cards, then switch to a different driver post-install that allows the card to work. Otherwise, you'll get white-screen issues. I ran into this same issue with my sig system and the 6780 card, but there is a work-around. Still, on top of everything else...

4. You're also up agains trying to install ML on hardware that's older than ML is. I'm pretty sure that board will have trouble like no supported sound (without using VoodooHD hacked drivers) and possibly other problems in any case.

Basically- it'll be a bit of a project to get OSX to install on that hardware and then all the components fully enabled. It's just the fact that it's older and unsupported even in the Hackintosh community. I'd recommend find and follow exact guides for the motherboard and Mountain Lion, and also consider getting a low-end supported nVidia card (Like a 210 or something) or do the work arounds to avoid white-screen issues with an ATI 6xxx card.

You might also try kakewalk rather than Unibeast: http://www.kakewalk.se/

It still has support for older hardware, including your exact model motherboard. (You'll still have the CPU graphic issues though. I recommend no matter what just disabling them in the BIOS if you want to run OSX.)

 

[BarkingGhostar]

While I did build a new PC and dual boot OS X Mavericks and W7 Pro, I also managed to get the old PC up and running on Mavericks as well.

I still encountered the same problems and performing a DSDT injection method didn't work either. I tried the specific DSDT as well as others gor Gigabyte boards with no success.

I used the new PC as a surrogate and installed Mavericks without any problems. I ran the tonymac software. I then ran the post-install software to include a DSDT file, which was successful.

I powered down the new PC, transplanted into the old PC and it worked. Ran the post install software once more and had networking, graphics, etc. working.

I got this from my old Win9x days when you could go into Device Manager and delete all the drivers, power down, transplant and bring up OS on new system hardware.