Liberal School says song about the Occupy Protests is not Political

[spidey07]

None so blind as he who will not see.


I think I shall call you "Phineas". Only because it appeals to me to do so.

Class warfare is political, it cannot be sung. No political speech or taking sides in public school, that's a no-no.

This is just like when Obama wanted to ram his political ideology down the throats of 7 years olds - we will have none of that shit in this country. Next you'll want the kids singing "dear leader".

Class warfare is the primary tool of communism, and it's on full display with this indoctrination.

 

[cybrsage]

None so blind as he who will not see.


I think I shall call you "Phineas". Only because it appeals to me to do so.

You quoted me, then did not bother to answer the question. I will post it again:

Is it political or not? If yes, then it cannot have been sung.

 

[cybrsage]

Class warfare is political, it cannot be sung. No political speech or taking sides in public school, that's a no-no.

Iron Wing is incapable of admitting this.

 

[IronWing]

Iron Wing is incapable of admitting this.

You really do need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[Steeplerot]

Class warfare is the primary tool of communism, and it's on full display with this indoctrination.

Class warfare is nothing less then humans asserting themselves against money/power accumulation, it is not political although politics can be used, it is a trait of our species that keep us evolving into new cultures and eating the weaker aspect that has overreached their power.

It is literally a biological force of nature you could say, a ever evolving aspect of humanity, or yes, as communists call it: the "permanent revolution" -the whole history of civilization itself. From Egyptian times when the priests would screw up and get overthrown by slaves to now when banksters overreach and crash world economics.

Welcome to the human race!

 

[cybrsage]

You really do need to work on your reading comprehension.

Not at all. I asked a direct question multiple times, you refused to answer it multiple times.

There is no doubt in this.

 

[cybrsage]

Class warfare is nothing less then humans asserting themselves against money/power accumulation, it is not political although politics can be used, it is a trait of our species that keep us evolving into new cultures and eating the weaker aspect that has overreached their power.

It is literally a biological force of nature you could say, a ever evolving aspect of humanity, or yes, as communists call it: the "permanent revolution" the whole history of civilization itself.

I would agree, but they want leglislation created against the 1%, which makes it political. Why they are protesting those who make $350,000 a year is beyond me, though.

 

[spidey07]

I would agree, but they want leglislation created against the 1%, which makes it political. Why they are protesting those who make $350,000 a year is beyond me, though.

In their mind, and in the mind of the liberal, the person EARNING that money somehow stole it from them. This is what class warfare is about to it's core, make the useful idiot believe it is those with more money than they who are the problem.

It's at the core of the mind of a liberal, and similarly the communist, they aren't much different.

 

[IronWing]

Not at all. I asked a direct question multiple times, you refused to answer it multiple times.

There is no doubt in this.

Phineas, you did more than ask a question. Your question is not an issue. You made an assertion not supported by the material you quoted. There is no doubt at all.

 

[Steeplerot]

I would agree, but they want leglislation created against the 1%, which makes it political. Why they are protesting those who make $350,000 a year is beyond me, though.

They are not, there may be a few signs of morons who are young and not get it, but then you can find morons within any group if you are looking to broad brush and dismiss to fit your bias, the underlying emotion and fed up aspect is in line with what I speak of although the message is immature in political nature.

"eat the rich!" rhetoric is immature but historically it is actually quite part of what created our diverse civilization that spans the globe.

This is why lefties call conservatives "regressives" you all are literally arguing for degeneration of human society.

(although we can do much better then literally eating the rich in modern society, this is why we have liberal democracy so we all get a choice on what and how much to tax)

 

[spidey07]

They are not, there may be a few signs of morons who are young and not get it, but then you can find morons within any group if you are looking to broad brush and dismiss to fit your bias, the underlying emotion and fed up aspect is in line with what I speak of although the message is immature.

This is EXACTLY what marx believed and taught. You are a true communist.

Natural order and law tends toward capitalism, marx believed it tended toward communism and caplitalism was an abomination of natural order. History has said the exact opposite.

 

[bfdd]

Lonely and bitter much? Good luck ever attracting a woman with a good head on her shoulders with such a misogynist attitude little boy.

lol, not a misogynist but that's ok you've been way to brainwashed by it. demonization of masculinity and lifting to unwarranted levels of feminism is destroying things. yin and yang. don't trip though most women don't like this overly feminized world either. they're just using it for control, non-violence obey mother. lol

 

[cybrsage]

Phineas, you did more than ask a question. Your question is not an issue. You made an assertion not supported by the material you quoted. There is no doubt at all.

Dorkicus, I did ask a question. You refused to answer it. That is obvious, no matter how much you pretend you did not do so.

Why do you refuse to answer the question?

 

[Steeplerot]

This is EXACTLY what marx believed and taught. You are a true communist.

Natural order and law tends toward capitalism, marx believed it tended toward communism and caplitalism was an abomination of natural order. History has said the exact opposite.

Capitalism is not order, it is chaos, order is created by humanity coming together and finding common ground so we can all coexist without being exploited by the inevitable power grabs and boom and busts cycles that inevitably always happen when society is out of balance.

This cycle has repeated itself since slavery and exploitation of the weaker was created (time immemorial)

I am not a Marxist, I reject Marx's idea of a "Tyranny of the proletariat" although many of his non-philosophical economic ideas are still VERY relevant if you actually read his works although he could not see how capitalism consolidated power and drugs dulling the working classes pain and mass media manipulation of workers self-interests.

With that said I am a Bakuninist of sorts. Karl Marx's greatest enemy in his day, a Socialist who believes in free associative democratic society from the ground up.

I prefer the historical term left-libertarian thank you (not to be confused with the modern term of Libertarian in the USA which is more accurately known as neo-liberal or just plain capitalist for short)

I do not have a problem with being a "commie", but I reject the Leninist crap, even Marx himself despised the types who used his writings to call for dictatorship as he realized Bakunin was right all those years by criticizing that aspect of his ideas of communism.

You reactionary sorts have a lot to learn about your enemy, it is really sad when you pull this crap like "libs want the BIG gubbermunt" you all have no clue about your enemy, which just weakens your relevancy in debate. This is why you must hide behind cult like black and white thinking like a religious fanatic in the past few decades. Us vs. them is no way to govern a civil society. Fascist thinking like this ALWAYS loses, nor is it sustainable in a free society.

Anyhow since you want to label me a Marxist (LOL! If you all had ANY clue about leftism you would feel really silly)

I got something for you guys since you hate Marx:

This is one of the big glaring discrepancies of modern conservatism Marx was correct on calling you guys out for, I would love to see you all actually debate leftist thought sometime without retreating into Leninist 20th century revisionist BS. Marx died LONG before the USSR.

I will check again soon, this will be actually funny as I read a lot about Marxism and debate Marxists on leftist forums often as a lefty-libertarian I despise Marxist/Leninist revisionist crap. I doubt any of you even know about Lenin even or HIS economics besides "OMG redistribute big gubbermunt LULZ!!"

 

[werepossum]

Funny, last I checked this country was founded by a bunch of stinky revolutionaries camping out because of being fed up by the corporate greed run amok of the British east India tea company.

Now, the big question for modern conservatism is: whose side are YOU on?

Think hard, this shit is getting into final jeopardy round soon. Doo dee doo doo...

Now I'm stuck wondering if you're the only person in the world who believes that.

Our objections were, and remain, taxation without representation and government-established and -maintained monopolies, not with any particular corporation.

 

[CPA]

Right steeplerot, I am the problem. Whatever makes your pathetic brain sleep better at night.

You and me are the problem and Chavez and Castro are the solution according to steeple

 

[Steeplerot]

You and me are the problem and Chavez and Castro are the solution according to steeple

Actually, the big problem is you guys' red herrings and cluelessness of leftism. Both of these characters you mention are state capitalist and authoritarian. (Castro being Stalinist which is VERY reactionary/right wing in nature) Try cracking a book sometime, you sound like idiot talk radio mouthpieces so sure in your glaring ignorance.

 

[Steeplerot]

Now I'm stuck wondering if you're the only person in the world who believes that.

Our objections were, and remain, taxation without representation and government-established and -maintained monopolies, not with any particular corporation.

Representation in taxation is a call for democracy..duuur.

Democracies main utilitarian purpose behind the scenes is to give everyone a vote on where and how much taxes should be levied instead of the monopolies that inevitably form through capitalism/serfdom telling US how they are going to use our money.

If the corporations own our asses and buy out our democracy then we have NO REPRESENTATION IN TAXATION.

This is why people were so pissed about the British East India Tea Company back then which was basiclly a huge multinational corporation that was a tool of the British monarchy. (it basically owned the Monarchy really since the beast had grown so large by this point and started to eclipse the whole British economy/political system even over there)

This is why right wing corporate propaganda is always anti-democratic in nature, as corporations and the profit motive are HINDERED by democracy and people voting in a civil society.

I hope this explains my point a little better and US history.

 

[Genx87]

Actually, the big problem is you guys' red herrings and cluelessness of leftism. Both of these characters you mention are state capitalist and authoritarian. (Castro being Stalinist which is VERY reactionary/right wing in nature) Try cracking a book sometime, you sound like idiot talk radio mouthpieces so sure in your glaring ignorance.

This is some great insight into your political view when Castro and Stalin are right wingers.

 

[Steeplerot]

This is some great insight into your political view when Castro and Stalin are right wingers.

Reactionaries hide behind anything, their methodology is one of the thug and liars, thus Hitler using the term National Socialism so arrogantly, Stalin using the workers revoloution and killing off anyone who actually took part in said revolution, all the way to foxnews using "fair and balanced"

If you have no sound ideology then lie to misrepresent others views, confuse by using rhetoric from your enemy, or just plain lie. Another good strategy is dividing the working classes against one another with sexism/racism/religion/nationalism/fear/or come up with endless crisis while the capitalists/reactionaries rape all.

This is human history in a nutshell and how serfdom/slavery has existed for so long.

 

[monovillage]

The rules for the school state emphatically that it cannot be used for political purposes. End of story. It's only a few elite "progressives" that are so self-righteous they believe no rules should apply to them. Nothing new.

 

[Steeplerot]

It's only a few elite "progressives" that are so self-righteous they believe no rules should apply to them. Nothing new.

No one even said that but you. Once again you guys cherry pick some bullshit individual case and apply it to some giant broad brush conspiracy. Whatever feeds the rage machine for bored folks with no lives. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[Throckmorton]

This is bizarre... schools shouldn't be having kids write political songs like this.

 

[irishScott]

Funny, last I checked this country was founded by a bunch of stinky revolutionaries camping out because of being fed up by the corporate greed run amok of the British east India tea company.

Now, the big question for modern conservatism is: whose side are YOU on?

Think hard, this shit is getting into final jeopardy round soon. Doo dee doo doo...

I'll take "you can't do shit to me and I don't really care what you think" for 5 million Alex.

 

[Steeplerot]

I'll take "you can't do shit to me and I don't really care what you think" for 5 million Alex.

It's ok, you are really only screwing yourselves and your families. I can just leave if this becomes the United Banana Republic States. Be a shame though.