Libertarians - disputing the social contract

[mammador]

The social contract is a fact. Everybody consents to be part of a society, and abide by the basic norms of that society. In essence, this is how we are as a species, we are a social species by nature.

So why then dispute the social contract?

 

[Steeplerot]

Adam Smith was not anything like so called "Libertarians" make him out to be.

Smith saw the task of political economy as the pursuit of "two distinct objects": "first, to provide a plentiful revenue or subsistence for the people, or more properly to enable them to provide such a revenue or subsistence for themselves; and second, to supply the state or commonwealth with a revenue sufficient for the public services". He defended such public services as free education and poverty relief, while demanding greater freedom for the indigent who receives support than the rather punitive Poor Laws of his day permitted. Beyond his attention to the components and responsibilities of a well-functioning market system (such as the role of accountability and trust), he was deeply concerned about the inequality and poverty that might remain in an otherwise successful market economy. Even in dealing with regulations that restrain the markets, Smith additionally acknowledged the importance of interventions on behalf of the poor and the underdogs of society. At one stage, he gives a formula of disarming simplicity: "When the regulation, therefore, is in favour of the workmen, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes otherwise when in favour of the masters." Smith was both a proponent of a plural institutional structure and a champion of social values that transcend the profit motive, in principle as well as in actual reach.



And...

Because Ayn Rand was a radical who was utterly Anti-Soviet being literally a refugee, so she went to the other idiotic extreme.

Thus in the US "Libertarian" basically means Milton Freedman economic gangster types and Ayn Rand fanbois.

Libertarians are Left wing types who oppose Marxism historically and governments based off of exploitative power structures..

The word "Capitalism" was actually coined by Karl Marx -I am not kidding

Right wing Libertarians are baffling with their childish views of me me me.

Granted, first time life puts them out to dry there is no such thing as a right wing Libertarian.

 

[Anarchist420]

Because Ayn Rand was a radical who was utterly Anti-Soviet being literally a refugee.

Adam Smith was not anything like so called "Libertarians" make him out to be.

Thus in the US "Libertarian" basically means Milton Freedman economic gangster types and Ayn Rand fanbois.

Libertarians are Left wing types who oppose Marxism historically and governments based off of exploitative power structures..

Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman weren't libertarians, especially economically. No monetarist (Friedman) or IP proponent (Rand) can be a libertarian.

Ayn Rand's virtue of selfishness can also be incompatible with libertarianism (she thinks total war is necessary some times) and a lot of her followers are neocons.

The Social Contract is Classically Liberal, not libertarian.

 

[Steeplerot]

Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman weren't libertarians, especially economically. No monetarist (Friedman) or IP proponent (Rand) can be a libertarian.

Ayn Rand's virtue of selfishness can also be incompatible with libertarianism (she thinks total war is necessary some times) and a lot of her followers are neocons.

The Social Contract is Classically Liberal, not libertarian.

You are an admitted fascist, and nihilist, you have no clue what you speak of.

 

[Anarchist420]

The social contract is a fact. Everybody consents to be part of a society, and abide by the basic norms of that society. In essence, this is how we are as a species, we are a social species by nature.

So why then dispute the social contract?

I consent to be part of society (i.e., to live), I don't consent to be governed, especially by centralized government.

Social Contracts are based upon popular sovereignty and do not require unanimous consent of the governed and they don't even require unanimous consent of the member states (the Constitution didn't, as after the first 12 states ratified, the 13th one was threatened into doing so).

Libertarianism is at odds with centralized government as well as the pro-conscription Classically liberal Enlightment. Conscription is a classically liberal idea, but it is not libertarian.

 

[Anarchist420]

You are an admitted fascist, and nihilist, you have no clue what you speak of.

Um, when did I say was a fascist?

 

[Steeplerot]

Um, when did I say was a fascist?

In about every ww2 themed thread where you lay your viewpoint out that Germans would have restored "true" capitalism.

Fascism is the aristocratic elements in collusion with government in a deformed (or degraded) Democratic society. Mussolini himself said this.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The OP is clueless as to what a social contract is. The OP reminds me of this vender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CjrZNi49bE&feature=related