Lindsey Graham has to testify - our Judicial System still needs reform

emperus

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It's good he has to testify, but this is another example of the broken Us court system.

Two thoughts
1.) The ruling leaves too much room for abuse. There has to be some narrower line in the sand than "the legislator was doing some preliminary investigative inquiry". Esp. when that testimony is necessary for a criminal investigation.
2.) Something needs to be done about the length of time of these proceedings when privileges are involved. Per this ruling Lindsey Graham can simply answer "privileged" to every question and the prosecutor would have to sue again eating up more time. Look at Trump and his tax returns. There should be some system where the parties get an expediated hearing(days maybe a week) in an appellate court and then an expediated hearing in the Supreme Court especially when it involves these disputes between branches.

Trump and Co. have stress tested our institutions and the very least we can do is shore them up before someone more capable comes along.
 

kage69

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...so, yeah

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Judge imposter helping Graham considered focal in attempt to destroy democracy

This piece of shit is to justice what Betsy DeVos is to education.
 

Ken g6

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20 year term with no option to be reappointed
I'd rather have recalls, every two years. Automatic recalls on the Nine; recalls by petition on others. If 45% or more vote to recall they are recalled, and all cases before a recalled judge are reconsidered.

It's harsh, but we need fair rulings from the judiciary that a super-majority of the country can agree on.
 
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fskimospy

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Yes, one thing that would help limit abuse of the system is an ultra ultra fast track for all interbranch disputes. For example Trump’s tax returns should have been resolved in a matter of weeks or at most a couple months, not 3 1/2 years and counting. Something similar will happen with Graham I suspect, and this is on purpose.

Again though the main issue is the corruption of the courts. SCOTUS could resolve these things quickly if they wanted to, they just don’t want to.

Nine justices is far too few. Let’s make it 99.
 

Moonbeam

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Yes, one thing that would help limit abuse of the system is an ultra ultra fast track for all interbranch disputes. For example Trump’s tax returns should have been resolved in a matter of weeks or at most a couple months, not 3 1/2 years and counting. Something similar will happen with Graham I suspect, and this is on purpose.

Again though the main issue is the corruption of the courts. SCOTUS could resolve these things quickly if they wanted to, they just don’t want to.

Nine justices is far too few. Let’s make it 99.
At least nine times the the current US citizen population divided by the number of citizens at founding, multiplied again by the increased percentage of litigiousness in court cases.
 

kage69

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I still think one Justice per circuit court is the way to sell it, for precisely the reason you outlined fski. In addition to no life terms. Maybe later it can go to 94, one for every district court?

Clarence Thomas is an even more pressing problem though. I hope voters can motivate themselves enough in the coming days so that something can eventually be done about the traitor. That absolute disgrace and his batshit wife need to go way.

Restoring credibility and demographic legitimacy to our highest court needs to happen.
 
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Thump553

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IMO the problem is not with the life terms, but with the cavalier and partisan attitude the Senate has taken towards exercising it's CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED DUTY to advise and consent to the appointments in the last few decades. It all began with the Bork nomination, when a large number of Democratic senators said they would not vote to approve his confirmation basically because Bork, although scholarly, held very (then) fringe beliefs about what the Constitution said. That has devolved since then, driven nearly entirely by the GOP, into confirmation votes being a purely partisan matter.

Quite frankly regardless of what you think of their political views, the qualifications of the justices Trump nominated was shockingly low. Their two main features were partisan ideology and youth.

The Senate majority leader should never have the power to prevent the Senate from doing its constitutional DUTY in voting on the confirmations, as McConnell did. Senate procedural rules should not prevail over what the Constitution requires.
 

ivwshane

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Been saying it for years. Lifetime appointments are a mistake. This seditionist fucker needs to go at a minimum. Be held accountable for his actions at best.

Sounds good in theory but the reality is that it would just create a revolving door where biased judges make rulings and then get a nice payday when they retire.
 

vi edit

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Compared to the shit show we have now? I think that almost sounds better than holding an 80 something hostage waiting for a regime change so they can nope out only to be replaced by shallow halfwits that have torn us apart and will be there for the next 40 years.
 
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