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Lifetime warranty... isn't

taltamir

Lifer
So for the third time today someone brought up the "lifetime warranty" issue (as an argument for buying a specific part) and I had to correct him...

So I thought I will start a thread.

Lifetime warranty isn't warranty for life. It is warranty for the time the manufacturer think it will take the product to become obsolete. Normally this is 3 years. I have seen many 1 year and even a 6 month one once!

So when you read "lifetime warranty" keep in mind that they are playing word games with you...

Oh and its always limited lifetime warranty at that. So they can further screw you out of a deserved warranty part...

EDIT: It was pointed out to me that eVGA supposedly have a life time warranty that lasts for a lifetime...
However, only for certain products. Some of its product list lifetime warranty and it lasts for 3 years. Some lists lifetime warranty and it means a lifetime... All of them get cut to only 1 year if you don't register within 30 days of purchase and require you to jump through hoops.
 
Only if you register within 30 days of purchase. Otherwise it is one year... except for some parts it only 3 years even if you DO register...

From the evga website:

* All EVGA Products purchased ON or AFTER November 1, 2006 MUST be registered within 30 days from ORIGINAL DATE OF PURCHASE to receive limited lifetime warranty. (All products not registered within 30 days will ONLY receive a 1 year limited warranty.)
* Removal and or Defacing of Serial/Part number sticker(s) on ANY EVGA products WILL void ALL warranties.
* ALL Defective products sent in for RMA replacement MUST INCLUDE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL INVOICE / RECEIPT. (Products NOT including invoice/receipt will be returned to the customer at customer?s expense.)
* Limited Lifetime Warranty is for all retail Graphics Card and Mainboard products ending in the part numbers A1, AR, AX, BR*, BX*, DR, DX, FR, FX, SG, SL, or S2.
* [Replacement products are shipped out as ?BR or ?BX and will carry the same limited lifetime warranty that your original purchase had based on your registration.]
* All retail Graphics Card and Mainboard products ending in the part number K1 receive a limited 3 year warranty when registered within 30 days from ORIGINAL DATE OF PURCHASE.
* There is no physical damage to the PCB, GPU/chipset, or components that are caused by: Damage due to improper installation, damage during modification of any kind, damage during any type of Aftermarket cooling installation, and water damage of any kind.
* All replacement products shipped out for replacement are recertified by EVGA to uphold the quality and guarantee of our products.
* All RMA products will require the customer to pay for shipping to EVGA. EVGA will cover all return shipping back for the RMA replacement with (Ground) Shipping through UPS.*
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
So for the third time today someone brought up the "lifetime warranty" issue (as an argument for buying a specific part) and I had to correct him...

So I thought I will start a thread.

Lifetime warranty isn't warranty for life. It is warranty for the time the manufacturer think it will take the product to become obsolete. Normally this is 3 years. I have seen many 1 year and even a 6 month one once!

So when you read "lifetime warranty" keep in mind that they are playing word games with you...

Oh and its always limited lifetime warranty at that. So they can further screw you out of a deserved warranty part...

For you to make a blanket statement like that is a bit ignorant. All one has to do it read the warranty to see what the terms are... for example EVGA does in fact offer a lifetime warranty... as long as you are alive and you are the original owner... its covered... so stop spreading these false ideas.


For our retail Graphics Card and Mainboard products purchased on or after June 22, 2005, EVGA will provide a limited lifetime warranty to the original purchaser of each retail product that the product will not suffer, in material or workmanship, from any defect that adversely affects the performance of the product. This limited lifetime warranty is valid for the life of the retail product, so long as the original purchaser owns the product, based upon the following conditions:

All EVGA Products purchased ON or AFTER November 1, 2006 MUST be registered within 30 days from ORIGINAL DATE OF PURCHASE to receive limited lifetime warranty. (All products not registered within 30 days will ONLY receive a 1 year limited warranty.)
Removal and or Defacing of Serial/Part number sticker(s) on ANY EVGA products WILL void ALL warranties.
ALL Defective products sent in for RMA replacement MUST INCLUDE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL INVOICE / RECEIPT. (Products NOT including invoice/receipt will be returned to the customer at customer?s expense.)
Limited Lifetime Warranty is for all retail Graphics Card and Mainboard products ending in the part numbers A1, AR, AX, BR*, BX*, DR, DX, FR, FX, SG, SL, or S2.
* [Replacement products are shipped out as ?BR or ?BX and will carry the same limited lifetime warranty that your original purchase had based on your registration.]
All retail Graphics Card and Mainboard products ending in the part number K1 receive a limited 3 year warranty when registered within 30 days from ORIGINAL DATE OF PURCHASE.
There is no physical damage to the PCB, GPU/chipset, or components that are caused by: Damage due to improper installation, damage during modification of any kind, damage during any type of Aftermarket cooling installation, and water damage of any kind.
All replacement products shipped out for replacement are recertified by EVGA to uphold the quality and guarantee of our products.
All RMA products will require the customer to pay for shipping to EVGA. EVGA will cover all return shipping back for the RMA replacement with (Ground) Shipping through UPS.*
 
Yeah? But what's it really worth after 3 to 5 years? $20? Is it even worth sending it back to get another inferior product?
 
the terms? it is a LIFETIME WARRANTY! Except it isn't. But anyone... even by eVGA...

The eVGA life timewarranty is lifetime for CERTAIN PRODUCTS ONLY that you register withing 30 days of purchase... not registering it reduces it to 1 year. And some products regestering it still only make the lifetime warranty last 3 years... So a 3 year lifetime warranty even if you just through all their hoops for half their products? not exactly contradicting my statement here.


The point is that I and others have decided to make purchases based on the lifetime warranty before.. not because I thought it will be worth it to send in for warranty 4 years down the road.
But because that sort of claim leads one to believe that they have excellent reliablity and thus will not break on you...

Also, if they cannot furnish a replacement for you 3 years down the road (which they normally CANT) then they have to provide a better product, or your original purchase money back... So there IS reason to send in an old part for warranty!
 
I see what your saying... but to say "they dont really have a lifetime warranty" isn't correct. You can complain that in order to get lifetime coverage you have to register within 30 days which seems retarded (I agree... that seems heavy handed but really how hard is it to register?).

As far as only *some* products being covered... yes, they had to specify a certain class of products to be covered... but if you really look at that list it covers nearly 100% of their existing retail line... in fact i cant see what's not covered for retail products they currently sell...
 
Yeah, that still sounds like a lifetime warranty to me. To me, if the warranty lasts a lifetime then its a lifetime warranty...even if there's some hoops. Its not like other warranties don't make you jump through a few hoops. Cripes, Sapphire makes you pay them to accept a fucking RMA.

But didn't PNY have some bullshit lifetime warranty that was some how actually 1 year? Maybe it was a different company.
 
Originally posted by: thejez
I see what your saying... but to say "they dont really have a lifetime warranty" isn't correct. You can complain that in order to get lifetime coverage you have to register within 30 days which seems retarded (I agree... that seems heavy handed but really how hard is it to register?).

As far as only *some* products being covered... yes, they had to specify a certain class of products to be covered... but if you really look at that list it covers nearly 100% of their existing retail line... in fact i cant see what's not covered for retail products they currently sell...

its not that some of its products are not covered.. its that some of the products with a lifetime warranty have a 3 year warranty only even if you do register and everything else...
One SOME of their lifetime warranty items are warrantied for a lifetime.

And thats eVGA, the best as far as warranty goes.. everyone else that says lifetime warranty is simply misleading you.

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Yeah, that still sounds like a lifetime warranty to me. To me, if the warranty lasts a lifetime then its a lifetime warranty...even if there's some hoops. Its not like other warranties don't make you jump through a few hoops. Cripes, Sapphire makes you pay them to accept a fucking RMA.

But didn't PNY have some bullshit lifetime warranty that was some how actually 1 year? Maybe it was a different company.

Everyone with the exception of BFG and eVGA that says a lifetime warranty is refering to "time it takes to become obsolete according to us" which is sometimes less then a year... often a year... maximum 3 years.

eVGA has some products that say lifetime warranty that lasts 3 years, and some that last for a lifetime... they ALL last only 1 year if you didn't register the product. So depending on the individual product they might be misleading you.



The point of it all wasn't to bash eVGA, it was to notify people to be very careful of trusting a "lifetime warranty". don't buy an item simply because it is "warrantied for life" because that might be legalese crap where in fact you have a one year warranty only...

Best warranty I know of is western digital... their harddrives come with either 3,4, or 5 year warranty... and if the item is within that many years of being manufactured then it is automatically accepted WITHOUT proof of purchase... you simply put in serial number, click for rma, send it in, and get a new one...
I have sent in WD drives I bought used for warranty replacement before.
 
yeah i think thats a fair warning to people... plz read the terms before assuming you have a lifetime of coverage because it's not auto...
 
Originally posted by: thejez
For you to make a blanket statement like that is a bit ignorant. All one has to do it read the warranty to see what the terms are... for example EVGA does in fact offer a lifetime warranty... as long as you are alive and you are the original owner... its covered... so stop spreading these false ideas.
Actually, you have fudged EVGA's actual warranty language. EVGA never uses language to the effect of "as long as you are alive", that is from XFX's lifetime warranty. Further, it does not state "as long as", but "so long as" the original purchaser owns the product. Big difference.

This boils down to who's "lifetime" is in question. If it is the product's lifetime, that is a typical 'market lifetime' warranty. If it is the owner's lifetime, that is what it says - as long as the owner is alive. EVGA clearly warrants the product's lifetime, not the owner or purchaser's lifetime:

"This limited lifetime warranty is valid for the life of the retail product, so long as the original purchaser owns the product..."
Taken together, it means for the market lifetime of the product, and this warranty is offered only to the original purchaser. Compare this with PNY's much-maligned lifetime warranty statement:

PNY Technologies, Inc. warrants the product, to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for the life of the product as sold to the original purchaser
This precisely parallels EVGA's language, almost verbatim. At least PNY goes on to clarify what it means so there is no confusion or misunderstanding, unlike EVGA:

"Lifetime is defined as the lifetime of the product on the market. Outdated technology is not covered by lifetime warranty if the item is no longer available on the common market as a new product. Lifetime replacement warranty does not cover items out of production if the company no longer stocks them."
There are companies that warranty a product for the life of the owner (not the "life of the product"), but EVGA isn't among them. Here is the lifetime warranty that BFG offers on qualifying products:

BFG Technologies is proud to warrant the original purchaser of the graphics card included in this package ("Product") that the Product will be free from defects in material or workmanship for as long as the original purchaser owns the product
Clear as a bell. XFX goes a step further and covers qualifying products "for as long as you live", and also allows the warranty to be transferred to a second owner. Notice that both BFG and XFX use "as long as", not "so long as".

EVGA is aware of this and refuses to change its warranty statement, which is 100% consistent with all 'product market life' warranties. In response to numerous criticisms that XFX and BFG have stronger warranty language clarifying who's "lifetime" is being discussed, EVGA sends low-level employees into forums to make promises that EVGA refuses to adopt in official company warranty statements. These low-level employees have absolutely no authorization or legal standing to make statements or promises that legally bind the company, as BFG and XFX have done by putting it in writing.

Most of the fine print for "lifetime" warranties for computer parts make it sound as if it is for however long they sell it or until it is outdated.
That's the way ALL lifetime product warranties are, unless explicitly stated otherwise (e.g. the owner's lifetime). The warranty is on a product, not a human. It should follow that the meaning is "life of the product", not life of the human. I'm not sure how this ever became the subject of misunderstanding. "Life of the product" warranties have been around for 50 years.

This works out well for durable consumer goods like auto parts, since auto parts have a market life of 20+ years. Not so good for commodity computer components that have a MAX market life of two...maybe three years at most.
 
I had no idea BFG had such a strong warranty... So XFX and BFG are the way to go it seems (if you care for warranty...)
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
I had no idea BFG had such a strong warranty... So XFX and BFG are the way to go it seems (if you care for warranty...)
In response to forum discussions like this where gobs of users ended-up contacting BFG and XFX requesting written clarification about the meaning of 'lifetime', BFG and XFX changed their warranty language to leave no doubt or interpretation.

EVGA refuses to change its warranty language in response to the same concerns and requests. Instead, it sends low-level employees into forums to say "trust us, we promise", when these employees have no standing to make statements that legally bind the company, as BFG and XFX have done by putting it in a written warranty statement.
 
Yet another reason to ignore the blind eVGA fanboi recommendations 😀

I've known about lifetime of the product vs. lifetime forever warranties forever now, but hadn't even noticed that eVGA is the former.

Good to know.
 
the funny thing is that I was mainly focused on companys like PNY... where "lifetime" means 1 year... or sometimes less!
 
Such companies are prone to going belly up anyway so certainly one hopes that your lifetime is going to be longer than theirs. Still being alive when left with a broken hunk of junk at that point is some consolation 😉
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
Best warranty I know of is western digital... their harddrives come with either 3,4, or 5 year warranty... and if the item is within that many years of being manufactured then it is automatically accepted WITHOUT proof of purchase... you simply put in serial number, click for rma, send it in, and get a new one...

Some other HDD manufacturers are like that as well. BTW, couple of things to know about WD... some of their retail boxed HDDs have only a 1 year warranty. Also, they go by manufacturing date. Beware of "old" WD drives on the market. Example: Newegg is flogging WD 400GB SATA150 for really cheap... but they were manufactured over a year ago.

Originally posted by: taltamir
the funny thing is that I was mainly focused on companys like PNY... where "lifetime" means 1 year... or sometimes less!

PNY... bah! Biggest rebate ($40) that I never got. Rebate company claimed I was missing something (not true) so it was denied, but that I could fax in all the rebate materials. First time they "didn't get the fax." Second time "the fax machine is not working now." WTF?!?! Then I was told that they could no longer deal with it and I would have to mail it to another address.
 
It appears that VisionTek is one of the "good" lifetime warranty companies...

Products Covered:
ATI Based Retail Packaged ?VisionTek? or ?VisionTek Xtasy? Brand 3D Graphics Accelerators except those covered under other VisionTek Warranty Policies

VisionTek Products LLC, (?VisionTek?) is pleased to warrant to the original purchaser (?Warrantee?) of the graphics card (?Product?), that the product will be free from manufacturing defects in material or workmanship for the lifetime of ownership of the product when given normal and proper usage.

And should you need to get your card replaced under warranty, your replacment card is still covered by the original "lifetime of ownership of the product" warranty.

VisionTek warrants the repaired or replaced Products will be free from manufacturing defects in material or workmanship for the remainder of the warranty period.


VisionTek Warranty Page

 
Originally posted by: Zap

Some other HDD manufacturers are like that as well. BTW, couple of things to know about WD... some of their retail boxed HDDs have only a 1 year warranty. Also, they go by manufacturing date. Beware of "old" WD drives on the market. Example: Newegg is flogging WD 400GB SATA150 for really cheap... but they were manufactured over a year ago.

Basing the warranty upon the manufacturing date is in lieu of a receipt. Ergo, the latter overrides the former. More importantly, choosing retail drives rarely makes sense versus OEM because of said shorter warranties and yet they are often no cheaper. In the case of WDC 'tis usually well advised to opt for an enterpise class model for the longest warranty for little to no extra cost versus the equivalent desktop model.
 
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