Lifemapper closing it's doors.....

Unforgiven

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Dear Lifemapper Community and Collaborators:

The Lifemapper Project Team has decided to make several significant changes to the Project as part of a new two-year design and re-implementation effort.

Probably the most significant change for most of you is that we are going to eliminate the distributed computation component and disable communications with the Lifemapper clients within a few weeks time--around the first of the new year.

The DC architecture has been very productive and until now critical for computing LM's GARP prediction models. We gratefully thank each and everyone of you for your enthusiasm as collaborators operating LM's distributed computing clients. We know how much your processing has contributed; the environmental biology community is in your debt for the cycles you volunteered and the models you computed.

At the moment the number of jobs being executed is outpacing the availability of new museum data. Unlike SETI, with an unlimited supply of radio astronomy signals, LM is dependent on source data from museum computerization projects. Currently that is our primary constraint for generating models for additional species. Not enough museums are coming online fast enough for us to take advantage of all of the power you and your collaborators are providing.

We intend to re-architect the LM species data archive, but we'll keep the models you computed online until we restart the computation engines and gradually update the current models with those derived from museum data coming out next year and beyond. In the future, LM will use computational resources of a cluster we operate for modeling at the University of Kansas.

We plan to evolve LM into more research-oriented uses, migrating from a passive public archive model to a set of pluggable web services for environmental research applications, e.g. for cleaning and verifying spatial attributes of museum specimen locality information.

On behalf of the scientific, educational, and public users of the LM geospatial species data archive, thank you again for your dedication, perseverance, commitment and accomplishment. Because of you, LM is still the best and only general archive of species distribution niche models. We plan to build upon that success and experience.


Sincerely,


Jim Beach
Lifemapper, Project Director
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James H. Beach
Biodiversity Research Center
University of Kansas
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS 66045, USA
T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335
 

wischeez

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There goes the only DC project that ran good on ALL my boxes. Oh well, I guess I'll be looking around for something that likes the Amd machines AND the P4's. Thanks for the info Unforgiven. I still haven't seen it in my e-mails yet.
 

Malak

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Well this is not good news, but maybe we can get some more active PC's on the other projects for TeAm Anandtech?
 

BofRA

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Originally posted by: wischeez
There goes the only DC project that ran good on ALL my boxes. Oh well, I guess I'll be looking around for something that likes the Amd machines AND the P4's. Thanks for the info Unforgiven. I still haven't seen it in my e-mails yet.

I just got the email as well :(

wischeez: Seventeen or Bust just made things really nice for both AMD and Intel processors.
 

wischeez

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Originally posted by: BofBnT
Originally posted by: wischeez
There goes the only DC project that ran good on ALL my boxes. Oh well, I guess I'll be looking around for something that likes the Amd machines AND the P4's. Thanks for the info Unforgiven. I still haven't seen it in my e-mails yet.

I just got the email as well :(

wischeez: Seventeen or Bust just made things really nice for both AMD and Intel processors.


Thanks for the info Bryan, I'll check it out :thumbsup:
 

Brucifer

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Nice short notice... like DF this summer/spring past, but it really wasn't unexpected. Sorta really ticks me off though after all the team effort that went in to getting to #2.
 

Unforgiven

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its kind of a bitter end to a project that i thoroughly enjoyed participating in :( i had grown to like this project so much that i had cut back production in other areas to contribute more. it was fun while it lasted and ill miss the stability of the client. im shifting my focus back to seventeen or bust but i will run LM til the very last day! lets try to do as much as we can before the end TeAm!
 

kamper

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Just out of curiosity, would it be within the realm of possibility to boost you guys to first with a concerted team effort?
 

BlackMountainCow

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Kamper, that would be so freakin' awsome!

We've done that so many times for SETI and other projects, why not also for LM??!!
 

kamper

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I think it would be cool but I'd like to know how feasible it is. It looks like we're a fair distance back. How much power would it take to gain the lead in 2 weeks?
 

Silverthorne

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Originally posted by: Brucifer

Nice short notice... like DF this summer/spring past, but it really wasn't unexpected. Sorta really ticks me off though after all the team effort that went in to getting to #2.

Now if I can only make it to #2, I have about 20 days left to hit it.
 

Brucifer

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Originally posted by: kamper
I think it would be cool but I'd like to know how feasible it is. It looks like we're a fair distance back. How much power would it take to gain the lead in 2 weeks?


I would sort of really doubt it.

There are 526,391 separating us, with a daily gain of 1850 give or take a few. So it would take a heck of a load of people to do it. Then of course is the issue of whether or not TPR would let it happen, cause they have the horsepower to improve their production enough to prevent us from making it.

Secondly, you would have to assume that we would be having at least the same amount of difficulty in getting workunits and uploading them that we have had the past three weeks... assuming too that they would even have enough units available for 2 teams ramping up production when LM is already saying that the inflow of crunched units is surpassing their backends ability to process the stuff.

Third, I sort of also doubt that you could get the number of ex-crunchers to return to help that would be required to do it. Now if someone has a super computer in their farm, and can get enough work units to front-load that, then maybe there would be a shot. :)
 

RaySun2Be

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It's too bad that they don't have any plans on utilizing the DC network they've built up in the future.

 

amdxborg

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Well there you have it, we killed a DC projects! Man we kick ass! :D

But it's a sad day when something like this happends, LM is one of my prefered projects and it's gonna be hard to let it go!!! :(

Getting to number 1 is a dream we would all like to see come true! Time is not on our side...but then again we are TeAm AnandTech! We have always been victorious in our battles and we could be again. I'm very greatefull we reached the nr. 2 spot as that is a most AwEsOmE accomplishment! ;)

On this sad day I would like to thank all the TeAmMates that participated in the LM project, we had some rough times, but we also had a lot of fun! Then a HUGE thanx to soni for creating the LM stats collector program I use every day to collect and post the stats here on the forum! Boy doin it all by hand sucked...took me more then a hour...now it takes a minute! :D And thanx to SlangNRox who got me to join LM with his recruiting thread!!!

Great crunching with all of you great people! ;) and lol Well we sure came a long way!!!

 

Confused

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Glad I looked in here (as you've probably noticed I don't at the moment, DC has kind of slipped out of my mind at the moment, hopefully all the PCs I've set up are still working), but I've got a few boxes here at work running LM, i'll have to figure out which ones they are and reconfigure them for another project...

It's a shame, because it just seemed to work! ;)
 

Doc Brown

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Originally posted by: wischeez


wischeez: Seventeen or Bust just made things really nice for both AMD and Intel processors.



Tell me more about this seventeen or bust ... stuff ... is it a long drawn out thing or do you see fast results ... .

DOC
 

Doc Brown

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Originally posted by: Silverthorne
Originally posted by: Brucifer

Nice short notice... like DF this summer/spring past, but it really wasn't unexpected. Sorta really ticks me off though after all the team effort that went in to getting to #2.

Now if I can only make it to #2, I have about 20 days left to hit it.

YGPM ./...

DOC
 

SoulAssassin

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Originally posted by: Silverthorne
Originally posted by: Brucifer

Nice short notice... like DF this summer/spring past, but it really wasn't unexpected. Sorta really ticks me off though after all the team effort that went in to getting to #2.

Now if I can only make it to #2, I have about 20 days left to hit it.

YGPM
 

Silverthorne

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I just wanted to say thanks to those of you who have offered to help me reach 2nd place before LM is over. That would be Doc Brown, SoulAssassin and wizcheez. Your help is greatly appreciated and it just shows what a great team we have here. Thanks again. :thumbsup:
 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: FlameDeer
Try to run other DC project like SETI@home Classic... ;)
If you've already got an account in seti "classic" this isn't a bad suggestion. But if you've never run seti "classic" before it's little point to start now, since "classic" will very likely end 1st or 2nd. quarter of 2005. It's possible "classic" needs help to keep BBR behind so an idea to help out even ends "soon", but nothing in current stats & production indicates it's possible to get higher than the current 5th place.

Then Lifemapper ends, a better idea is to run one or multiple BOINC-projects, like SETI@home, CPDN, Einstein@home (should be released in a few weeks time), Predictor@home (if they at last is re-started), LHC@home (probably up again January 2005). Folding@home will probably also release a BOINC-version in 2005.

For non-BOINC-projects, of the projects tested would only recommend folding@home.