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Life outside of Earth?

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I have this pic, its awesome.............:thumbsup:

My supervisor sent me this pic recently and we were chattting about it, we work with photos/imagery everyday and he said "when I look at this pic it just screams to me that you cant not believe in god after seeing it, you know that just cant happen by itself. "

And I said "weird cause when I look at its telling me exactly the opposite. That there doesnt need to be a god to create something beautiful and meaningful, that it can happen all by itself, that theres so much we dont quite understand yet, blah blah blah blah."
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: JoeKing
It'd be a great waste of space if we were the only ones out there.

Why do you have the assumption that the purpose of the universe is to have life?

because without life, there wouldn't be anything around questioning the purpose of the universe 😛

:beer:
 
You talking to me?

Yes, I believe that there must be other life in the universe. We will probably never see it in our lifetime but it surely must exist.
 
Originally posted by: IHYLN
all conspiracy stories aside, if there are indeed beings from other planets that crashed here and our government knew about it, do you honestly think it would remain a "secret" for so long?

Hehehe, our government could barely contain the GW Bush trip to Iraq for a few days. No freaking way they could keep an alien landing secret for what 50 years? Not bloody likely!!!
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Well if you consider the fact that life has existed on the planet earth for almost 4 billion years, and intelligent life has only existed for what?.. 10,000 years?... and we've only gotten into space in the last 50 or so years.

The parameters for a hi-tech intelligent life containing planets outside of earth gets narrower and narrower the more you look at it.

They are:

Earth like planet, in the appropriate orbit, with a stable sun.

Very likely billions like this

Life coctail chemical reaction

Within those billions there could easily be millions like this. Heck, Venus and Mars either are or were close

Evolution in the direction of intelligent life

Evolution has no direction. Reaction to stimuli is very probable in life, infact it is perhaps a definition of life. Intelligence is just a very complex reaction to stimuli, one which has an obvious survival benefit.

Societal evolution in the direction of high technology

Tools are the main survival benefit of intelligence, so with one the other is likely, to be able to "justify" the resources needed to have intelligence evolutionarily. A species that has the capacity of originality to invent tools, matched with the capacity for communication and the preservation of knowledge through generations, (arguably present in most "higher" mammals) will lead almost inevitably to the elaboration of those tools.

Cultural curiosity for space

IMO, to have the capacity for originality to be able to invent tools, general curiosity as an in-born trait is requisite

Appropriate fuels present on the planet.

Life is basically a powerplant, with the ability to convert energy and store it. The chemical complexity needed to evolve higher life would leave on the planet the resources needed to have fire, and eventually steam power. Magnetic materials would need to be present in order to protect the budding life from solar radiation, which could easily lead to the discovery of electricity. Also, the sheer time it would take in order to evolve intelligence would leave generations of dead organisms in the earth, with all the chemical complexity they had when they were operating powerplants. Much like what happened here. They could have fossil fuels. How likely they would be able to extract this easily would be a matter of geology, which I don't know enough about to guage any kind of probability. Even without, they have the basics for development of industry and electricity. And remember that they will have wind and water power.

Matching time period to us..... Universe is what? 11 Billion years old? All of the above would have to exist in parallel to our current existence.

It's quite likely that they would evolve at nearly the same time as us. Based on my limited knowledge of cosmology, the universe has had about two generations of stars born. In the first generation, most of the universe was made up of Helium and Hydrogen. Heavier materials were only dispersed through the universe after that first generation of stars died, spreading the heavier atoms that were born in their cores due to fusion throughout space. Thus, planets can only exist around second-generation stars like our sun

In short... it's just very unlikely. The universe is not infinite

I think that is very likely. However, I think that this is basically irrelevant to us. If the speed of light is truly a "hard cap" on the transfer of information, either by travel or telecommunications, then the very fact that these other civilizations are likely to be relatively coincident with our own will make discovering them almost impossible. Our signals to each other will pass each other in the night of space, only reaching each other when the civilizations are long gone.
 
Originally posted by: DannyLove
Technologies like those brought up in Dune or something (folding space)

(folding space) I believe that was in Event Horizon. 🙂 great movies to both.

danny~!

Well in Dune they created and navigated worm holes in space-time... utilizing the spice to see the fabric of space-time.

You're right, matching of time. What IF, we're behind. Our timeline is around 10k years, and our space exploration is barely 50 years, true. What IF there was some life out there with the same type of planet who started their evolution earlier than Earths. Perhaps 'they' began their space exploration 1,000 years ago.

I don't see this as a given at all... ever read "A Fire Upon the Deep", by Vernor Vinge? That book suggests the idea that no intelligent civilization can exist indefinitly. The primary motivator of technological innovation is conflict. Whether that be conflict in the form of warfare... species against species... or simply species against environment. It is this conflict that causes civillizations to rise and fall. So it's possible that there were or will be civillizations with advanced technology, it is highly unlikely that their existence and our existence are in parallel time periods.

Of course our understanding of what intelligent life is, or could be, is based on our own existing knowledge of our own lifeform. It is possible that a species could exist that develops technology absent of conflict, and can exist indefinitly. However within the limits of my human understanding I don't see that as an even remote liklihood.

-Max

P.S. and yes these conversations ae teh sh!t! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't think that we're alone, but alien species are probably so far away that they're not worth thinking about.

UNTIL THEY COME TO ATTACK US. RAWWWR. But seriously, I don't see why not.
 
The probability of there being other life in the universe is equal to the probability that I won't win the lottery tomorrow. There isn't a drawing tomorrow, and I don't have a ticket.
 
I don't put much thought into it because it's really pointless for us commoners to *think* about. I will just say I HOPE there is life outside of what we can see or get to. I HOPE one day something changes...
 
Originally posted by: rh71
I don't put much thought into it because it's really pointless for us commoners to *think* about. I will just say I HOPE there is life outside of what we can see or get to. I HOPE one day something changes...

This is probably the spookiest most disturbing post I've ever read.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: rh71
I don't put much thought into it because it's really pointless for us commoners to *think* about. I will just say I HOPE there is life outside of what we can see or get to. I HOPE one day something changes...

This is probably the spookiest most disturbing post I've ever read.
Hell I sometimes wish the weather would be more "exciting" too. Simple rain and snow in annual cycles is just boring. I missed hurricane Gloria in the mid-80s (or was it 90s?).

Point is ... I just crave for excitement outside the norm sometimes... hopefully it's not in the form of a hostile takeover. 😉

BTW, the 2nd image in the OP is mind-boggling. We are a mere tiny speck of existence. And to think we have billions of people around...
 
I doubt that there are any advanced lifeforms on other planets in our galaxy. I do think, however, that out universe will see several advanced civilizations, scattered around, isolated in different galaxies.
 
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