Liberal Tolerance is a Total Fallacy

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Steeplerot

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Even where Marxists states are experiencing prosperity, they do so only by embracing capitalism.


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A simple question: Is Capitalism the end game? Can humanity do better?

Can you answer without "too broke to fix" or "the best we got"?
 
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werepossum

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A simple question: Is Capitalism the end game? Can humanity do better?

Can you answer without "too broke to fix" or "the best we got"?
I think capitalism is the end game, but fairly heavily regulated. Enlightened self interest has been the secret to most of the world's progress, which is good. But any self interest, whether in capitalism or in Marxism, can result in negative progress, so it has to be regulated at the lowest possible effective level - which is probably fairly heavily.

Marxism as a system of economics will never work until humans are willing to work as hard for "the common good" as for themselves and their loved ones, until the smartest and most capable people will inevitably be in control (but only as long as they remain the smartest and most capable people) and will rule without any personal or ideological bias, and until some of us really are smarter and more ethical than all of us put together. That is, Marxism as a system of economics will never work until humans are no longer human.

As Ronaldus Maximus said, Socialism only works in two places - Hell, where they already have it, and Heaven, where they don't need it.
 

nehalem256

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I think capitalism is the end game, but fairly heavily regulated. Enlightened self interest has been the secret to most of the world's progress, which is good. But any self interest, whether in capitalism or in Marxism, can result in negative progress, so it has to be regulated at the lowest possible effective level - which is probably fairly heavily.

The problem is you have to not just regulate capitalism, but human behavior in general.

It is insane to allow people unable to work anything other than a minimum wage, if that, to pop out as many children as they feel like.

werepossum said:
Marxism as a system of economics will never work until humans are willing to work as hard for "the common good" as for themselves and their loved ones, until the smartest and most capable people will inevitably be in control (but only as long as they remain the smartest and most capable people) and will rule without any personal or ideological bias, and until some of us really are smarter and more ethical than all of us put together. That is, Marxism as a system of economics will never work until humans are no longer human.

As Ronaldus Maximus said, Socialism only works in two places - Hell, where they already have it, and Heaven, where they don't need it.

The problem is the marxism is inherently anti-evolutionary. Genes that cause people to work hard for people they are not close to (and therefore likely not kin, or at the very least friends who will reciprocate) will tend to be breed out of the population for obvious reasons.