Lifting the Shroud . . .

CaptnKirk

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Of Secrecy Places by the Bush Administration

As more of the insiders resign, and later come forward with the 'Inner Workings' of this Administration,
we find that they are not for this Country, but for thier own 'Secret Agenda' to control everyone by deceitfulness.
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From the day it took office, U.S. News & World Report wrote a few months ago, the Bush administration "dropped a shroud of secrecy" over the federal government. After 9/11, the administration's secretiveness knew no limits ? Americans, Ari Fleischer ominously warned, "need to watch what they say, watch what they do." Patriotic citizens were supposed to accept the administration's version of events, not ask awkward questions.

But something remarkable has been happening lately: more and more insiders are finding the courage to reveal the truth on issues ranging from mercury pollution ? yes, Virginia, polluters do write the regulations these days, and never mind the science ? to the war on terror.

It's important, when you read the inevitable attempts to impugn the character of the latest whistle-blower, to realize just how risky it is to reveal awkward truths about the Bush administration. When Gen. Eric Shinseki told Congress that postwar Iraq would require a large occupation force, that was the end of his military career. When Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV revealed that the 2003 State of the Union speech contained information known to be false, someone in the White House destroyed his wife's career by revealing that she was a C.I.A. operative. And we now know that Richard Foster, the Medicare system's chief actuary, was threatened with dismissal if he revealed to Congress the likely cost of the administration's prescription drug plan.

The latest insider to come forth, of course, is Richard Clarke, <ALT-CODE idsrc="nyt-per-pol" value="Bush, George W" />George Bush's former counterterrorism czar and the author of the just-published "Against All Enemies."

On "60 Minutes" on Sunday, Mr. Clarke said the previously unsayable: that Mr. Bush, the self-proclaimed "war president," had "done a terrible job on the war against terrorism." After a few hours of shocked silence, the character assassination began. He "may have had a grudge to bear since he probably wanted a more prominent position," declared Dick Cheney, who also says that Mr. Clarke was "out of the loop." (What loop? Before 9/11, Mr. Clarke was the administration's top official on counterterrorism.) It's "more about politics and a book promotion than about policy," Scott McClellan said.

Of course, Bush officials have to attack Mr. Clarke's character because there is plenty of independent evidence confirming the thrust of his charges.

Did the Bush administration ignore terrorism warnings before 9/11? Justice Department documents obtained by the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, show that it did. Not only did John Ashcroft completely drop terrorism as a priority ? it wasn't even mentioned in his list of seven "strategic goals" ? just one day before 9/11 he proposed a reduction in counterterrorism funds.

Did the administration neglect counterterrorism even after 9/11? After 9/11 the F.B.I. requested $1.5 billion for counterterrorism operations, but the White House slashed this by two-thirds. (Meanwhile, the Bush campaign has been attacking <ALT-CODE idsrc="nyt-per-pol" value="Kerry, John F" />John Kerry because he once voted for a small cut in intelligence funds.)

Oh, and the next time terrorists launch an attack on American soil, they will find their task made much easier by the administration's strange reluctance, even after 9/11, to protect potential targets. In November 2001 a bipartisan delegation urged the president to spend about $10 billion on top-security priorities like ports and nuclear sites. But Mr. Bush flatly refused.

Finally, did some top officials really want to respond to 9/11 not by going after Al Qaeda, but by attacking Iraq? Of course they did. "From the very first moments after Sept. 11," Kenneth Pollack told "Frontline," "there was a group of people, both inside and outside the administration, who believed that the war on terrorism . . . should target Iraq first." Mr. Clarke simply adds more detail.

Still, the administration would like you to think that Mr. Clarke had base motives in writing his book. But given the hawks' dominance of the best-seller lists until last fall, it's unlikely that he wrote it for the money. Given the assumption by most political pundits, until very recently, that Mr. Bush was guaranteed re-election, it's unlikely that he wrote it in the hopes of getting a political job. And given the Bush administration's penchant for punishing its critics, he must have known that he was taking a huge personal risk.

So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.
 

DoubleL

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Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: DoubleL
Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind

What 9/11 happened during Clinton? Are you that blind?

 

maddogchen

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So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.

Clarke wrote the book right after he retired. He wanted it released last year. The White House sat on the book for months and months while reviewing to be sure classified secrets were not revealed.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.

How long does it take to write a book. How much time did he have available. Lots of other questions you could ask.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: maddogchen
So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.

How long does it take to write a book. How much time did he have available. Lots of other questions you could ask.

For example, you could ask if the book needed reviewing and by whom and did they work in a timely manner. :D
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: DoubleL
Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind

What 9/11 happened during Clinton? Are you that blind?

No but

the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

and the

1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

and the

1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel

and the

1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000

and finally the

2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors

all happened under Klinton and nothing was done.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.


I don't care what his intentions were... why should anyone care.. as long as he let the lies from Bush and his cabinet be known.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: DoubleL
Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind

What 9/11 happened during Clinton? Are you that blind?

No but

the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

and the

1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

and the

1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel

and the

1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000

and finally the

2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors

all happened under Klinton and nothing was done.
So Clinton was as fscked up as Bush? Ok, I can agree with that! Forunately Clinton isn't running for President. Unfortunately the Dub is!
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: DoubleL
Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind






Kicked the ---- out of who's?

Who do you think was behind 9/11, and how have they been kicked?

Just because some people might be interested in the truth, you label them "Bush haters"?





 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So Clinton was as fscked up as Bush? Ok, I can agree with that! Forunately Clinton isn't running for President. Unfortunately the Dub is!

The point is that Bush failed to realize the imporance of taking preemptive measures against a suspected terrorist threat, after said action military moves were made, whereas Klinton had many attacks occur under his watch which were ignored or diplomacy was attempted and obviously failed for had it worked 9/11 never would have happened.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: DoubleL
Well the way I see your post is, LOL LOL Clinton had 8 years to do something and he did nothing, Bush had 8 months and kicked the ---- out of the ones that did 9/11, Are you Bush haters really that blind

Who has he kicked the --- out of? The ones that did it directly sort of died while doing it. The network that made it happen is kind of still at large. No?

IRAQ WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: maddogchen
So why did he write it? How about this: Maybe he just wanted the public to know the truth.

My question is this: If he wanted the public to know the truth, why didn't he write this sooner? Why did he wait till now when the hype for anti-Bush is at an all time high?

I still think he's after the $$$. Even if it won't be a best-seller, he'll still make plenty of $$$ because he's releasing it at the right time to maximize his profits.


I don't care what his intentions were... why should anyone care.. as long as he let the lies from Bush and his cabinet be known.

Yes, now after your edit, it makes more sense. As for his intentions, I think it does matter. If he intends to make more money he could exaggerate parts to make his book more controversial, gain more publicity, and result in more sales.
 

CaptnKirk

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Blowing the Whistle on Bush's (Stupidity) 9/11 Failures
Editorial Opinion by Every Conservatives favorie author, Robert Scheer, L.A. Times
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Yeah, these guys that are coming out against Bush Jr. are Life Long Inner Circle Republicans
that served in high capacities under Reagan, and Bush Daddy, with ties back to Nixon.
Do you really think they were planted there by those Conservative Leaders to be a Clinton Mole ?
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President Bush failed the country in its hour of greatest need, according to his administration's top anti-terrorism advisor during the crisis. Richard Clarke, who served every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan before resigning last May, has leveled a powerful charge that must be answered with something more than the usual White House smears.

"Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for reelection on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism," Clarke said on "60 Minutes." "He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe he could have done something to stop 9/11."

Clarke's critique of Bush's leadership in a time of crisis is documented in a new book, "Against All Enemies," and will be amplified in testimony before the national commission on the 9/11 attacks.

And just in time, too. Bush's "I am the war president" speeches have made it clear that terrorism will be the central theme in his campaign. This is not surprising, since opinion polls suggest that Americans are unimpressed with the administration except when it comes to its response to 9/11.

Knowing this, the administration has launched a frontal attack on John Kerry's ability to fight the war on terror, which the president again defined Friday in apocalyptic terms. "There is no neutral ground, no neutral ground in the fight between civilization and terror, because there is no neutral ground between good and evil, freedom and slavery, and life and death," said Bush, implying that anybody who differs with the administration on the best way to fight terrorism is basically in the camp of the "evildoers."

The appalling indifference of the incoming Bush team in 2001 to the clear and present danger presented by Osama bin Laden's organization has been noted before, perhaps most strikingly by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, who reported that Bush and most of his Cabinet were obsessed with Iraq, not Al Qaeda, from the first day of the administration. This, despite the fact that Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. destroyer Cole just weeks before Bush's election, killing 17 U.S. sailors. The outgoing Clinton national security team said it pleaded with the incoming Bush team to make Al Qaeda its No. 1 security priority.

"We had a terrorist organization that was going after us!" Clarke told CBS' Lesley Stahl. "That should have been the first item on the agenda. And it was pushed back and back and back for months." Clarke was never invited to brief the president before 9/11, even after he says he wrote a memo to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice "asking for, urgently ? underlined urgently ? a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending Al Qaeda attack. And that urgent memo wasn't acted on."

After more than 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 by 19 hijackers, none of whom were Iraqi, Clarke said, "The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this,' " Clarke told CBS. "Now, he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this. I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We've looked at it with an open mind. There is no connection.' He came back at me and said, 'Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."

That report, based on all available intelligence evidence and cleared by both the CIA and the FBI, showed no Iraq connection to 9/11. However, Clarke said, "We sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the national security advisor or deputy. It got bounced and sent back, saying, 'Wrong answer?. Do it again.' "

If what Clarke says is true, the American people would be wise to bounce this president right out of office come November.
 

DoubleL

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What 9/11 happened during Clinton? Are you that blind?
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No but

the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

and the

1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

and the

1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel

and the

1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000

and finally the

2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors

all happened under Klinton and nothing was done.
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Could not have said it better and if Bush had been in office then you would have the 93 world trade center bombing and nothing to add, Bush would have kicked ass and taken names
 

maddogchen

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Clarke wrote the book right after he retired. He wanted it released last year. The White House sat on the book for months and months while reviewing to be sure classified secrets were not revealed.

Ok, that answered my question.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So Clinton was as fscked up as Bush? Ok, I can agree with that! Forunately Clinton isn't running for President. Unfortunately the Dub is!

The point is that Bush failed to realize the imporance of taking preemptive measures against a suspected terrorist threat, after said action military moves were made, whereas Klinton had many attacks occur under his watch which were ignored or diplomacy was attempted and obviously failed for had it worked 9/11 never would have happened.
Prior to 9/11 the most Bush would have been able to do is what Clinton did as far as taking out the Taliban. Without the magnitude of that attack there is no way he would have gotten enough public or political support to invade Afghanistan (and Iraq). I think the difference between the Clinton Administration and the Dubs is that the Dub's was determined to do what ever it took to rub out the Baathist regime in Iraq and the attacks on 9/11 gave them the perfect opportunity to carry out their agenda. The only thing that could have played more into their predetermined strategy is if those 9/11 attacks were carried out by Iraqi agents instead of Al Qaeda.

That said, both the Clinton and the Dub failed to protect the American Public against terrorist attacks. Unfortunately for the Dub that catostraphic attack came on his watch which makes him responsible for that failure.
 

CaptnKirk

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"No but

the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

and the

1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

and the

1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel"

All of which were in process of implementation as the results of failed diplomacy of the
Reagan and Bush-1 Administrations that proceeded the Clinton Administration.
When Clinton tried to do anything to go after these operatives, the Republican Congress and Senate
Began the 'Wag the Dog' stories, as they were first more concerned about the Whitewater Fiasco,
and then they replaced that with Monicas appetite for pork sausage.
Had they pulled their collective heads out of their asses, none of that would have happened, providing
that they would have got behind Clinton and actually made Terrorists the target it should have been.
Instead they targeted Clintons Lifestyle, it was more important to them than the Countries well being.

You know someone is totally clueless when they have to start a rebuttal with 'No but'
(At least we know that they're NOT talking about J-Lo.)
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Prior to 9/11 the most Bush would have been able to do is what Clinton did as far as taking out the Taliban. Without the magnitude of that attack there is no way he would have gotten enough public or political support to invade Afghanistan (and Iraq). I think the difference between the Clinton Administration and the Dubs is that the Dub's was determined to do what ever it took to rub out the Baathist regime in Iraq and the attacks on 9/11 gave them the perfect opportunity to carry out their agenda. The only thing that could have played more into their predetermined strategy is if those 9/11 attacks were carried out by Iraqi agents instead of Al Qaeda.

That said, both the Clinton and the Dub failed to protect the American Public against terrorist attacks. Unfortunately for the Dub that catostraphic attack came on his watch which makes him responsible for that failure.

Here is where I have to disagree with you Red as I feel that under Bush a much bigger deal would have been made of the initial bombing attempt in 93 than it was with Klinton, I think his spin machine would have made it seem so imperative that we strike back that the other actions might not have occured, which is a stark contrast from the european "talk our way out of everything" style of foreign policy that Klinton and Kerry seem so fond of...

I agree, more could have been done to prevent 9/11 but since the administration before didn't care I think the Bush admin was too busy worrying about their transition into office and felt that it wasn't a pressing matter...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
<STRONG>"No but

the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

and the

1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

and the

1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel"

</STRONG>All of which were in process of implementation as the results of failed diplomacy of the
Reagan and Bush-1 Administrations that proceeded the Clinton Administration.
When Clinton tried to do anything to go after these operatives, the Republican Congress and Senate
Began the 'Wag the Dog' stories, as they were first more concerned about the Whitewater Fiasco,
and then they replaced that with Monicas appetite for pork sausage.
Had they pulled their collective heads out of their asses, none of that would have happened, providing
that they would have got behind Clinton and actually made Terrorists the target it should have been.
Instead they targeted Clintons Lifestyle, it was more important to them than the Countries well being.

You know someone is totally clueless when they have to start a rebuttal with <STRONG>'No but'
</STRONG>(At least we know that they're NOT talking about J-Lo.)
After that debacle in Somalia I do believe that Clinton was real hesitent to put boots on the ground. Sure Special Ops, Bombing and Missile strikes weren't a problem but I really feel that the last thing he wanted to do was commit ground troops to any active warfare.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Prior to 9/11 the most Bush would have been able to do is what Clinton did as far as taking out the Taliban. Without the magnitude of that attack there is no way he would have gotten enough public or political support to invade Afghanistan (and Iraq). I think the difference between the Clinton Administration and the Dubs is that the Dub's was determined to do what ever it took to rub out the Baathist regime in Iraq and the attacks on 9/11 gave them the perfect opportunity to carry out their agenda. The only thing that could have played more into their predetermined strategy is if those 9/11 attacks were carried out by Iraqi agents instead of Al Qaeda.

That said, both the Clinton and the Dub failed to protect the American Public against terrorist attacks. Unfortunately for the Dub that catostraphic attack came on his watch which makes him responsible for that failure.

Here is where I have to disagree with you Red as I feel that under Bush a much bigger deal would have been made of the initial bombing attempt in 93 than it was with Klinton, I think his spin machine would have made it seem so imperative that we strike back that the other actions might not have occured, which is a stark contrast from the european "talk our way out of everything" style of foreign policy that Klinton and Kerry seem so fond of...

I agree, more could have been done to prevent 9/11 but since the administration before didn't care I think the Bush admin was too busy worrying about their transition into office and felt that it wasn't a pressing matter...
Well that in itself is a damning statement against the Dub's Administration

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So Clinton was as fscked up as Bush? Ok, I can agree with that! Forunately Clinton isn't running for President. Unfortunately the Dub is!

The point is that Bush failed to realize the imporance of taking preemptive measures against a suspected terrorist threat, after said action military moves were made, whereas Klinton had many attacks occur under his watch which were ignored or diplomacy was attempted and obviously failed for had it worked 9/11 never would have happened.
Perhaps Bush should have learned from Clinton's mistakes then? After all, your own words claim there were 8 years of terror attacks and "nothing done." Bush should have resolved to take out the terrorists right away, not wait until the worst terrorist attack on America occurred on his watch.
Fact is, Bush was phoning in his presidency up until 9/11. No mandate to lead from the 2000 election fiasco coupled with his desire to take long vacations ranching it up in Crawford. No wonder he couldn't pay attention to national security. It was hardly a priority.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn


Well that in itself is a damning statement against the Dub's Administration

Hindsight is always 20/20 Red, I would be more than willing to bet that anyone in the same position would have done the same thing...Klinton obviously didn't take it seriously, and while there were indications that plans were in the works for some kind of an attack who knew it was that far along and would be that great of a magnitude.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Perhaps Bush should have learned from Clinton's mistakes then? After all, your own words claim there were 8 years of terror attacks and "nothing done." Bush should have resolved to take out the terrorists right away, not wait until the worst terrorist attack on America occurred on his watch.
Fact is, Bush was phoning in his presidency up until 9/11. No mandate to lead from the 2000 election fiasco coupled with his desire to take long vacations ranching it up in Crawford. No wonder he couldn't pay attention to national security. It was hardly a priority.

See my response to Red Deal, the only difference between the answer I gave him and the one I will give you is that with Red I generally understand his viewpoint wheras I see you as another one of those "anyone but Bush" morons....

It is like a double edged sword as you have Red saying that 9/11 and its magnitude was enough justification for action and then you have you saying that even with no event we should have just jumped in balls to the wall and started taking people out...I am willing to bet had we done that you would be on the opposite side of the fence crying "unfair" and "damn Bush" because he acted without provocation.

Like I said, anyone that came into office then would have done the same thing, the only difference is that the action was responded to with military action whereas under Robot Gore we would still be talking about what we should do.