Libertarian ideas ever made you go..wtf?

[Steeplerot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mXmZSSKSbw&

Corporate dystopia anyone? But seriously. Some rebuttals, including stuff like why their philosophy does not match scientific evidence of how humans have always pooled resources and created communality in the real world since time immemorial?

 

[amyklai]

They ALWAYS make me go WTF OMG LOL. And in a very selfish way, I must add.

 

[Zebo]

Just trading public oppression for private. Least we have a say in public. As flawed as it is I think I'll keep "consent of the governed" thank you very much.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I would consider myself to be fairly libertarian. So no. I don't go WTF.

 

[Skitzer]

I agree with many of their ideas and values.

 

[wuliheron]

Why all the hostility towards libertarians?

They can't help it if there's never been a single libertarian government in recorded history. Their philosophy is so simple and so obvious it must be that most people are simply fucked up or somebody somewhere would have made it work by now. Don't you like people who think the whole world is fucked up?

 

[bamacre]

As a libertarian, gov't often makes me go "wtf."

I don't see how an entitlement program that is projected to bankrupt our entire country can be described as "highly successful." So your youtube video made me go "wtf?"

 

[Mursilis]

As a libertarian, gov't often makes me go "wtf."

I don't see how an entitlement program that is projected to bankrupt our entire country can be described as "highly successful."

Exactly. Most mature democracies (or democratic republics) seem well on their way to bankrupting themselves. WTF to that.

 

[CycloWizard]

Why all the hostility towards libertarians?

They can't help it if there's never been a single libertarian government in recorded history. Their philosophy is so simple and so obvious it must be that most people are simply fucked up or somebody somewhere would have made it work by now. Don't you like people who think the whole world is fucked up?

Governments always tend to grant themselves more and more power over time, so any libertarian state would be short lived unless a very well-crafted constitution was in place and actually followed.

 

[ProfJohn]

Their ideas about personal responsibility make me go WTF, but otherwise no.


I am talking about legalized drugs and their belief in letting people do whatever they want since they completely ignore the social impact that has on society.

 

[Mursilis]

Governments always tend to grant themselves more and more power over time, so any libertarian state would be short lived unless a very well-crafted constitution was in place and actually followed.

That, and many people are, quite honestly, unfit to live in a libertarian state. They're far too lazy and dependent, and simply can't adjust to a world where they're forced to do so much on their own.

 

[Jaskalas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mXmZSSKSbw&

Corporate dystopia anyone? But seriously. Some rebuttals, including stuff like why their philosophy does not match scientific evidence of how humans have always pooled resources and created communality in the real world since time immemorial?

The world has not yet seen the consequences of your actions, but you did not just pool resources. You pooled them and then lit them on fire. You burned through them and left your collective, as a whole, with nothing.

At this point it'd be practically impossible to avoid the consequences. You just have to wait and see the government budgets and the economies work themselves into a spiral. How about you cut spending? Oh yeah... YOU can't. You refuse.

Bernard Madoff would be proud. It worked out well for him didn't it? That's how you've handled this 'pool' of resources, with a Madoff ponzi scheme. Go ahead, pat yourselves on the back for that great success story. After all it still has some legs left on it where you stack up the debt and do not have to pay for it.

It's not just you that will pay for it. An economic collapse will have ALL of us paying. People will die because of this scheme you champion. Stand tall and proud and watch as abject poverty is the creation of your government.

 

[wuliheron]

Governments always tend to grant themselves more and more power over time, so any libertarian state would be short lived unless a very well-crafted constitution was in place and actually followed.

Exactly, but according to Libertarians governments tend to grant themselves more and more power and you would need a carefully crafted constitution only because people are FUCKED UP! No fuck ups, no problem. Hence, the vast majority of the world is made of fuck ups who are just too stupid and ignorant to take charge of their own lives. That's an attractive philosophy, don't you think?

 

[Texashiker]

Libertarian ideas ever made you go..wtf?

No, but Republican and Democrat policies have.

When you have to do your income taxes every year, you can thank the Republicans and Democrats.

 

[her209]

Are Libertarians for abolishing bankruptcy laws and limited liability? Its government intervention and removes personal responsibility for one's actions.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I am split in regards to their views. On one hand, I like the idea of letting crappy, mismanaged and over-unionized companies like Chrysler die. But, I think that The Federal Reserve is, in general, a necessary evil and that we should avoid the gold standard as long as we have the world's reserve currency.

 

[Thump553]

I think of most liberatarian ideas much the same as I think of communism. Both have concepts that sound great initially and very well may work in small groups (Israeli kibbutz, Jesus and his disciples for communism) but are hopelessly flawed and doomed to failure when applied to the real world.

Both have some ideas that can improve a more realistic world view.

 

[bamacre]

But, I think that The Federal Reserve is, in general, a necessary evil and that we should avoid the gold standard as long as we have the world's reserve currency.

We're in the process of losing that status.

 

[TheDoc9]

I think of most liberatarian ideas much the same as I think of communism. Both have concepts that sound great initially and very well may work in small groups (Israeli kibbutz, Jesus and his disciples for communism) but are hopelessly flawed and doomed to failure when applied to the real world.

Both have some ideas that can improve a more realistic world view.

Libertarians are the opposite of communists, yet somehow you manage to liken them together. Hell you even throw in a reference to Jesus for good measure.

Libertarians are about having a free'r society, and people taking personal responsibility for their actions. This is a concept some people it seems, can't possibly allow into their minds. Ironically the easy way out leads to the least satisfaction in peoples lives but they just don't know it and can't accept it.

As far as the government organizations, while some basic policing is necessary most of these have become corrupt monsters. Every single organization in that video has become a hindrance more than a help to our society.

 

[Acanthus]

That, and many people are, quite honestly, unfit to live in a libertarian state. They're far too lazy and dependent, and simply can't adjust to a world where they're forced to do so much on their own.

Yeah, some people do have limited success in Somalia, the bastion of "leave the government out of this" ideology.

 

[Mursilis]

I think of most liberatarian ideas much the same as I think of communism. Both have concepts that sound great initially and very well may work in small groups (Israeli kibbutz, Jesus and his disciples for communism) but are hopelessly flawed and doomed to failure when applied to the real world.

Both have some ideas that can improve a more realistic world view.

In their most pure, extreme forms, most philosophies of gov't are impractical, libertarianism included. Does anyone really want to live in a pure democracy? Of course not. That being said, I think the U.S. could use a more libertarian approach to certain issues. How's that War on Drugs working out for everyone?

 

[Mursilis]

Yeah, some people do have limited success in Somalia, the bastion of "leave the government out of this" ideology.

You do understand, I hope, that there's a difference between limited gov't and NO gov't, right?

 

[Jaskalas]

How's that War on Drugs working out for everyone?

Think of it as more Stimulus. It keeps government employees employed. The 'War on Drugs' is a government industry.

 

[rudeguy]

I had a customer on the phone who was a Libertarian once. I don't even know how we got to politics since its something I avoid like the plague, but she ranted for a good 20 minutes about off the wall ideas and conspiracy theories. She was convinced of a group of people who ran the world (not just the country) from behind the scenes. Of course that group was made up of very well respected people who just happen to have money. But in her mind they were hell bent on taking over the world at the expense of every other person in the world.

I assumed that was just her view or is that how all Libertarians think?

 

[rudeguy]

Think of it as more Stimulus. It keeps government employees employed.

job security FTW!

Are we done having wars on anatomic objects for a while?