Liberal Hypocrisy

irwincur

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Just a thought...

Post 9-11, liberals everywhere were complaining because Bush did not do enough to stop the attack. They also said that we need to work harder to prevent attacks before they occur. If I recall, almost everyone in the government was for preventative measures. After all, there was FBI knowledge and a few warning. But, no one acted on these warnings. In the end this attack was basically blamed on Bush - even though we all know who really dropped the ball.

The lesson... if there are even a few slight inconsistancies in intelligence we need to act on them.


Post Iraq, liberals everywhere are pissed at Bush because he actually followed through with their doctrine. It was the liberals in government that blamed Bush for not preventing 9-11 even though there was 'limited' knowledge of the attack. 'He had information and should have acted', was the mantra.

Well, when he had information that someone in the world could be a credible threat, he acted. The new criteria for judgement (as laid out by liberals) was that if there WAS ANY chance of something happening, someone should act. In order to prevent future disasters any trigger was good enough.


So, what is the point. Well, you can't have it both ways. This is in essence why no one trusts a liberal, they use everything as a political attack. The ends justify the means. Which is BS. If they were ethically superior they would understand that the paradigm had shifted, that the very policy they supported now required preventative measures.

After all, what would they have said if Saddam lingered and attacked down the road. They would have hailed the Bush policy as a monumental failure. Much as many hail Clinton's appeasment of N Korea, Iraq, India, Pakistan, and Palastine (Arafat) as huge foreign policy blunders.
 

Moonbeam

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There is a big difference between not calling the police to investigate a burned up armored car in your neighbors yard after one had gone missing and killing him because he rents a room to an Arab and then criticizing the rest the people who can see that difference as liberal hypocrites who will use any excuse to be critical. In fact it would certainly be true that any imbecile who couldn't see the difference and used that as an excuse to charge liberal hypocrisy would certainly have to be truly an imbecile or a conservative hypocrite desperate to find even the most pale and inane point to try to score one for the kind of turds who actually would kill that neighbor.
 

PingSpike

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You're just breaking your back trying to find a way to blame everything in the world on "liberals" aren't you? Guess what? Hippies didn't do it. They just smoked weed and did nothing, like they always did.
 

conjur

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WTH have you been drinking?

You're trying to compare being more proactive in fighting terrorism pre-9/11 to the complete and utter fvckup known as the War on Iraq??
 

piasabird

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We could have prevented world war 2 also just by attacking germany in the beginning of the war instead of waiting till all of Europe was involved. If Hitler would have settled for Europe, We might have let him just have that.
 

irwincur

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I'll make it simple with a quote from the Times...

"Was that an acceptable level of risk? Kerry supporters want to have it both ways: to savage the administration for failing to foresee September 11 while asking it to ignore intelligence warnings about the overwhelming probability that Saddam had chemical weapons and poisons, and that he was seeking to acquire a nuclear capability."

That was written by a liberal, she understands the flawed logic of most liberals. Including conjure and tallest1.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: piasabird
We could have prevented world war 2 also just by attacking germany in the beginning of the war instead of waiting till all of Europe was involved. If Hitler would have settled for Europe, We might have let him just have that.

And if we'd nuked Mexico we wouldn't any trouble with illegal immigrants!

Hindsight is 20/20. Events played out how they played out, no one back then knew for sure where things would go.

It is very unlikely we would have simply 'allowed' Hitler to have Europe. Hitler was attacking England heavily, not only did most Americans at that time want to support England...they owed a lot money which we probably wouldn't have collected if they fell. I think the same was felt about France. What is more likely, is that we would have had a much more difficult time defeating Germany had Hitler not forced himself into a 2 front war.
 

Todd33

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So acting on the CIA director Tenet's warnings and Richard Clarke's warnings and not calling meetings is the same as invading and occupying a country? Got it. Rather than repeating nonsensical right wing mass emails, try thinking.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: irwincur
I'll make it simple with a quote from the Times...

"Was that an acceptable level of risk? Kerry supporters want to have it both ways: to savage the administration for failing to foresee September 11 while asking it to ignore intelligence warnings about the overwhelming probability that Saddam had chemical weapons and poisons, and that he was seeking to acquire a nuclear capability."

That was written by a liberal, she understands the flawed logic of most liberals. Including conjure and tallest1.

No one asked the Bush admin to ignore warnings for the CIA and go on vacation. And addressing a warning and invading a country (I'm not even going to get into the fact that the claims of WMD were false.) are two very different things.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: irwincur
I'll make it simple with a quote from the Times...

"Was that an acceptable level of risk? Kerry supporters want to have it both ways: to savage the administration for failing to foresee September 11 while asking it to ignore intelligence warnings about the overwhelming probability that Saddam had chemical weapons and poisons, and that he was seeking to acquire a nuclear capability."

That was written by a liberal, she understands the flawed logic of most liberals. Including conjure and tallest1.
What "Times"? The Wash. Times? The only flawed logic is in the author's mind. None of the real intelligence showed Saddam possessed WMDs nor had the capability to produce them.
 

Jhhnn

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Suffering from a lack of comprehension, Inwincur, or from the usual "leap of faith" arguments by the Whitehouse propaganda corps? It's really quite understandable, at least in folks who desperately seek to believe, whose emotions, inflamed by Neocon agitprop, rule their intellect.

First, demonstrate Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attack, then we can have something approaching an intelligent discussion...

 

fjord

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If it makes you feel better:

Bush's performance after 9/11 is/has been so corrupt-- there is simply no justification, no coherent logic, no honest appraisal that merits the re-election of the Bush administration.

---Excluding any connotation of blame -- pre or post 9/11
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Well, you can't have it both ways.

Sure you can, it's easy. It's called hindsight.

Hindsight? Hardly. Plenty of experts and 99% of the World said don't attack Iraq, there are no WMD and you will end up in a quagmire for many years! And yet Bush did not listen. What he lacked was foresight.
 

ducksoup0

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I'd like to see the "conserve" put back in "conservative" and the "liberate" put back in "liberal".

Right now, they're both the same: "douche-bags"
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: ducksoup0
I'd like to see the "conserve" put back in "conservative" and the "liberate" put back in "liberal".

Right now, they're both the same: "douche-bags"

Sounds about right.