Liberal media? Where?

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm not claiming FOX is biased, I'm STATING it. It's a FACT. Everyone knows it, except you, apparently.

Sure Fox is biased, as I said many times that was its creators goal to counter all of the liberal media that Americans are constantly subjected to, Such as CNN, NBC, ABC...etc.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm not claiming FOX is biased, I'm STATING it. It's a FACT. Everyone knows it, except you, apparently.

Sure Fox is biased, as I said many times that was its creators goal to counter all of the liberal media that Americans are constantly subjected to, Such as CNN, NBC, ABC...etc.

LOL!

You say liberal like it's a bad thing. And, sources such as CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are rather centrist. When you say liberal you are really wanting to say leftist or socialist. You should look at sites like motherjones.com or wsws.org if you want to see the view from the left.

I am sick and tired of the right trying to distort the term liberal and paint it as meaning leftist or socialist.

This nation was founded upon liberal principles (freedom of speech, religion, etc.)

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm not claiming FOX is biased, I'm STATING it. It's a FACT. Everyone knows it, except you, apparently.

Sure Fox is biased, as I said many times that was its creators goal to counter all of the liberal media that Americans are constantly subjected to, Such as CNN, NBC, ABC...etc.

LOL!

You say liberal like it's a bad thing. And, sources such as CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are rather centrist. When you say liberal you are really wanting to say leftist or socialist. You should look at sites like motherjones.com or wsws.org if you want to see the view from the left.

I am sick and tired of the right trying to distort the term liberal and paint it as meaning leftist or socialist.

This nation was founded upon liberal principles (freedom of speech, religion, etc.)

I would say the country was founded upon Libertarian ideals, Liberals I know tend to believe in tax and spend socialism.

 

[conjur]

Because you are labeling them as liberals. You've been listening to Hannity and Limbaugh too much and have bought into the spin.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm not claiming FOX is biased, I'm STATING it. It's a FACT. Everyone knows it, except you, apparently.

Ok, because you say so.. that makes it so.

 

[piasabird]

Even Katie Kuric (Spell?) said the Media has a liberal Bias!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm not claiming FOX is biased, I'm STATING it. It's a FACT. Everyone knows it, except you, apparently.

Ok, because you say so.. that makes it so.

No, not because I say so, because everyone else says so, including those at FOX.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

http://www.thatliberalmedia.com/

Some serious grasping at straws on the "tahtliberalmedia" website.
I don't expect the assault to slow down, however. The more people make the charges of liberal bias, the less issues that liberals care about (like investigative journalism on environmental issues - a rare sight on the main media channels) get airtime.

I would be happy to see one of the networks or a cable station come out and declare themselves to be a counterpoint to fox news and openly slant their coverage to the left. Ultimately, it's about covering issues that your viewers care about (hence I bear no grudge against FOX news and its viewers), and those of us on the left aren't being catered to by any major media outlet in this culture of "bias" fear.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
LOL!

You say liberal like it's a bad thing. And, sources such as CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are rather centrist. When you say liberal you are really wanting to say leftist or socialist. You should look at sites like motherjones.com or wsws.org if you want to see the view from the left.

I am sick and tired of the right trying to distort the term liberal and paint it as meaning leftist or socialist.

This nation was founded upon liberal principles (freedom of speech, religion, etc.)

IMHO liberal is a bad thing when taken too far, just as conservatism can be if taken too far, from watching years of broadcast media, focusing my college education on media and politics it is obvious that most mainstream broadcast media has a clear left slant.

 

[Zephyr106]

Liberal bias evidence please....

It must be so easy to find. Just a simple quote or screen capture from CNN's everday liberal rantings.

Zephyr

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
LOL!

You say liberal like it's a bad thing. And, sources such as CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are rather centrist. When you say liberal you are really wanting to say leftist or socialist. You should look at sites like motherjones.com or wsws.org if you want to see the view from the left.

I am sick and tired of the right trying to distort the term liberal and paint it as meaning leftist or socialist.

This nation was founded upon liberal principles (freedom of speech, religion, etc.)

IMHO liberal is a bad thing when taken too far, just as conservatism can be if taken too far, from watching years of broadcast media, focusing my college education on media and politics it is obvious that most mainstream broadcast media has a clear left slant.

Anything taken too far is a bad thing. Neoconservatism is a liberal run amok with visions of authoritarian grandeur.

I disagree that "most mainstream broadcast media has a clear left slant". I see it as rather centrist. There is plenty of criticism leveled at people like Kerry, the Clintons, etc. from all types of media. The press was relentless against Gore, too, during the 2000 election.

When you look at the big picture, you have the leftist sites like VillageVoice, Mother Jones, World Socialist WebSite, Air America. Then you have the centrist big media (ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Wash. Post). Then you have the right-wing sites (FOX News, Wash. Times, Newsmax, AM Talk Radio, etc.)

 

[Genx87]

This gets the most pathetic post of the day award.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: naddicott
Some serious grasping at straws on the "tahtliberalmedia" website.

No more so than FAIR. "thatliberalmedia" was conceived as a counter to the book, "What Liberal Media?".

Semantics aside, however, probably the best interpretations of so-called "media bias" (left or right) are from Dr. Andrew Cline at the Rhetorica website.

[...]

(hence I bear no grudge against FOX news and its viewers)

I rarely watch Fox. The only reason I link reports from the Fox website is because others are either unavailable or nonexistent. Even so, the "If true, then" disclaimer is usually added.

 

[Lairans]

Its difficult to believe that ABC/CNN/NBC/CBS are not susceptable to the slightest influence by the four huge conglomerates that own them all.

Viacom - CBS
Disney - ABC
AOL/TIME WARNER - CNN
NBC - General Electric

These are enormous companies that make more money in a day than many of us will see in a lifetime. Its hard to believe that any of these companies could actually hold a liberal bias given the amount of cash flow that they have. Pure economics would dictate that the people that own these companies would actually benefit from the tax cuts and economic policies implimented by the Bush (conservative) administration. Bush , a corporate CEO himself knows how much money he saved these enormous and incredibly powerfull corporations (and likely expects their support). Think about it, these companies control almost all the mainstream information that is presented to the American public.

A flaming liberal bias is just very hard to comprehend given the original location of the funding for the news organizations.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Lairans
Its difficult to believe that ABC/CNN/NBC/CBS are not susceptable to the slightest influence by the four huge conglomerates that own them all.

Viacom - CBS
Disney - ABC
AOL/TIME WARNER - CNN
NBC - General Electric

These are enormous companies that make more money in a day than many of us will see in a lifetime. Its hard to believe that any of these companies could actually hold a liberal bias given the amount of cash flow that they have. Pure economics would dictate that the people that own these companies would actually benefit from the tax cuts and economic policies implimented by the Bush (conservative) administration. Bush , a corporate CEO himself knows how much money he saved these enormous and incredibly powerfull corporations (and likely expects their support). Think about it, these companies control almost all the mainstream information that is presented to the American public.

A flaming liberal bias is just very hard to comprehend given the original location of the funding for the news organizations.

But...but...but...they criticize the Bush! They MUST be liberal and they're definitely traitors!! :| :|


I love how Disney, via Eisner, caved into invisible pressure and made-up claims about Jeb pulling tax breaks in Florida if they distributed Fahrenheit 9/11. And that mentality doesn't reach down to the news editor level? Pffffft

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: naddicott
Some serious grasping at straws on the "tahtliberalmedia" website.

No more so than FAIR. "thatliberalmedia" was conceived as a counter to the book, "What Liberal Media?".

Semantics aside, however, probably the best interpretations of so-called "media bias" (left or right) are from Dr. Andrew Cline at the Rhetorica website.

Very interesting link. I like his quote at the bottom of the page (prefaced by "I said it, Jay Rosen added the flesh"):

One point of clarification: When I say "hardly useful in coming to a better understanding of what is happening in the world," I am talking about the desire to understand our world in general, i.e. how and why it works--an ongoing effort to be sure. Bias crusaders divert your attention from such understanding for their own political gain, although we may add their efforts to the list of things we would hope to understand.

I find the bias wars annoying because they fool people into thinking that the news media have one political bias (right or left). In fact, they have many political biases. But it is far more important to understand the structural biases if what we wish to do is understand how journalism works and why journalists do the things they do. On this I have said:

"For that better understanding we need a theory.
A theory offers us a model that tells us why things happen as they do. Further, a theory allows us to predict outcomes and behavior. Assertions of ideological bias do neither. While we can expect the press to demonstrate ideological biases in regard to certain issues or other localized phenomena, these and other behaviors are explained and predicted by the structural biases. Since the press sometimes demonstrates a conservative bias, asserting that the press is liberal neither predicts nor explains. Since the press sometimes demonstrates a liberal bias, asserting that the press is conservative neither predicts nor explains."

Let me state this more forcefully: Claims of political bias do not predict journalistic behavior. This means a claim of political bias against the news media in general (right or left and stated as theory), that ignores the structural bias theory, is propaganda.

Again, we may point to any number of localized instances of political bias. And these instances must always be challenged by critics and news consumers. But such localized events do not add up to a liberal or conservative news media in general.

Couldn't say it better myself.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
This is great and all, but please post the links demonstrating the liberal bias at CNN. Thanks.

Zephyr

Strange that people depend on links so much around here. Anyway, if you want to see liberal media bias just bring up the subject of firearms. Having said that, there was an obvious conservative bias in the run up to "Operation Iraqi Freedom(tm)." That was weird.

 

[conjur]

CNN leaning for Bush?

http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000702.asp