lil help for new build

Proverbs

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So I am finally looking to build a new rig. The last rig I built was 5 years ago when I was actually more in tuned with things going on in the hardware market but as time goes on and work changes its fairly easy to not have the time to keep up with this stuff.

First off I'll be using this rig for the most part gaming (WoW, SC2, DIII, Steam). Also enjoy watching movies and amassing my stockpile of music!

I'd like to only spend around $1500 but does not mean limited to it. I live in the eastern part of the states so all parts will be bought in the states.

I don't care much for brandings as long as it works and does the job I'm down for it! This will be a brand new rig, built from the bottom up with no used parts.

Plan to overclock this system, don't know much in how to go about overclocking but that won't stop me from figuring it out.

Playing in 1920 X 1080 resolution.

And I plan on getting it built between now and the end of November for Cata's release on Dec 7th.

I have done some research for building this new rig. I'm wondering should I go with a p55 board or an x58? I feel as if for the money and performance the i7s are the way to go even though my two best buds refuse to help me build this rig unless I get an amd chip! like thats going to stop me. I was thinking since the i7-950 chip just came down to $294, it would be a great to pick up!

So far the only thing I have bought is the case!

Silverstone FT02B-W Flying Fortress ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-161-_-Product )

Final thoughts, looking to get the best bang for my buck without going overboard on all new stuff that will be outdated very shortly! Almost like buying the 2nd best stuff because its price has already been reduced!

Thank you in advance for any help!
 

zi0n.

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is your budget excluding that case you just bought? ....now that is a expensive case.
 

muskie32

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A x58 build:

RAM
CPU/MOBO
Video Card 6870 or GTX 470
CPU cooler H70 or Thermaltake Frio
DVD burner Drive or Blue-Ray drive
Hard Drive
120GB SSD



A LGA 1156 Build:

CPU
Mobo
Ram (Use code GSKILLTEN for $10 off)
Video Card 6870 or GTX 470
CPU cooler H70 or Thermaltake Frio
DVD burner Drive or Blue-Ray drive
Hard Drive
120GB SSD

i5 Build:

CPU/MOBO
RAM
Video Card 6870 or GTX 470
CPU cooler H70 or Thermaltake Frio
DVD burner Drive or Blue-Ray drive
Hard Drive
120GB SSD


AMD AM3 build:

CPU/MOBO
RAM
Video Card 6870 or GTX 470
CPU cooler H70 or Thermaltake Frio
DVD burner Drive or Blue-Ray drive
Hard Drive
120GB SSD

The i5 Build should be the best for gaming. And the x58 should be the best for video editing/ photoshop type tasks. :)

Edit:
I forgot to put a >PSU< in.
 
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Proverbs

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Guess I didn't think of the monitor and such being essential but already have that stuff!
Why the vertex2 over say corsair f120? Have looked at a few different tests and results seem to favor the f120 over vertex2 for gaming.
What is the difference for getting the i5 over the i7 for gaming? Just price?
 
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fffblackmage

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i5/i7 on LGA1156 has a more effective turbo boost than the i7 on LGA1366.

It's not obvious, but Clarkdale and Nehalem are quite different. Clarkdale has an integrated PCIe controller. Nehalem doesnt, though maybe that doesn't matter too much since it has the QPI instead of DMI.... Oh nevermind.

I'm not sure if it matters if you pick the Vertex 2 or Corsair Force. They're both Sandforce-based drives and differences in performance won't be significant.
 

Proverbs

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so is that like the HT for the i7s? or is ht completely different? I would still think the i7-950 would still be a great processor for gaming and better then an i5, I do understand the i5s can be highly overclocked though from what I've read.

Also would a simple 650 psu be enough? Was thinking of possibly going crossfire or sli depending on which card I get. The new 6870s seems to be really nice, looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...xfx&#37;206870. I've also read that the 470s is a really great card for price not sure how these two compare against each other though.

I've heard people say if going with an intel cpu go with an nvida card and vice versa for ati and amd. Is there any truth to this or was this more a thing of the past?
 

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so is that like the HT for the i7s? or is ht completely different? I would still think the i7-950 would still be a great processor for gaming and better then an i5, I do understand the i5s can be highly overclocked though from what I've read.

HT and Turbo Boost are completely different. HT creates some extra logical processors that help in heavily-threaded tasks (not gaming). Turbo Boost is auto overclocking like Zion said. Both the 1366 and 1156 have Turbo, but the 1156s CPUs have much better turbo.

Also would a simple 650 psu be enough? Was thinking of possibly going crossfire or sli depending on which card I get. The new 6870s seems to be really nice, looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...xfx%206870. I've also read that the 470s is a really great card for price not sure how these two compare against each other though.

6870's sip power, so a 650W would be fine for two of those.

I've heard people say if going with an intel cpu go with an nvida card and vice versa for ati and amd. Is there any truth to this or was this more a thing of the past?

Nope, no truth to that.

If you want to spend closer to $1500, take Zion's build and swap the 460 for two 6870s.
 

fffblackmage

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so is that like the HT for the i7s? or is ht completely different? I would still think the i7-950 would still be a great processor for gaming and better then an i5, I do understand the i5s can be highly overclocked though from what I've read.
You can have the best of both worlds. An i7-8xx has the better turbo boost of the i5 and has HT like the i7-9xx. But like others mentioned, HT has very little to no impact on gaming.
 

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Was wondering would it be ideal to buy two 6850s and OC them or do you think I would be just fine with sticking to one 6870?
 

Proverbs

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So far the list of parts I've come up with

CPU i5-760 = $208.99
Mobo ASUS SABERTOOTH 55i = $129.99 with MIR
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/c...e=G.skill_ram_DDR3_8GB-_-20-231-311-_-ProductVideo Card XFX 6870 = $254.99
DVD burner Drive LITE-ON iHAS424-98 = $23.99
Hard Drive + OS Samsung SpinPoint F3 / Win7 64 home = $134.08 (From www.Superbiiz.com )
120GB SSD Corsair Force120 = $199.99 with MIR
Case Silverstone FT02B-W = 234.99 (Already have)

Still undecided on the Ram and PSU,

For PSU's looking at a SeaSonic X750 Gold or Thermaltake TPG-750M
For Ram I have no idea really is 1333 fine or will I notice a decent improvement for spending a little more for 1600?

Also not sure about the CPU Cooler, could go with a Thermaltake Frio which would match very nicely with the thermaltake PSU and GPU. But its also twice as much as the 212+.

 

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I've never ordered from them personally, but some people on here like them (jaydee or jchu?).

Yep. No problem at all with superbiiz. With coupon code they have often, their prices on Samsung F3 and some of heatsinks can't be beat.
 

mfenn

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So far the list of parts I've come up with

CPU i5-760 = $208.99
Mobo ASUS SABERTOOTH 55i = $129.99 with MIR
Video Card XFX 6870 = $254.99
DVD burner Drive LITE-ON iHAS424-98 = $23.99
Hard Drive + OS Samsung SpinPoint F3 / Win7 64 home = $134.08 (From www.Superbiiz.com )
120GB SSD Corsair Force120 = $199.99 with MIR
Case Silverstone FT02B-W = 234.99 (Already have)

Still undecided on the Ram and PSU,

For PSU's looking at a SeaSonic X750 Gold or Thermaltake TPG-750M
For Ram I have no idea really is 1333 fine or will I notice a decent improvement for spending a little more for 1600?

Also not sure about the CPU Cooler, could go with a Thermaltake Frio which would match very nicely with the thermaltake PSU and GPU. But its also twice as much as the 212+.

Looks fine, but both of those PSUs cost way too damn much. A 650TX would be a much better choice. You'll never make back the $100 extra that you spent on the PSU in terms of energy savings.
 

Proverbs

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Any suggestions for Ram? I've been looking through the QVL for this mobo and pickings seem slim at best. Should I go for 1333 or perhaps 1600?
 

fffblackmage

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If you're not planning on overclocking, you can get away with just using DDR3-1333. I highly recommend using ram that runs on just 1.5V.
GeIL Value PLUS 4GB $60
PQI TURBO 4GB $60
Patriot 4GB $60
You can pick your favorite brand or whatever. Any of those should work fine.
edit: noticed the PQI memory didn't list voltage either. The PQI website lists it as 1.5V-1.7V.

If you do plan on OCing, then maybe DDR3-1600 is a better choice.
G.SKILL 4GB DDR3-1600 $75
There's a set of GEIL ram for $5 less, but it didn't list what voltage it used...
 
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Proverbs

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Definitely get 1.5V for a Nehalem based system. The G.Skill DDR3 1333 is good, as are the GeIL and Patriot that blackmage suggested.

What is the difference for the 1.5V vs 1.65V? How does that effect things overall? and If planning to OC I should be going for 1600?
 

mfenn

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What is the difference for the 1.5V vs 1.65V? How does that effect things overall? and If planning to OC I should be going for 1600?

Well 1.5V is .15 volts less than 1.65V. :p But seriously, it is not recommended to operate the Nehalem memory controller at over 1.5V. Any higher can severely shorten its lifespan.

DDR3 1600 isn't strictly necessary for overclocking, but it can give you more flexibility when playing around with the BCLK:DRAM dividers.
 
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