Lies That Republicans Tell Each Other: Trump, DeVos, Jeb Bush and the Colossally Ignorant Base

BonzaiDuck

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I am becoming very weary of discovering GOP lies that the responsible media has either failed to recognize or ignored for lack of time and resources.

For instance, not far along in the Trump administration, I observed a "presentation" he made, broadcast on all the established media, touting all the EPA regulations he was doing away with. Behind Trump, there was an 8'x4' wooden palette, stacked with reams of white paper piled 4' high. In fact, one could conclude that the paper was merely computer printer or xerox paper with the packaging removed. You could even see the discontinuity in the stacks at regular 2" intervals, indicating that the paper was simply fresh, opened packages of printer paper stacked one on top of the other.

Most federal agencies have regulations published in paperback by the Government Printing Office -- renewed annually -- most likely and at most about four volumes on average. So this display of Trump's was merely a ploy to influence public opinion and amplify the myths held by his base.

This morning I turned on the TV to tune in CSPAN. We expect CSPAN to live up to its reputation as a public service channel, and avoid being a sounding board for lies. This time, Jeb Bush was interviewing Betsy DeVos, former Education Secretary under Trump. I always knew the woman was totally unqualified for the job; I think I'd even concluded long ago that she was stupid. But what I saw and heard today takes the notion of stupid to a level I would never imagine.

DeVos had just published a new book -- "Hostages No More: The Fight for Education Freedom and the Future of the American Child". I have not read this book. Nor do I intend to, given the nonsense I heard today. I've discussed this sort of "vetting" before with regard to FOX News. If I occasionally visit FOX news to find -- every time -- an instance of deliberate deception and Falsehood, it reinvigorates my resolve to avoid using FOX as a serious source of information.

So what did Betsy say, as summary excerpts from or about her book?

First, she told a story about the main education building at 400 Maryland Ave. And -- as Betsy noted -- there are two other such buildings or parts thereof: FOB 10, just down the street from the FOB 6 at Maryland Ave., and some part of the offices at the old HEW North Building, just across the street from FB 6. I have been in and out of those buildings over a period of some 25 years. I have been in the sublevel or basements of those buildings.

So the story. She observed that there was a large room in the basement of the main building, where they kept boxes of textbooks. And she explained it was her top priority to get all those textbooks "out to the schools" where they could be put to use. So she asked around for the key to this locked room in the basement -- couldn't find someone with a key (whether DOE, GSA, or any number of custodial entities). Finally, she found one employee who had the key. So, according to her, they went to the room and unlocked it. Then, the man with the key told her they couldn't remove the boxes of books until they could get some "union employees" to do it.

LIE # 1: There is no big storeroom in the basement of FB 6 or any of the other two buildings. It's a parking garage, with the vehicles of mostly privileged political appointees jammed side to side. If there is any type of "storage room", it is merely a partition with cyclone fence with surplus furniture.

LIE # 2: The US Department of Education has NOTHING to do with "textbooks"; it doesn't "warehouse" textbooks, doesn't "review" textbooks. The management of public school textbooks is exclusively the purview of the states, counties and school districts, together with the authors and publishers of textbooks.

LIE # 3: No federal employee is required to join the federal employee unions (which, by the way, cannot even bargain for wages). Membership is purely voluntary. No federal employee or federal official is going to insist that "only union employees" can perform any or all tasks performed by the civil service.

It's a shame that there isn't some statute that makes telling lies like this a crime. And think of all the chuckleheads watching CSPAN who are actually going to believe every word of Betsy's Bull Shit.

Of course, who's going to believe me? I've seen it all firsthand, but -- of course -- even in retirement, I'm part of the "DEEP STATE". I can't be trusted!
 
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Moonbeam

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All Propaganda against a democratic state a crime in a democratic state All truth about a fascist state is a crime in a fascist state.

Bigots are blind and can't recognize their own condition.

A centipede was happy – quite! Until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg moves after which?" This raised her doubts to such a pitch, She fell exhausted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.

Perhaps it isn't the lie that is so treacherous as it is the need to believe. Why do people want to believe? What need do lies fulfill?
 
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MtnMan

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Let's assume you have the misfortune of ending up in the jury for a trial where is the defendant, or even called to testify as a witness. This could be a civil case or criminal case.

If Trump made any statement, under oath, would you believe he is being 100% truthful?









If so, I have some ocean front property in Kansas I would like to talk to you about.
 

trenchfoot

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Every opportunity for popularizing their agenda that politically entrenched conservatives run into are literally recruitment drives that employ deception as their primary weapon of choice.

The GOP is for all intent and purpose an organization that is waging class warfare against the working class people of the nation. This is the reason why the GOP must perpetually lie and deceive the masses in order to attain their goals.

That they've managed to convince 70+ millions of dupes to vote against their own best interests is testament to how effective their duplicitous recruitment drives are.
 

brycejones

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I am becoming very weary of discovering GOP lies that the responsible media has either failed to recognize or ignored for lack of time and resources.

For instance, not far along in the Trump administration, I observed a "presentation" he made, broadcast on all the established media, touting all the EPA regulations he was doing away with. Behind Trump, there was an 8'x4' wooden palette, stacked with reams of white paper piled 4' high. In fact, one could conclude that the paper was merely computer printer or xerox paper with the packaging removed. You could even see the discontinuity in the stacks at regular 2" intervals, indicating that the paper was simply fresh, opened packages of printer paper stacked one on top of the other.

Most federal agencies have regulations published in paperback by the Government Printing Office -- renewed annually -- most likely and at most about four volumes on average. So this display of Trump's was merely a ploy to influence public opinion and amplify the myths held by his base.

This morning I turned on the TV to tune in CSPAN. We expect CSPAN to live up to its reputation as a public service channel, and avoid being a sounding board for lies. This time, Jeb Bush was interviewing Betsy DeVos, former Education Secretary under Trump. I always knew the woman was totally unqualified for the job; I think I'd even concluded long ago that she was stupid. But what I saw and heard today takes the notion of stupid to a level I would never imagine.

DeVos had just published a new book -- "Hostages No More: The Fight for Education Freedom and the Future of the American Child". I have not read this book. Nor do I intend to, given the nonsense I heard today. I've discussed this sort of "vetting" before with regard to FOX News. If I occasionally visit FOX news to find -- every time -- an instance of deliberate deception and Falsehood, it reinvigorates my resolve to avoid using FOX as a serious source of information.

So what did Betsy say, as summary excerpts from or about her book?

First, she told a story about the main education building at 400 Maryland Ave. And -- as Betsy noted -- there are two other such buildings or parts thereof: FOB 10, just down the street from the FOB 6 at Maryland Ave., and some part of the offices at the old HEW North Building, just across the street from FB 6. I have been in and out of those buildings over a period of some 25 years. I have been in the sublevel or basements of those buildings.

So the story. She observed that there was a large room in the basement of the main building, where they kept boxes of textbooks. And she explained it was her top priority to get all those textbooks "out to the schools" where they could be put to use. So she asked around for the key to this locked room in the basement -- couldn't find someone with a key (whether DOE, GSA, or any number of custodial entities). Finally, she found one employee who had the key. So, according to her, they went to the room and unlocked it. Then, the man with the key told her they couldn't remove the boxes of books until they could get some "union employees" to do it.

LIE # 1: There is no big storeroom in the basement of FB 6 or any of the other two buildings. It's a parking garage, with the vehicles of mostly privileged political appointees jammed side to side. If there is any type of "storage room", it is merely a partition with cyclone fence with surplus furniture.

LIE # 2: The US Department of Education has NOTHING to do with "textbooks"; it doesn't "warehouse" textbooks, doesn't "review" textbooks. The management of public school textbooks is exclusively the purview of the states, counties and school districts, together with the authors and publishers of textbooks.

LIE # 3: No federal employee is required to join the federal employee unions (which, by the way, cannot even bargain for wages). Membership is purely voluntary. No federal employee or federal official is going to insist that "only union employees" can perform any or all tasks performed by the civil service.

It's a shame that there isn't some statute that makes telling lies like this a crime. And think of all the chuckleheads watching CSPAN who are actually going to believe every word of Betsy's Bull Shit.

Of course, who's going to believe me? I've seen it all firsthand, but -- of course -- even in retirement, I'm part of the "DEEP STATE". I can't be trusted!
How are you so sure there isn't a secret warehouse of books BELOW the parking garage, you know the place where the good ones are kept on white history and Jesus? Below that warehouse is where the tunnels are that liberals use to traffic children and drink the blood of infants. Plus a short cut to Cosmic Pizza so they can grab a slice.
 

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While inaccurate and uninformed news stories is sadly the norm rather than exception, only Fox and their misbegotten kindred “news” channels have turned this into deliberately malevolent disinformation brainwashing (there no longer is any news on Fox, only prosperity preachers and snake-oil experts)

My experience on all news channels, if they cover something related to a topic I know in depth, they get it mostly or entirely wrong as a rule rather than exception.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Some of you address the issue of making deception a crime, but I meant it rhetorically. Still, the cost of unraveling lies for the public good is significant.

On the matter of media, there are probably a dozen news agencies like AP or Reuters, several dozen big-city newspapers and many more small ones, quite a handful of independent local TV or radio stations, and what William Safire once called the "Six Sisters" -- concentrated TV, internet and broadcast sources. You will also find chains or conglomerates of "local" media run by an organization with political agendas. But with such an otherwise diverse and pluralistic media, any one of them within a certain type would be looking for a new breaking story, and all the others would attempt to cross-verify those stories.

So it is more likely that a wider array of media sources practicing Objective Journalism would confirm that this, that or the other thing were true, and those practicing deliberate deception or simply following the loose standards of advocacy journalism would be more the exception.

I suppose I was more dumfounded by DeVos' unabashed fantasies. We don't need people like this filling political appointments and cabinet positions. I don't care what party they come from, although there seems to be a single source for this incompetence these last several years.

All the respondents to this thread provide insightful thinking. But, then, we're "The Choir", aren't we?
 
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DaaQ

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Betsy Devos can lick my as at 7am in the morning, so I can save on toilet paper.

I lived in MI, when her damned husband ran for Governor, thank God he wasn't elected. Rather John Engler was but still.

This bitch garnished my Federal income taxes, for 1700 dollars, for a CTU turion fee, for orientation, in 2019, right before COVID hit. Thank God again she didn't get my wife for her Cosmetology loans.

But still for orientation loans, from a scam University.

Fuck her whole family to hell.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Betsy Devos can lick my as at 7am in the morning, so I can save on toilet paper.

I lived in MI, when her damned husband ran for Governor, thank God he wasn't elected. Rather John Engler was but still.

This bitch garnished my Federal income taxes, for 1700 dollars, for a CTU turion fee, for orientation, in 2019, right before COVID hit. Thank God again she didn't get my wife for her Cosmetology loans.

But still for orientation loans, from a scam University.

Fuck her whole family to hell.
These people like Trump and DeVos are the best argument for free public post-secondary education. We can expand the list; many names will come to mind. They were able to pay or have paid their private school tuitions.

Then, they prove themselves, as much as they are extraordinarily wealthy, to be dumber than a sack of rocks. They somehow believe that their intellectual capacity and understanding are obviously proportional to the number of digits in their bank balances.

So if this is what you get from the well-heeled college-educated, such an education should be free, since the outcome for this or that individual appears to be random despite privilege and advantage.

There is enough in documentary and news to suggest their purpose is to destroy public education and public schools.
 
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