Life insurance advice

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I'm looking for some advice on life insurance, specifically the term of the policy. I'm married, 43, and have no children (and won't be having any). The main debate I'm having now is the length of the term -- should I go with 20 or 30 years? I'm thinking it might be wiser to go ahead and go with the 30-year term now.
 

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Lifer
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30. Insurance is supposed to replace lost income.

I'm not getting an amount large enough to replace my income between here and retirement since we don't have kids. I'm getting enough to pay off the house and pay any large bills. My wife works and then would be able to support herself. The house will be paid off in 10-13 years so after that, any payout will go towards my wife's retirement. :)
 

highland145

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I'm not getting an amount large enough to replace my income between here and retirement since we don't have kids. I'm getting enough to pay off the house and pay any large bills. My wife works and then would be able to support herself. The house will be paid off in 10-13 years so after that, any payout will go towards my wife's retirement. :)
You should get enough so you can be the focus of those true crime episodes.

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kidding.
 

OCGuy

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Wait, so you are going to bet someone that you are going to die, and they are going to take the bet that you aren't? :p

Like highland alluded to, Life Insurance sometimes has the unintended side effect of glass in your food, severed brake lines, falls off of cliffs in state parks, and accidental firearms discharges. ;)
 

JManInPhoenix

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At your age, I would get 30 year. When I was 49 I took out a twenty year policy which should take care of my wife, if anything were to happen to me, until she retired.
 

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No kids=no life insurance IMHO

I make 2/3rds of our income and with the house being the single biggest expense, I have to cover it in the event I die prematurely. Of course, since it will be paid off in 10-13 years, that begs the question of whether or not I should go with a shorter term just for the sake of our house. That's what I've been debating. I'll tell my wife to cremate me and not have a funeral to save money there (funerals are an insane waste of money IMO) but I guess I would still like to have a payout to cover any medical bills that may arise.

Wait, so you are going to bet someone that you are going to die, and they are going to take the bet that you aren't? :p

Like highland alluded to, Life Insurance sometimes has the unintended side effect of glass in your food, severed brake lines, falls off of cliffs in state parks, and accidental firearms discharges. ;)

To be honest, I think there is a very high chance that a 30-year policy would end up paying out. A 20-year policy would be a gamble. None of the men in my immediate family (grandfathers and dad) lived to see 70. Yes, I might see it because I have never been a smoker and presumably in 20 or 30 years, treatments will have greatly advanced, but I also thought that 30 years ago and I'm still seeing younger people (50s) dying from cancer in significant numbers.
 
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jaedaliu

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I make 2/3rds of our income and with the house being the single biggest expense, I have to cover it in the event I die prematurely. Of course, since it will be paid off in 10-13 years, that begs the question of whether or not I should go with a shorter term just for the sake of our house. That's what I've been debating. I'll tell my wife to cremate me and not have a funeral to save money there (funerals are an insane waste of money IMO) but I guess I would still like to have a payout to cover any medical bills that may arise.

What if you don't die in the next 20 years?

I've seen a lot of people say whole life is a horrible idea in ATOT, but to me, the fixed price, and the ability to borrow tax free from the payout and cash value (this is for the possibility of skilled nursing home care costing $5k+/month) make it a winner for my future.
 

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What if you don't die in the next 20 years?

Based on family history, there is a decent chance I won't be dead in 20 years. However, there is a very good chance I won't see 70, hence my interest in a 30-year term. It isn't much different than car insurance -- I've had car insurance for almost 30 years and never had a claim but auto insurance is more expensive than life insurance.

I've seen a lot of people say whole life is a horrible idea in ATOT, but to me, the fixed price, and the ability to borrow tax free from the payout and cash value (this is for the possibility of skilled nursing home care costing $5k+/month) make it a winner for my future.
I'm open to all suggestions. I thought whole life premiums were significantly higher than term, however, and many say to save the difference in premiums and invest it instead.
 
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SaurusX

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Based on family history, there is a decent chance I won't be dead in 20 years. However, there is a very good chance I won't see 70, hence my interest in a 30-year term. It isn't much different than car insurance -- I've had car insurance for almost 30 years and never had a claim but auto insurance is more expensive than life insurance.

By the time you're 73 you should be retired and living off your savings as well as the residual income from investments. There'd be no need for life insurance then as your future beneficiaries wouldn't be dependent on you making money anyway. As such, I'd go with the 20 year term-life, which will definitely have a smaller premium and would put the expiration date when you're 63... pretty close to retirement.

I'm open to all suggestions. I thought whole life premiums were significantly higher than term, however, and many say to save the difference in premiums and invest it instead.

Whole life is absolutely more expensive as the insurance company has to account for a payout happening as a sure thing.
 

gorb

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30 year. I started my policy last year, shortly before I turned 28. It's enough to cover a mortgage and assorted other bills, with a bit left over.
 

Dirigible

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In your shoes I'd probably go 20 or shorter.

What is the price difference?
 

NoCreativity

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By the time you're 73 you should be retired and living off your savings as well as the residual income from investments. There'd be no need for life insurance then as your future beneficiaries wouldn't be dependent on you making money anyway. As such, I'd go with the 20 year term-life, which will definitely have a smaller premium and would put the expiration date when you're 63... pretty close to retirement.

Pretty much this. Unless of course you want to pad your wife's retirement. Based on your other posts you probably already have a solid retirement and don't need to do that. Maybe cost out both premiums and go with the 20 year while putting the cost difference into some investment.
 

NoTine42

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What if you don't die in the next 20 years?

I've seen a lot of people say whole life is a horrible idea in ATOT, but to me, the fixed price, and the ability to borrow tax free from the payout and cash value (this is for the possibility of skilled nursing home care costing $5k+/month) make it a winner for my future.

I worked for an insurance marketing company, and if you asked one of the excutives about whole life, they'd tell you its the part of the insurance industry they were not proud of.
While they acquired another marketing company that had some whole life policies, they never marketed new whole life policies.
 

DaveSimmons

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I've seen a lot of people say whole life is a horrible idea in ATOT, but to me, the fixed price, and the ability to borrow tax free from the payout and cash value (this is for the possibility of skilled nursing home care costing $5k+/month) make it a winner for my future.

This is a bad idea for most people if you have any self-discipline.

Put the difference between term and whole life into stock index mutual funds at a brokerage instead. Better growth and since it's a regular brokerage account instead of a retirement account you can always sell a few shares in an emergency.

Go with a simple term life not some fancy "investment" life that just gives the seller a fat commission.

By the time you're 73 you should be retired and living off your savings as well as the residual income from investments. There'd be no need for life insurance then as your future beneficiaries wouldn't be dependent on you making money anyway

Good points, especially if you have the discipline to invest the difference.
 

OCGuy

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Just make sure the policy allows you to Old Yeller yourself after three years and still pay out.
 

kranky

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I'm not a fan of whole life because all it does is add cost to term insurance in return for putting some of your premiums into crappy investments. You can certainly get a level premium term policy.

I don't think there's any strong argument either way for 20 or 30 years. I support the concept of buying insurance for when you need it, and once you're retired and have sufficient assets, stop. Just went through this with my agent. The term policy I have is set to go WAY up next year after the level 20 year period expires. I said I'm just going to drop the policy, and he gave me that fake concerned look and said something like "You know, if you die, I'm going to be the second person your wife calls - and what will I tell her? You dropped the policy and there's no money?" I said my wife will be fine and not to worry, she won't be calling you.

And regardless of how you compute the amount you want to be insured for, please caution your wife to NOT pay off the house if you die. It makes no sense to take a large pile of money and sink it into your mortgage where it's now locked up and unavailable, even at the cost of some interest on the mortgage. Remember, by that time the amount of interest per payment won't be all that much.

If she needs the money, then she either has to move (cash out) or borrow it back on a HELOC and pay interest. Illogical. Keep the money, make mortgage payments like usual for at least a year. She might want to move, she might not, but most times the rush to pay off the mortgage is a poor decision.
 

TXHokie

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Kids was the only reason I got term life insurance, just enough to cover my lost income and and education expenses until the youngest reach 20. By then the kids should become self sufficient adults. If we didn't have any kids, I wouldn't get any. I figure between equity in our home (since she'll either move to a smaller home/apt or get remarried), my 401k/investment, and my life insurance at work should more than cover any expenses with a good chunk left over that she still wouldn't have to work for a while if she doesn't want to.
I've seen college friends passed away young due to cancer or car accidents. My old boss passed away at 50 from a weekend heart attack. It would be irresponsible for me to not take care of my family if I have the means to do so. That said, I should've gotten the policy before I turned 40, it sure jumped a bit after that.
 

WackyDan

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30. Insurance is supposed to replace lost income.

No it isn't. Insurance sales people like to play it that way.

The reality is, you should carry enough insurance to pay for your burial/disposal, pay off your family's debt and allow them some time to figure out how to support themselves. If you can afford some higher coverage, then by all means buy it but don't go broke carrying a million dollar term policy.

I've had life insurance sales people tell me I need over a million dollars of coverage so that my wife can maintain the "standard of living" we have. Bullshit. She'll have enough for a fresh start and enough to last a few years while she gets there. She has a degree, she is readily employable and can afford to keep the house and care for our daughter with what she can make.

On top of that I would caution against getting a 30 year term... It may lower your costs down the road for a similar policy, but you'll be paying more up front today. Most importantly, the idea is you'll need LESS coverage 20-30 years from now as your retirement assets should be factored into the equation at that point.

I carry a 250k term policy on both my wife and I. Will be renewing later this year for another ten years and upping mine to 500k and that is it. Between my 401k, and my employer's policy, my wife will be able to take at least five years until she has to worry about anything. In that time, she can get a job, build that career or meet a new man. I don't care... I'll be dead.
 

highland145

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No it isn't. Insurance sales people like to play it that way.

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It is because I say it's that way. And the rest of what you posted is pretty much what I'm doing. I'm not looking to make her a millionaire. I'm making sure she doesn't have to struggle and can get my kid through college which is "income replacement". When they expire in 10 or so years, I won't renew them. The kid will be 23 and we don't have any debt now. She's a licensed therapist, working, so she won't starve. There are plenty of messed up people out there.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Yeah, I'm just looking at a $200K or $300K policy and I am probably leaning towards the 20-year policy at this point.
 

Imp

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I got rid of mine. No wife or kids and the thought of someone profiting off my death didn't sit well with me. Yes, I am paranoid.

Maybe I'll change my stance if I get married/kids... lulz, probably not.
 

NoTine42

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Yeah, I'm just looking at a $200K or $300K policy and I am probably leaning towards the 20-year policy at this point.

In general, the best bang for the buck rates in like insurance come at $250k, 500k and $1m. Ie a 450k policy can cost more than a 500k policy. Because those 3 groups are 3 seperate rate charts combined together.