lil cousin got an x800 xt but he has an amd xp 2600+

[tvdang7]

i know he is bottlenecked but is it alot?

i had an x800 xt with an amd 3800+ and i had like 100+ frames for the stresstest in CS:S

and he has a x800xt agp with an old amd xp2600+ .

no mater what i do put it on low or high it gets between 55-59 in stresstest.

is the cpu limiting it? or is it possibly becuase he has an agp 4 x board.

 

[Atheus]

The Athlon XPs are not that bad, the slow agp bus (and the bandwidth of the system in general) would make much more of a difference. Have you tried overclocking? If you overclock the processor and don't gain much you will know that's not the problem.

 

[JAG87]

thats retarded, he should get 80-90 at least. Something else is wrong with that computer. maybe ram?

 

[JBT]

guys are you sure? I saw a significant increase in performance from A64 from AXP. I even had my AXP at 2.4GHz too. a stock 2600XP is going to be pretty slow in Source since it is pretty CPU limited.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
i know he is bottlenecked but is it alot?

i had an x800 xt with an amd 3800+ and i had like 100+ frames for the stresstest in CS:S

and he has a x800xt agp with an old amd xp2600+ .

no mater what i do put it on low or high it gets between 55-59 in stresstest.

is the cpu limiting it? or is it possibly becuase he has an agp 4 x board.

I have an XP 3200+ and an X800XT and I get in the high 90s for the stress test. Maybe he should overclock his cpu, the Athlon XPs were very memory limited(small, slow cache, low bandwidth, and high latency) so a higher fsb would help it out a lot. If he doesn't have an nforce2 board, try to pick up one cheap, then overclock the memory and fsb (1:1 ratio) as high as you can go. Try to hit 200, if not you'll probably hit at least 166mhz, and maybe somewhere in between 166 and 200. Oh, and the best memory timings on nforces 2 board were 3-3-3-11. (one of those is CAS, just look in the memory settings and set all except the highest value to 3, and the highest value can become 11)
I doubt AGP is hurting it that much.

 

[AzNPinkTuv]

just a suggestion but vsync?

 

[TheRyuu]

Newer Drivers, fresh install, etc.

 

[Powered by AMD]

at 1280x960, with all on HIGH, and NO AA, NO AF, I get 111 FPS on my Athlon XP 2.35 Ghz and X800 Pro@16 pipes stock speed.

 

[cmrmrc]

what is the motherboard?

nforce 2 chipsets are about 30% faster in games than VIA or SIS value chipsets

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: AzNPinkTuv
just a suggestion but vsync?

Good point, vsync is likely to keep his framerate down.

 

[tvdang7]

ok im back it is a fresh install newest drivers and 1.25 gigs of ram. i think its pc2100 we just bought the ram. im pretty sure the other ram is pc2100 also. 1 1 gig and 1 256 both generic. its a compaq so no overclocking allowed......... dont rememeber what mobo brand is. ill try to make sure vsync isnt on im almost 100% it wasnt on but that might explain why its hovering around 59's right?

well in game of around 10 ppl he gets like 30 average and 15+ he gets like 20 + frames its very unplayable. im sure somehting is wrong i even have casey's config in there from cal forums.

also noticed at toms hardware theres 2 xp 2600+'s? 1 seems alot better than the other.


EDIT any one recommend a nice board and do i need overclocking ram to accompany it?

 

[Powered by AMD]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
EDIT any one recommend a nice board and do i need overclocking ram to accompany it?

ABIT NF7S 2.0 is the best for OC Athlon XP.
I have a MSI K7N2 Delta2 Platinum and it offers me good OC too (up to 213 Mhz FSB).
A DFI Infinity or Ultra B is also a good choice. or an Epox too.
But if you have PC2100 (266Mhz) memory it will for sure limit your OC.
The best way to make an Athlon XP OC fine is going up with FSB. from 133 to 200 is OK in most Thoroughbred B cores.
Check CPU Z to know which core your Athlon XP is.
If its Thoroughbred rev B you will be fone for OCing.
Its for sure a rev B anyways, cos Thoroughbred A are only up to 2100+ I think.

 

[tvdang7]

what kind of ram do i need then 333? can you recommend a lower quality baord? that one still goes for a lot of money.

 

[Captante]

One important thing to keep in mind regarding overclocking AXP/NForce 2 systems is that unless that 2600+ is multiplier-unlocked it may cause problems because running it at a speed other then 166mhz or 200mhz fsb stands a decent chance of corrupting the harddrive. Those chipsets IDE & PCI bus's were tied directly to the fsb & even if everything seems fine for awhile, disk errors can easily compound & result in an un-bootable system at any given time & the further off spec you run things (meaning the further from 33mhz your PCI bus is running) the more likely this is to happen... I lived it more then once!

Not trying to scare you & its also possible you'll be able to run at an off-spec bus speed for a long time with no problems, but regardless of whats been said here already, even if you somhow get to 2.4ghz with that chip (extremely unlikely) it won't be nearly as fast as your A64 was, so you might want to consider wether its worth the hassle of re-installing everything if there is a problem.

Edit: What resolution are you running at when you get 50-60fps in the CS:S stress-test?

 

[tvdang7]

10x7 i did 800x600 and lower and scores actually went down liek 1-2 frames from previous. something is def up any guesses?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
what kind of ram do i need then 333? can you recommend a lower quality baord? that one still goes for a lot of money.

Use cpu-z to check what kind of ram you have.
Oh, and since it's cheap enough, you should get PC3200 ram.
However, most likely upgrading his system is not worth it. He can get a socket 754 sempron 3100 + and motherboard for around $90, and even with his current ram, it will blow his current system away in performance.
If you really want to go nforce 2 on athlon xp, I'd recommend a shuttle(preferrably) or a biostar board, they should be cheap if you can find them. The Shuttle AN35N Ultra was actually a very good overclocker, one of the best and it was only $50 new.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

get a cheap 754 mobo + cpu combo from your local fry's for ~$100 and you're set to go.

 

[tvdang7]

yea but he doesnt want a new system i just wanted to get to the bottom of the bottomnecking problem. since the guy up there has an amd xp cpu running 2.3 with about the same card and gets double the frame rates