Libertarians

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Most standard liberals and conservatives you see are hypocrites, who believe that no one should limit their freedoms but that they should be allowed to limit other people's.

That's not really how it works.

Thats my opinion of pretty much everyone in P&N.

P&N isn't a good place to learn about...anything.

 

[mwtgg]

P&N taught we that cops are assholes and should be executed.

Oooh, wait...

 

[Mo0o]

I was under the impression Libertarians mostly want little to no government control. As close to anarchy as possible without destroying the social order and compromising safety.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Most standard liberals and conservatives you see are hypocrites, who believe that no one should limit their freedoms but that they should be allowed to limit other people's.

That's not really how it works.

Thats my opinion of pretty much everyone in P&N.

P&N isn't a good place to learn about...anything.

Incorrect.

 

[Ornery]

I bet your Libertarian candidate more closely matches the GOP platform than the Democrat one. Why not make your choices on the issues in the AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SELECTOR and see if I'm not right. Some of their answers to the questions were vague, except for Bush, so it was hard for me to place them. But if you answer the questions yourself in the selector, you'll see which ideologies more closely match up in the end. Take a look below and just see who is usually the odd man out:

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  1. ABORTION ISSUES: Which views on the issue of abortion would you prefer your candidate advocate?
  • 
    "Pro-Choice" Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    "Pro-Life" Bush
  2. MINORITY ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate support or oppose such legislation as affirmative action?
  • 
    Oppose Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support Gore
  3. CAMPAIGN FINANCE: Would you prefer your candidate support or oppose campaign finance reform?
  • 
    Oppose Reform (Lift restrictions on contributions) Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support Reform (Abolish "softmoney" contributions, etc.)
  4. CRIME: Some candidates have outlined their approach to minimizing crime. Which approach do you prefer your candidate stress?
  • 
    Support "get tough" approach,e.g. longer prison sentences Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support preventive approach, e.g. educational & recreational programs Gore
  5. DEFENSE SPENDING: Would you prefer your candidate advocate an increase or decrease in the defense spending budget?
  • 
    Support increase Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support decrease
  6. DRUG POLICY: Some presidential candidates support an increase in drug crime prosecution and penalties while some favor a decriminalization or complete legalization of what are currently drug crimes. What stance would you like your candidate to adopt?
  • 
    Support increased prosecution and penalties Bush, Gore
    Neither
    Support decriminalization Harry Browne
  7. GAY RIGHTS: Some candidates believe that sexual orientation is an unchangeable characteristic and support across the board equality under civil law for gay and lesbian Americans. On the other end of the spectrum, some believe that gay relationships are a destructive assault on the heterosexual, marriage-based family. What policies would you like your candidate to favor?
  • 
    Support legislative equality for homosexuals. Gore
    Neither
    Oppose special legislationconcerning homosexuality. Bush, Harry Browne
  8. EDUCATION: Some presidential candidates support school choice. Others see it as a separation of church and state issue. What position would you like your candidate to support?
  • 
    Favor School Choice Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support tax dollars for public schools only Gore
  9. ENVIRONMENT: Which position regarding the environment would your ideal candidate advocate?
  • 
    Support the environment only after considering market and private property concerns. Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support environmental protection legislation Gore
  10. EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM: Some presidential candidates favor the teaching of Creationism in public schools along evolution which is currently taught in science classes. What's your opinion?
  • 
    Support the situation as it is now: evolution only Gore
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support legislation including the teaching of Creationism Bush
  11. FOREIGN POLICY: Would you prefer your candidate embrace an non-interventionist or interventionist approach to foreign policy?
  • 
    Support non-interventionist Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support interventionist Bush, Gore
  12. GUN CONTROL: Would you prefer your candidate oppose or support gun control legislation?
  • 
    Oppose Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support Gore
  13. HEALTH CARE: Would you prefer your candidate support increased federal involvement in health care? Or would you prefer health care be an area outside governmental control?
  • 
    Support health care as primarily the responsibility of the individual Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support health care as primarily the responsibility of the government Gore
  14. MORAL ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate favor federal, state and/or local legislation supporting "traditional values" such as advocating prayer in public schools, promoting teen-age sexual abstinence and restricting access to Internet pornography?
  • 
    Support legislation of "traditional values". Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Oppose legislation of "traditional values". Gore
  15. SOCIAL SECURITY: Would you prefer your candidate promise to preserve or reform (including dismantle) Social Security?
  • 
    Support reforming Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support preserving Gore
  16. TAX POLICY: Various candidates have promised to overhaul the federal income tax codes. They differ in how extreme the proposed changes would be.
  • 
    Support retaining current system Gore
    Neither
    Support reforming or abolishing Bush, Harry Browne
  17. TRADE ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate be an advocate of free trade or trade controls like tariffs and embargoes?
  • 
    Support free-trade Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support trade controls

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Libertarians are generally fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

They think abortion is okay, gay marriage is okay, and the death penalty should be done away with.

They do not believe in social or corporate welfare, large military budgets, or pork barrel spending.

They are very much pro gun and for protecting enviornment.

Other than that most are extremely greedy capitalists.

Oh come on, we are not mostly greedy capitalists!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
a libertarian is actually a liberal, but because the democrats (more accurately described as authoritarian leftists, because their ideology is generally leftist and they trust that government authority is a justifiable means to that end) have co-opted the term 'liberal' to refer to themselves and anyone more leftist than themselves, true liberals have had to come up with something else. liberal is the ideology of the bourgeoisie in revolutionary france and in the american revolution. it basically is someone for little government interference in either personal or business spheres. government should merely be a transparent framework/infrastructure for social interaction. for the liberal, taxes are slavery, and should only go to provide for necessary government functions, such as national defense, police, and a court system to resolve differences.

You, sir, are correct. American Libertarians should more properly be called Classical Liberals (and should not, under any circumstances, be confused with what they call Libertarians in Europe, aka Social Anarchists).

Classical Liberalism began in France during the reign of King Louis XIV. Louis was a sh!thead who liked to build expensive palaces for himself, have play wars, and tax and oppress the people to death. Unfortunately, statism has a way of suppressing economic growth, so the end result was that France's economy could not keep up with Louis' financial needs, a fact which Louis found to be an inconvenience (while the peasants starved in the streets). He hired a prominent banker to turn the economy around, and the banker began asking businessmen what should be done. The resounding answer was "Laissez-faire!" which in French means "Leave things alone," i.e. business does best when government gets out of the way and lets the people run it.
Louis choose not to take this advice, his country continued to deteriorate under his Authoritarianism, resulting eventually in revolution and the beheading of his grandson (Louis XVI).

Thomas Jefferson and many of the Founding Fathers were Classical Liberals, as was Adam Smith.

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Libertarians are generally fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
True

They think abortion is okay, gay marriage is okay, and the death penalty should be done away with.
True, true, and false.

They do not believe in social or corporate welfare, large military budgets, or pork barrel spending.
Of course, true.

They are very much pro gun and for protecting enviornment.
True and false. Life being the most important of all rights, a person unable to defend himself is by definition not free. As to the environment, Libertarians are not tree-huggers, but conservationists. Depleting resources is bad for business as well as the environment.

Other than that most are extremely greedy capitalists.
Absolutely false.

Greed is the desire to unearned wealth, and NO ONE is greedier than a socialist, despite their lies and blatantly false propaganda to the contrary.

 

[BoberFett]

I've always enjoyed your posts Vic. You're a good ambassador of libertarianism. I'm too much of a hot-headed jerk when it comes to politics to be so well spoken.

 

[Azndude51]

Wow, all I wanted to know was some basic info about Libertarians and their stance on certain issues. I didn't expect this huge political discussion

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Me....


Afraid yet?

So libertarians are assholes?

You are GD right...

Different opinion in some areas though:

capital punishment though...I think we should do away with lethal injections and replace it with quartering for sick fvcks, firing squads for not so sick fvcks, and PPV episodes like the Running Man in which the condemned are run down by chainsaw wielding madmen.

abortion is alright but shouldn't be used as birth control, if you have over 3 you should be spayed...deadbeat dads should be neutered as well.

I think the Public school system needs to fire the entire Board of Education and be privatized.

Support killing any terrorist wherever they hide....just like cockroaches, you let one get by and you have a major infestation.

I also think that the illegal federal income tax should be repealed as should welfare both corporate and personal should be abolished.