Linux Beginner FAQ

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Table Of Contents
  • Q1: What linux distro should I use?
  • Q2: What is a LiveCD?
  • Q3: How do I install software?
  • Q4: But how do I install and run games in linux?!
  • Q5: What about virtual machines?
  • Q6: Should I use 32-bit or 64-bit?
  • Q7: How can I dual boot with Windows?
  • Q8: What is the best Desktop Environment?
  • Q9: What is the best Window Manager?
  • Q10: What are these *BSD distros? Are they a linux?
  • Q11: What is GNU?
  • Q12: Where can I find more information?

Q1: What linux distro should I use?

The short answer is right now Ubuntu is by far the most popular distro for beginners and it has everything a Power User needs, too. If you want to spend a little more time, go to Distrowatch and go down their rankings on the right side of the page. You can quickly and easily try out various distros using virtual machines and LiveCDs, or you can dual-boot with an existing Windows installation. You might check reverend boltron's post below for why I stress to try a few and choose for yourself.

The latest version of Ubuntu works great on a workstation, but for a server you will want the added stability and reliability of the LTS releases which is currently Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper. If you are even more concerned about stability, Debian is a hugely popular server distro among linux veterans. The nice thing about starting with Ubuntu, also, is you can easily apply what you learn to Debian since Ubuntu is based on Debian.

If for some reason you need RedHat binary compatiblity (we have a few proprietary apps that require this) then go with CentOS. It is also possible to get official RedHat binary install CDs by signing up for a trial and then not purchasing access to rhn, but getting updates will require a little more advanced configuration.

"There will be differences otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to have different distros . =) The main difference will be in software packaging, what is packaged, how it's packaged, etc. But in general the software will be the same, AbiWord is AbiWord on any distro."[1] I might also add that default programs and configuration could be different, but these difference are generally minor. Distros also do a lot of tweaking to the user interface. Debian with Gnome will function just like Ubuntu (and just like Fedora for that matter, but with a different package manager), but they look very different. Which is better is completely personal preference, which is why you just have to look over the top distros on distrowatch and choose for yourself (see the LiveCD, dual boot, and virtual machine Qs below for quick ways to try out distros).

The other issue people have is wondering what distro should they use based on their hardware requirements. For the most part, you will not notice any difference between distros running the same desktop environment, and they almost all run either Gnome or KDE. There are, however, a few distros designed for low power machines such as DSL (Damn Small Linux) and Xubuntu. But any distro can be configured to use the same desktop environment and the same software as these. (see the Desktop Environment and Window Manager Qs below). Again, this is personal preference for what performance is acceptable to you versus features, but as a reference I would suggest if you have a P3 or older, or less than 192 MB of RAM, then you might look into using a lighter desktop environment on your distro.

Q2: What is a LiveCD?

A LiveCD is probably the single greatest invention for beginners looking to try out linux :D. Basically a LiveCD is a fully functional linux distro that runs off a CD without touching your harddrive. There's no install, just pop in the CD and boot your computer (make sure CD boot is enabled in the BIOS). This makes it very quick and easy to try out multiple distros one right after another. The disadvantages, however, are 1) very slow boot times and 2) everything you do will be lost upon a reboot or shutdown.

Knoppix was the first popular LiveCD and now Ubuntu's "desktop" install CD is a LiveCD. That's right, if you want to try out Ubuntu you just boot to the "desktop" install CD and you have a fully functional Ubuntu desktop that you can play with and even install software in without affecting your computer until you run the install program (located on the desktop). many other distros are also releasing LiveCDs for this same reason; you'll just have to check on the distro you want to try.

Many experienced users also like to keep a linux LiveCD handy in the event they need to troubleshoot or recover files from a nonbootable Windows installation. This is what Knoppix was designed for and made it famous. Whatever your favorite distro LiveCD is should work fine for this, but may not have the same useful recovery tools as Knoppix has already installed.

Q3: How do I install software?

This question has about as many answers as there are linux distros. On Debian and most Debian based distros, including Ubuntu, you can use apt-get or aptitude from the command line or Synaptic from the gui. Synaptic is really straightforward to use from the gui. On the command line, I strongly suggest using aptitude over apt-get. Here is a good command line reference for apt-get and aptitude will use the exact same commands. It is better to use aptitude though because it does some things better such as dependency handling and conflict resolution. For other distros, google for the distro name and "package manager".

If you want to install Windows applications on your linux machine, you may be able to use WINE, but 90% of the time there is a better linux equivalent of the software. I've included the linux equivalents of some Windows software below and will expand the list as I think of more. You may also check with the software manufacturer and see if they have a linux port of their software. If you absolutely must use Windows software under linux check the WINE Application Database to see how well your software runs under WINE.

Q4: But how do I install and run games in linux?!

There are many fun and addictive opensource games available for linux. Many of these games can be installed right from your distros package manager. My personal favorite is Endgame: Singularity - available in the Ubuntu multiverse repository.

It is also often possible to install and play games that you have purchased for Windows. Best thing to do is to check if your game has a linux port. Unreal is a good example of this - you can download a linux installer right off the Unreal Tournament website and use it to install the game on linux (you still must provide your legally purchased cd during the install, of course).

If you can not find a linux port, then you may be able to use WINE or Cedega. Check the WINE database linked above to see if your game is supported. Many popular games that have been out several months are supported by WINE. If WINE does not support a game you want or is too slow at supporting the latest games, then you can purchase a subscription to use Cedega from Transgaming. Last I heard the subcription cost was $5/month. You can check the Cedega Games Database to see if the game you want is supported by Cedega.

Q5: What about virtual machines?

Virtual machines have exploded in popularity in the last year or two (circa 2005/2006). VMWare is at the forefront of this and currently has what most consider the easiest and fastest products available. For the purpose of this FAQ, you are probably going to want to use their free VMWare Server.

VMWare Server runs on Linux and Windows and can be used to try out linux distros. The installation and usage is very intuitive well documentated. The nice thing about this is you can try out linux while still able to work or play in your existing Windows environment. The disadvantages are 1) the machines will compete for resources, which is _usually_ not even noticeable on current hardware, and 2) you will not be able to use any 3D programs such as some games or desktop effects since VMWare does not (yet) have OpenGL support.

VMWare Server can also run on linux and be used to run Windows programs. Installation and usage is just as easy as on Windows (indeed both are nearly identical). This could be a very easy and familiar way to run a Windows program within your linux environment. The disadvantages of this are the same as above: 1) resource usage, and 2) no 3D support, plus 3) everytime you want to run the application you will need to boot the Windows environment within your linux environment (or leave it running all the time).

There are other options to VMWare, including the open source packages Kernel-based Virtual Machine and Xen, the semi-open source VirtualBox, or Microsoft's Virtual Server.

Q6: Should I use 32-bit or 64-bit?

The main, and possibly only valid, reason to go with 64-bit is if you need more than 4 GB of memory (RAM) in your system or if a single application needs to use more than 2GB of memory. Apart from the memory limitations of 32-bit, most applications will perform equally on both architectures. However, a few applications will perform better on 64-bit, but this is pretty well balanced out with a few applications that actually perform worse on 64-bit.

If you are just starting out, the safest bet is to go with 32-bit. In the past, people have reported compatibility problems with moving to 64-bit, but there are little to no reports of such issues recently. If you use one of the distros I mention above and stick with the software in their package management repositories, then you should be fine with 64-bit. I've been using 64-bit on some servers (due to having 8GB or more of RAM) since December 2006 with no issues whatsoever, but for a beginner when things go sour it may be easier to troubleshoot on 32-bit.

For more information on 64-bit computing, look here.

Q7: How can I dual boot with Windows?

BACKUP! BACKUP! BACKUP! If you have data on your computer that you can't bear to lose, play it safe and make a backup to removable media and verify that the backup is a good copy.

First, you will need space on your harddrive. Either use exisiting space if you have some, add an additional harddrive, or shrink your current Windows partition. If you use a recent version of the Ubuntu "desktop" install cd, then part of the install process uses GParted to walk you through shrinking your Windows partition.

For other installations, you can use the GParted LiveCD. There are two notes on this though. For one, I've had issues with the latest version (0.3.4-8) of the LiveCD and am actually sticking with versions 0.3.4-6 right now. 0.3.4-8 is the first time I've ever had issues with the GParted LiveCD though, and the issue was not with the partitioning but with the interface. Second, the Gparted LiveCD is getting increasingly complicated and cluttered with features, so I have not used this, but a simpler alternative I have found may be Parted Magic. Gparted LiveCD and Parted Magic both use the parted software to do the actual partitioning so the only difference is which interface you would prefer.

Ok, other than making space, every linux installer I've come across automatically detects my Windows installation and automatically creates the dual boot settings in the boot loader. The thing you need to be most careful of is when configuring the partitioning part of the installation to be sure you do not delete your current Windows partition. Here is a pretty good article that gives step-by-step dual-booting instructions with screenshots, specific to Ubuntu 7.04, in a number of different scenarios.

Q8: What is the best Desktop Environment?

"Best" is a horrible word to use with opensource software, as all opensource software exists because someone thinks it is the best *I just felt like making that point here. Anyway, looking at distrowatch, the 1st and 4th popular distros use GNOME by default, but the 2nd and 3rd popular distros use KDE by default. Xfce is also very popular for older hardware due to it being light on resource usage.

GNOME is generally simpler and easier to use than KDE, but KDE has more features, is more customizable in how it looks, and has more advanced tools for system configuration. KDE can be a bit more complicated and confusing than GNOME, but a beginner should really not have a problem with basic usage of either environment. More than anything, this comes down to your personal preference for the look and feel. All of the more popular distros have both in their package managers so trying both out is a breeze. Most will also include Xfce in their package managers, which may be more responsive on slower hardware.

Many X window managers are also meant to be used standalone and contain elements of a desktop environment. Examples of these are Enlightenment, Fluxbox, Blackbox, IceWM, and many others. These are even more lightweight than Xfce with varying degrees of features. They do not have widespread popularity, but many have a fiercely loyal and dedicated fan base. Usage of these should be considered a more advanced topic and inclusion in package managers is questionable. Consult your distros documentation or the application's website for more information.

Q9: What is the best Window Manager?

Generally it's best to just stick with whatever the default Window Manager is that comes with the desktop environment you are using. Some users like to mix and match different window managers with different desktop environments based on personal preferences but this should be considered a more advanced topic.

One choice that even beginners may want to make, though, is to use one of the fancy OpenGL-accelerated window managers: Compiz or Beryl. Compiz is more stable and reliable and includes features like Window animations, the cube, and wobbly windows, but Beryl includes a lot more fancy features at the expense of being a bit buggy.

Keep in mind that Beryl and Compiz are now being merged into Compiz Fusion. Work is underway to port all the Beryl features to Compiz plugins and should maintain the reliability of Compiz. Current distros should have Compiz and Beryl in their package managers right now though, with little or no manual configuration needed to get working. Ubuntu Feisty even already has Compiz installed and it essentially takes one click to enable it. Consult your distro's documentation for specific information for that distro.

Q10: What are these *BSD distros? Are they a linux?

No, BSD is not linux. BSD is a Unix variant in much the same way as linux and much, though not all, software that runs on linux will also run on BSD. This document is not about BSD though, so I will not get into details and just point you here. BSD is similar enough to linux that most of this FAQ will apply to it, but I would not count on it.

Q11: What is GNU?

GNU is a project started before linux with the goal of developing a completely free Unix-like operating system. Some think that "linux" distros should actually be called "GNU" distros because most of the core software is actually from the GNU project. Linux is only the kernel that constitutes a small (though very very important and complex) part of the system. Details can be found here.

Q12: Where can I find more information?

Before posting on the forum, try searching with Google. Just typing in your question, or key terms from your question can give you tons of articles with good and thorough answers. If you are wanting general information on a specific technology, Wikipedia can be very informative.

If you have a question specific to a disto or piece of software, check out the product's homepage and look for a "documentation," "FAQ," "Learn More," or "About" section. I have also often found Ubuntu's documentation to be the easiest and most helpful reading, even when I'm not using Ubuntu. I've used Ubuntu's docs when setting up services on Redhat with the only difference being the installation method.

And of course, search the forums - someone may have already asked, and answered, your same question. Ok, ok, I know the forums search function can often be pretty useless, so don't keep banging your head against the wall if you can't find anything. But please, at least scan the first page or two of at least the OS and *nix Software categories. It can be aggravating when someone asks a question and there is already a topic just below it on the same thing.

If you still haven't found your answer, then by all means - happy posting! :D

credits: xtknight [1]Nothinman
 

Brazen

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Windows-to-Linux Equivalent Software

Windows ----------------------> Gnome/All ----------------> KDE ------------------> Xfce
Adobe Photoshop -----------> Gimp
Adobe Pagemaker ----------> Scribus
Adobe Illustrator ------------> Inkscape
Adobe Premiere -------------> Cinelerra
MSN, AOL, etc Messenger --> GAIM/Pidgin
Microsoft Office -------------> OpenOffice
Microsoft Outlook -----------> Evolution ------------------> Kontact
Outlook Express ------------> Thunderbird
Internet Explorer -----------> Firefox ---------------------> Konqueror
Windows Movie Maker ------> Kino
Windows Media Player ------> Totem (video) -----------> Kaffiene------------------> ?
Windows Media Player ------> Rhythmbox (audio) -----> Amarok ------------------> ?
iTunes ------------------------> Banshee
Quicken ----------------------> GnuCash
EasyDVD Creator, Nero ----> GnomeBaker -------------> K3b ---------------------> ?
Azureus, BitComet ----------> GnomeTorrent -----------> Ktorrent -----------------> ?
eMule (eDonkey client) -----> aMule
DreamWeaver, FrontPage --> KompoZer/Nvu
package management ------> Synaptic -----------------> Adept ---------------------> ?
Windows MCE ----------------> MythTV/LinuxMCE
simple photo management--> F-Spot -------------------> digiKam

Advanced Guides
Mastering SSH for Fun and Profit

Other Stuff
Various ways to install Ubuntu, most should be adaptable to other distros:
Ubuntu Installation Methods

Simple to follow guide to doing LOTS of specific things in Ubuntu. It's long, but the individual tasks are pretty short and simple. Again this is Ubuntu specific, but other than the method of installation (apt) everything should be just the same on any distro:
http://ubuntuguide.org

Common questions about Ubuntu:
Ubuntu Common Questions

Power Saving
This (ubuntuguide.org) and this (lesswatts.org) are the best places I've found for linux power saving information. The lesswatts.org site is maintained by Intel but should apply to AMD systems as well.

Here is what I did on my Core 2 Duo server. I added these lines to /etc/rc.local:
echo " Enabling multi-core cpu power savings."
echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings
echo " Enabling on-demand cpu scheduling for cpu0."
echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
echo " Enabling on-demand cpu scheduling for cpu1."
echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
echo " Setting sleep timout for /dev/sda."
hdparm -S 12 /dev/sda
# add additional hard drives here
echo " Putting kernel in laptop mode."
echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode

and added these lines to /etc/modules:
acpi_cpufreq
cpufreq_ondemand

I also used noatime on all partitions, otherwise the harddrives will wake up more often. You can find explanations of what all this does on the lesswatts.org site.
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: nova2
google can tell you all about linux equivalent software.
http://www.google.com/search?&...0equivalent%20software

Google can answer all the beginner questions, too, so what's your point? I added them here for ease of access and I'm only going to list one program based on what is generally considered the easiest to use and popular. This is for the beginners so they don't have to go hunting and wade through a plethora of options.

I'm not really sure how to respond to your comment since I'm not sure if you are offering a suggestion for where I can get ideas to put in my list or if you are insinuating that my list is unnecessary because google has the answer *shrugs*.
 

xtknight

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Cool work and should be a sticky. Great idea to have a LiveCD section as well.

Improvements:

- Dapper was released in June of 2006, and it should read version 6.06, not 6.04.
- VMware and virtualization should be mentioned in or around the WINE section.
- I'd list that "Adept" is the KDE equivalent of Synaptic.

If you want to install Windows applications on your linux machine, you may be able to use WINE, but 99% of the time there is a better linux equivalent of the software
I don't know about this. I'd say maybe 75% chance of there being something better, but 95% chance of there being something open source. That's more a matter of opinion than anything else but I find myself using VMware a lot for certain specific tasks like making Excel macros, etc. Adobe Photoshop is indispensable and so is Dreamweaver. GIMPshop and (insert open-source HTML editor here), respectively, just aren't the same.
 

b4u

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Hi,

Can someone give me a hint about a linux distro to install as a server?

I'm a linux beginner, and I've recently tried Ubuntu Desktop 7.04 (and the previous 6.x), and it was a positive surprise.

Now I'm looking into creating a server box, so I'm thinking about which distro should be in it ... there are so many around. The server would act as a web server, with J2EE apps, also would have an FTP server (even an SSH if I can configure it :)). It would run on a PIII with 256Mb RAM, then latter as I get a "new" box for it, it would run on a P4 with 512Mb RAM.

Ubuntu 7.04 Server seems nice, but as I understand, it "may" come with too much software for the needs and not the best robust solution (or maybe not).

CentOS as I was told, is a robust distro, that would do the trick nicelly, but the new version 5 only comes in desktop flavor ... I cannot seem to find a server edition (maybe not yet available?)

Then this week I read something about a Zenwalk distro, that has a server edition, which seems to take less space ... that could mean less extra software I wouldn't really need on a server. Again, no idea about it's success as a robust server distro.

My main concern here is that I want a free robust linux server. I also would like to be able to install all software I need (java and the likes), and this is another concern ... the kernel versions, and the software I download for linux being or not being compatible with a specific distro.

Any Tips Appreciated.

Thanks
 

Brazen

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Did you read the FAQ? I talk about server distros in the first answer. I also talk about where to get more information and I know for sure you will find good info on setting up an ftp server and possibly also j2ee apps.

Setting up specific services is beyond the scope of this faq, however if you have read the faq (particularly Q1) and feel I have not answered your questions on what server distro to use, please PM me and we can discuss expanding the FAQ (to keep this thread clean).
 

Liberator21

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Ok my computer just crashed, it had Vista Home Premium x64. I could get into safe mode but that was it. Can someone give me an example of what exactly I could have done had I had a LiveCD? In terms of troubleshooting and what-not.
 

Brazen

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If it even booted the LiveCD then you would at least know your hardware was ok. You could also scan for viruses or scan the harddrive for bad sectors. Primarily though, it's just used to copy files off your harddrive onto removable media or a network location. I could go on and on, but this is a topic that could fill a thread on it's own.
 
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Any tips on installing Ubuntu on a USB hard drive? I have a micro-ITX system that will be running (hopefully) a USB hard drive as the only drive. How can I get Ubuntu loaded on it?
 

Brazen

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Way out west there was this fella I wanna tell ya' about. Goes by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for himself. See, this Lebowski, he called himself "The Dude". Now, Dude, there's a name no man would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Dude that didn't make a whole lot of sense. And a lot about where he lived, like-wise. But then again, maybe that's why I found the place so darned' interestin'. See, they call Los Angeles the "City Of Angels", but I didn't find it to be that, exactly. But I'll allow it as there are some nice folks there. 'Course I aint never been to London, and I aint never seen France. And I aint never seen no queen in her damned undies, so the fella says. But I'll tell you what, after seeing Los Angeles, and this here story I'm about to unfold, well, I guess I seen somethin' every bit as stupefyin' as you'd seen in any of them other places. And in English, too. So I can with a smile on my face. Without feelin' like the good lord gipped me. Now this here story I'm about to unfold took place in the early nineties - just about the time of our conflict with Sad'm and the eye-rackies. I only mention it because sometimes there's a man, I wont say a hero, cause, what's a hero? Sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about the Dude here - The dude from Los Angeles. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Dude. The Dude, from Los Angeles. And even if he's a lazy man, and the Dude was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in all of Los Angeles County. Which would place him high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide. Sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Well, I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell, just google for "ubuntu usb drive".

I checked and there's tons of good results. I've never done it myself, but it looks to be well supported.
 

reverend boltron

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Well, I have to say, there is something about Linux that makes me question my nerdiness. The fact is, no matter how many times I have tried switching to Linux, I just couldn't do it.

I have tried switching over because of Microsoft and their methods, but that was probably more during my teen years when I was just fighting what was popular for the sake of it being popular. Luckily I never was put in the situation of fighting myself, jay kay. But honestly, I have tried switching over to Linux, didn't work. I set up my computer for dual booting, didn't work. I got live CDs, didn't work again. I even went as far as building a switch with micro transistors, and modding my jumper shunts on the back of my hard drives so I could physically flick a switch to go between hard drives, so I could just boot Windows or Linux, but every single time I went back to Windows.

Why? Because I never had a good experience, and to be honest, I needed to be "taught" by someone how to use it. That may not sound "leet" but that's the honest truth.

I started hearing about how awesome Ubuntu was. It was all the rage with the kids, people were saying it was the best to use to switch from Windows to Linux. And I thought I would give it one more shot. Ubuntu was nice. It was a lot easier to use, and things were pretty good. But there were still problems. There were issues with it that I didn't like, and to me, it wasn't worth giving up Windows for. My thought process was, "I have a computer that functions the way I want it to. Why am I going to sacrifice functionality and usability to use my computer for the same thing?"

So after multiple Ubuntu attempts, I decided it wasn't worth it. Then I stumbled into this section of the forum and saw the Linux Beginners Thread... I decided I'd have a go at it again. I wanted to read it, and see what it said, maybe this was what I needed to make the switch, or the dual boot. I was game to go at it again.

Well, I read over the thread, and I decided I'd check out the distro watch to see what was still popular. I checked out the little poll they had on the screen telling what the most visited sites were, and Ubuntu was right at #1, which was discouraging. But then I saw a little option that said I change the ranking system to be set by weekly instead. When I did that, I saw PCLinuxOS was the number one distro.

I went to their website, I downloaded their live CD, and I burned it. I can tell you, just from using it for a few minutes, I am so pleased with it. Right out of the box everything worked perfectly. I'm going to tinker with it some more, but my suggestion to people who want to give Linux a try: Don't always believe the hype, PCLinuxOS is a great distro to try, especially if Ubuntu left you feeling a little let down.

The resolution is fine, the internet connection is perfect, it's speedy. I really like it a lot. I'm glad I came to this forum.
 

covert24

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i say sticky this. linux needs loving too. downloading pclinuxos-2007 right now
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: covert24
i say sticky this. linux needs loving too. downloading pclinuxos-2007 right now

Ha, um... it is stickied. But it is good to hear some support :D
 

reverend boltron

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It went un-stickied for a day or so. I almost started crying because I thought it was my post that killed the thread. But I'm OK now.
 

MaxDepth

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Word of caution...ATI offered up tech specs on their video chipsets last month and while that is great and all, video is still quite problematic in any Linux distro.

If you go to Linux, I suggest using older hardware components. The latest and greatest hardware is very iffy in support on Linux.
 

konakona

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Here I have a kubuntu 7.10 LiveCD (64bit version) that I am trying to load up on my c2d machine. For whatever reason it crashes halfway through the splash screen, ending up in a messed up screen with broken up images all over the place.

My rig isnt anything special, just c2d/mobo/7300LE and emu 1212m - all of which are known to work well in linux.

There are both 32/64 bit versions of ubuntu (gnome 2.2) ISOs, but I am not in a mood to waste a whole dvd for an ISO that could fit on a cd - dont have a blank cd atm. More importantly, I want to try KDE 3.5 since I already had quite a few encounters with gnome in the past and KDE might be better for me from what I have gathered.

The secondary machine lacks an optical drive, testing the DVD there is not an option. I know the DVD burnt fine at least as it gets into the bootmenu no probs at all.

Please try not to tell me I need to download the 32bit version.
I dont wanna sit through another 4gig+ download :confused:
Lets see if we can get this working with what I have.
Thanks!
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: konakona
Here I have a kubuntu 7.10 LiveCD (64bit version) that I am trying to load up on my c2d machine. For whatever reason it crashes halfway through the splash screen, ending up in a messed up screen with broken up images all over the place.

My rig isnt anything special, just c2d/mobo/7300LE and emu 1212m - all of which are known to work well in linux.

There are both 32/64 bit versions of ubuntu (gnome 2.2) ISOs, but I am not in a mood to waste a whole dvd for an ISO that could fit on a cd - dont have a blank cd atm. More importantly, I want to try KDE 3.5 since I already had quite a few encounters with gnome in the past and KDE might be better for me from what I have gathered.

The secondary machine lacks an optical drive, testing the DVD there is not an option. I know the DVD burnt fine at least as it gets into the bootmenu no probs at all.

Please try not to tell me I need to download the 32bit version.
I dont wanna sit through another 4gig+ download :confused:
Lets see if we can get this working with what I have.
Thanks!

hmmm, on the laptop I put 7.10 on, it didn't even show the splash screen at all, just blank until the logon screen popped up. Frankly, 7.10 is buggy... buuuuuuuggy. I'm sticking with 7.04 on my laptop (used a separate partition to test 7.10 before upgrading my main install). I found several bugs which already had bug reports on them before I got to it. You should check Launchpad and see if there is a bug report on your issue, and submit one if you can't find it. 8.04 is going to be an LTS release so they are going to mostly be doing bugfixes between now and April to make sure the LTS release is solid.
 

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I updated the progress in another thread...

But anyway, I got it to work. It was just an unusually long load time that I wasnt very used to. Then when everything was said and done, the inputs are VEEEERY jerky, choppy and slow. Some googling turned me to suspect ACPI / USB input device support of ReactOS on which the liveCD is based on (I could be wrong, oh well...)

With such a jaw droppingly long load time, I dont think using the liveCD is going to be a realistic platform for me. QEMU looked way more attractive, so I decided to give it a shot with my usb drive + 7.10 ubuntu ISO. I got to try it on 3 different machines.

1) x64 vista (c2d/7300gt): loads fine, but terribly slow due to lack of x64 support on kqemu
2) x86 vista (a64/1900gt): "video server crashed 6 times..." error, never finishes loading. Googled it and found out it was a common problem with newer ATi cards, so the fix is due. I was told that I should modify some xconf file but not sure how to do it with qemu/usb drive
3) xp (32bit) at work: didnt work at all, just got stuck at some point... could be due to lack of user privilleges/permission on the xp end

I was a bit excited at first, but soon realized linux has never been hassle free. not that I mind, this is mostly so I have something to play around with and learn linux. I never saw it as a desktop replacement (I have too many programs that refuse to cooperate with wine) anyway :)