Libya: U.N. Security Council to support action short of invasion

[Infohawk]

I'm not sure what all the anti-Canada hate is about.

It's because they're bitter that the UK colonized India and Canada is part of the Commonwealth with the Queen as the head of state. You can try to reason with him but that's really all it comes down to.

 

[CanOWorms]

like always, the only bigots in these threads are you and Rabidmongoose

Well, you're here and you have a history of using race-based attacks against me. You did another one just in this thread.

 

[CanOWorms]

I still remember the day when this fool completely freaked out and put a picture of his passport or something similar up on this forum. That was hilarious.

No, he freaked out after he used some racism against me. He gave out his name and some link to a online anti-racism petition that he said he signed as some sort of excuse, and to verify that the name was his he was going to scan his passport and upload it for everyone here to see.

We're still waiting.

 

[Dominato3r]

I'm not sure what all the anti-Canada hate is about. Have you looked at how many Canadians are dying in Afghanistan? Because they have the highest per soldier casualty rate in ISAF. I personally believe that's due to inadequate training and support of the Canadian Army, but they're still in the fight and they're still dying for a cause that is at best tangentially related to their national interest. To mock one of our greatest allies for being a great ally seems beyond ridiculous. Personally I feel bad that they're sending any fighters to Libya, because they almost certainly wouldn't have gotten involved in this mess if we hadn't led them into it (as usual.)

I doubt it's the training. It's more about the region and equipment available.

Working in Kandahar with no air assets of your own (we have no fighters or attack helicopters there, and until recently we had no personnel carrying helicopters there) and working with tanks that are from the 70's isn't exactly the best way of going about with things.

Regardless we are proud of the work our men and women are doing there, and the government has taken note of their sacrifice and have done a lot to upgrade their capabilities.

 

[Nebor]

In nebors mind we have arabs killing arabs. And that is good to him. So his reasons for being against this have everything to do with maximizing arab deaths and nothing to do with money.

Nebor has friends who have killed civies in Iraq. He has probably done this himself. He is psycho.

Civilians die in wars. It's one of the realities of war. How many civilians do you think we'll kill in Libya? Way more than necessary, since we don't need to be involved there at all.

I care about the cost of our involvement in a war that we have no national interest in.

 

[CanOWorms]

I'm not sure what all the anti-Canada hate is about. Have you looked at how many Canadians are dying in Afghanistan? Because they have the highest per soldier casualty rate in ISAF. I personally believe that's due to inadequate training and support of the Canadian Army, but they're still in the fight and they're still dying for a cause that is at best tangentially related to their national interest. To mock one of our greatest allies for being a great ally seems beyond ridiculous. Personally I feel bad that they're sending any fighters to Libya, because they almost certainly wouldn't have gotten involved in this mess if we hadn't led them into it (as usual.)

A lot of people criticize Canada, even Canadians themselves, because they have created a myth regarding their supposed peacekeeping activities, but where have they been lately? They barely contribute anything. How can this myth still be perpetuated by Canadians?

 

[RabidMongoose]

No, he freaked out after he used some racism against me. He gave out his name and some link to a online anti-racism petition that he said he signed as some sort of excuse, and to verify that the name was his he was going to scan his passport and upload it for everyone here to see.

We're still waiting.

Oh yeah. That was hilarious. One of the funnier moments on this forum.

 

[Nebor]

I doubt it's the training. It's more about the region and equipment available.

Working in Kandahar with no air assets of your own (we have no fighters there) and working with tanks that are from the 70's isn't exactly the best way of going about with things.

Regardless we are proud of the work our men are doing there, and the government has taken note of their sacrifice and have done a lot to upgrade their capabilities.

It's my personal assessment that it's the training. Having worked in close proximity with an RCR regiment, I found that their physical fitness standards were far below even the American standard (which pales in comparison to most of our European allies) and that they simply weren't receiving the training and support (equipment, air support, supplies) necessary to operate as effectively as American forces.

I was under the impression that there were CF-18s operating out of KAF last summer. Regardless, Canadians are provided with USAF JTACs to assist in providing air support when needed.

I'm not trying to downplay the sacrifice Canada is making in Afghanistan, but for as many Canadian caskets as are leaving the country compared to how many Canadian soldiers are there, I can't help but feel that something is failing them at higher echelons. This is a common assessment amongst other ISAF forces.

 

[speg]

I care about the cost of our involvement in a war that we have no national interest in.

Just because you don't get any treasure out of this doesn't mean it can't benefit you. If some criminal across town gets locked up you don't get his stuff - but the entire community is better off.

 

[Dominato3r]

It's my personal assessment that it's the training. Having worked in close proximity with an RCR regiment, I found that their physical fitness standards were far below even the American standard (which pales in comparison to most of our European allies) and that they simply weren't receiving the training and support (equipment, air support, supplies) necessary to operate as effectively as American forces.

I was under the impression that there were CF-18s operating out of KAF last summer. Regardless, Canadians are provided with USAF JTACs to assist in providing air support when needed.

I'm not trying to downplay the sacrifice Canada is making in Afghanistan, but for as many Canadian caskets as are leaving the country compared to how many Canadian soldiers are there, I can't help but feel that something is failing them at higher echelons. This is a common assessment amongst other ISAF forces.

I see, my assessment cant be as good as yours as you have worked with them, but I always thought our training was great but our equipment lacked. Another thing to note is that a lot of the deaths that have occurred are from IED's. I don't think we've had a single death from combat with the Taliban.

 

[Fern]

OBAMA: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

I don't think the congress authorized this.

Lies.

Yeah, this was all over the news and likely will be repeated. Obama sure has a way with having his words come back to bite him.

Congress seems to abdicating it's role here. Or, Obama is just too indecisive even for planning. Congress should have already authorized this action, just to allow Obama to this properly if he so decided. Of course, he likely didn't ask for that because he had no idea what he was going to do until the last minute. Could have been better prepared.

Welp, we just committed an act of war, we've bomber the heck out of Libyia's defense capabilities. (I didn't realize until today a no fly zone required that.) I think we're now in it until Qaddafy is removed. I don't see how we can allow him to remain after we've bombed the crap out him. I don't see how others, like the Arab League, will want him to remain after what they've done to him.

If we are in it until he's removed, that begs the question of how deeply we will be involved. Will the rebels be able to overcome the Libyian army and their mercanaries on their own? I doubt it. Who will be taking over the country after Qaddafy is removed? Are we now gonna stay there until a new government is set up?

I'm afraid there may be more simlarities to Iraq/Afganistan than many want to admit. Unless I missed it, Obama hasn't made clear what our objectives are. So far he's kept stating that we won't send ground troops. We'll see, as with all politicians it's hard to accept their word and Obama is certainly no different in this regard.

Because Qaddafy didn't seem a threat to us or other countries I was mostly opposed to this. Libyians vs. Libyians doesn't seem a good enough reason for us to attack. However, I will now support him in this. Our allies wanted our help, and the Arab League also requested it, so I can understand a reason to help out. But we better not be doing any more 'nation building'.

Fern

 

[Nebor]

Just because you don't get any treasure out of this doesn't mean it can't benefit you. If some criminal across town gets locked up you don't get his stuff - but the entire community is better off.

This is like a criminal across the world. Who only picks on people like him. Who cares?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Obama needs to institute the draft immediately!!!

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama and his criminal cabal of traitors need to be convicted of treason immediately! :thumbsdown::thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

I'm sure there's someone floating around who has posted similar thoughts before. I sure miss him.

 

[chucky2]

Buwhahahaa....it's been really really quiet in the war threads from the LL (Looney Left, not to be confused with a certain posters initials who is part of the Looney Left) since O'Bummer got elected. I really don't understand, since they all claimed they weren't hypocrites, how they're not derailing threads spewing virtrol and whining constantly about killing poor innocent brown people who never attacked us....just where are these non-hypocrites gone since O'Bummer took office???

Snicker....

 

[freegeeks]

Well, you're here and you have a history of using race-based attacks against me. You did another one just in this thread.

where did I do a race based attack in this thread? You must be confused, the only disgrace are you and Rabidsh*t with your derogatory talk of Canadian military and Europeans. The only hate spewing all the time is you and your buttbuddy

get your fact straight little boy, now go back in mommies basement

 

[Zebo]

This is like a criminal across the world. Who only picks on people like him. Who cares?

Bullshit. Lockerbie Berlin and so on he ordered not to mention sending out his SS to kill expatriates living in Europe and USA who dare talk bad about regime. Fucker needs to go too bad Reagan failed first time.

Maybe y'all are just pissed a black man is doing what needs doing? Might get some credit for which you feel entitled getting us involved in quick sand (iraq)?

 

[Red Dawn]

Buwhahahaa....it's been really really quiet in the war threads from the LL (Looney Left, not to be confused with a certain posters initials who is part of the Looney Left) since O'Bummer got elected. I really don't understand, since they all claimed they weren't hypocrites, how they're not derailing threads spewing virtrol and whining constantly about killing poor innocent brown people who never attacked us....just where are these non-hypocrites gone since O'Bummer took office???

Snicker....

There's nothing innocent about Tanks, Anti Aircraft Guns and Artillery aimed at civilians. Of course an imbecilic tub thumping Wingnut like yourself wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

[Red Dawn]

where did I do a race based attack in this thread? You must be confused, the only disgrace are you and Rabidsh*t with your derogatory talk of Canadian military and Europeans. The only hate spewing all the time is you and your buttbuddy

get your fact straight little boy, now go back in mommies basement

Lol, an avowed racist calling you a racist for pointing out his racism.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Just putting this here.

 

[Aegeon]

Incidentally if news reports are accurate, the United Arab Emirates will be contributing 24 fighters (all very modern) and Qatar will be contributing 4 to 6 fighters to the effort.

 

[CanOWorms]

where did I do a race based attack in this thread? You must be confused, the only disgrace are you and Rabidsh*t with your derogatory talk of Canadian military and Europeans. The only hate spewing all the time is you and your buttbuddy

get your fact straight little boy, now go back in mommies basement

You mocked my ethnicity in a post here. I criticize based upon politics and actions. You post hate based upon race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

 

[Red Dawn]

You mocked my ethnicity in a post here. I criticize based upon politics and actions. You post hate based upon race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Oh give me a break, you are so anti European that anything you post is a joke.

 

[chucky2]

There's nothing innocent about Tanks, Anti Aircraft Guns and Artillery aimed at civilians. Of course an imbecilic tub thumping Wingnut like yourself wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

And? Those are Libyan's on Libyan's, not Libya attacking any of these UN countries ganging up on peace loving and innocent Libya.

The UN now is going to go gang up on and murder innocent people in other countries who's regimes mistreat and murder their own populations?!?!

Guess WWIII is going to be a lot different than anyone expected....

Blood for Oil!!! Blood for Oil!!!! Save the Whales!!! Free Willy!!!

 

[CanOWorms]

Lol, an avowed racist calling you a racist for pointing out his racism.

Lol, an avowed racist defending a racist who got called out on his racism.

You have a long history of racism on these forums. One of the best examples is your celebration of what is commonly considered to be one of the most racist Hollywood roles in history. You even used minstrel-like speech against me, I saw it, I called you out on it, and then you DELETED it in shame.