LGA 2011 Owners.. The Xeon 8 Core 16 HT E5-2687W is finally here

[IntelUser2000]

So we know what offers the increase in IPC for Ivy Bridge.

Its still a shrink, okay its not a straight shrink but they always added few things to a shrink. Westmere is the only Intel CPU that didn't bring direct performance related changes.

With all due respect, expecting a 15% increase in IPC for Haswell sounds like the same kind of fanboy fantasy to me, unless you can back it up with plausible ways to achieve that...

I don't expect Haswell to be 50-100% faster than Ivy Bridge and be as big of a leap as Pentium Extreme "Presler" was to Core 2 Duo. I saw that not too quite rarely with Bulldozer. The "Agena" core wasn't that horrible to begin with.

You are right, I don't know. See Nehalem though, 20% performance gains weren't uniform across the application spectrum. Some single thread applications got less than 5%. Haswell could be similar with advances ending up 5-10% with perhaps additional 5% with much faster memory like on-package DRAM.

 

[blckgrffn]

Intel still managed to absolutely dominate AMD even back then in sales. Not only is Intel that much bigger than AMD has ever been, but they cheated a bit to keep AMD out of Dell computers.

True,and I am not disputing that.

I was trying to point out that they had to keep polishing that turd for quite a while before moving on. Denial mus have been strong with Intel...

 

[Smartazz]

True,and I am not disputing that.

I was trying to point out that they had to keep polishing that turd for quite a while before moving on. Denial mus have been strong with Intel...

I've heard Pentium 4 referred to as Intel's Markrotechture
It was a marketer's dream as its high clock speed was easy to market. That said, I owned a Pentium 4 3GHz, and I was happy with it, but in terms of IPC, their mobile line crushed their desktop line.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel still managed to absolutely dominate AMD even back then in sales. Not only is Intel that much bigger than AMD has ever been, but they cheated a bit to keep AMD out of Dell computers.

Umm, the only point of dominance for Netburst was when Intel was actually leading. That period was nearly entire lifespan of Northwood, the 0.13 micron version of the Pentium 4. From the first Northwood, to the end of "C" chips with 800MHz FSB, dual channel DDR memory, and Hyperthreading, it had performance lead over AMD. Prior and after that were the bad days.

Despite what you said about anti-trust and Intel's better marketing, AMD at its peak had greater than 50% marketshare in retail at one point, which is what's sold by brand name companies like Dell and stores like Best Buy. Even marketing needs facts to work.

 

[Fun Guy]

It looks like i'll be the guinea pig for this processor. I placed my order with servers direct and will give them a call for availability tomorrow morning.

Wow. Two grand for a processor.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Wow. Two grand for a processor.

Still beats the $1k+ I spent on a PII-400 back in the day. Should have just gone for a PII-333 and OCed it :|

 

[Don Karnage]

Wow. Two grand for a processor.

I cancelled that order and ordered it from newegg for 1899.99

Still beats the $1k+ I spent on a PII-400 back in the day. Should have just gone for a PII-333 and OCed it :|

I still remember paying 799+ for a Pentium 75 and motherboard combo in the 90's

 

[Idontcare]

I still remember paying 799+ for a Pentium 75 and motherboard combo in the 90's

The pentium was truly a microarchitecture marvel at its time, don't ever feel like you overpaid to own a piece of history. The P54C was nice, would have been cooler to have owned an original P5. That and the original pentium Pro.

And not just the microarchitecture, the BiCMOS process tech was rather unique in the industry as well.

 

[Fun Guy]

Still beats the $1k+ I spent on a PII-400 back in the day. Should have just gone for a PII-333 and OCed it :|

That was the one on a circuit board that mounted vertically in a slot, right? I got the 333....

 

[Ferzerp]

The pentium was truly a microarchitecture marvel at its time, don't ever feel like you overpaid to own a piece of history. The P54C was nice, would have been cooler to have owned an original P5. That and the original pentium Pro.

And not just the microarchitecture, the BiCMOS process tech was rather unique in the industry as well.

That, and the same argument could be made for any piece of old tech. Bleeding edge is always priced to bleed the wallet.

 

[BenchPress]

Haswell could be similar with advances ending up 5-10% with perhaps additional 5% with much faster memory like on-package DRAM.

Now we're talking!

Indeed a piece of on-package DRAM could actually make sense. It not only reduces latencies and offers higher bandwidth, but also reduces the system's power consumption. That's the kind of technology that would push things forward. I also noticed that the bottom half of the Haswell prototype is suspiciously empty.

The only issue is the cost of spending additional silicon on it (which could be spent on many other things instead). But that could be solved by actually replacing the L3 cache with fast 1T capacitorless eDRAM. Intel is already experimenting with that, although it seems like it would be something for the Skylake timeframe instead. In the meantime Haswell and Broadwell could perhaps feature some on-package DRAM though.

 

[Fun Guy]

Now we're talking!

Indeed a piece of on-package DRAM could actually make sense. It not only reduces latencies and offers higher bandwidth, but also reduces the system's power consumption. That's the kind of technology that would push things forward. I also noticed that the bottom half of the Haswell prototype is suspiciously empty.

The only issue is the cost of spending additional silicon on it (which could be spent on many other things instead). But that could be solved by actually replacing the L3 cache with fast 1T capacitorless eDRAM. Intel is already experimenting with that, although it seems like it would be something for the Skylake timeframe instead. In the meantime Haswell and Broadwell could perhaps feature some on-package DRAM though.

Is Haswell going to be 1155, 2011, or some other packaging?

 

[Edrick]

Is Haswell going to be 1155, 2011, or some other packaging?

Socket 1150 for mainstream.

Unknown for E class at this time.

 

[Don Karnage]

Is Haswell going to be 1155, 2011, or some other packaging?

Haswell is going to a new socket 1150

 

[greenhawk]

Still beats the $1k+ I spent on a PII-400 back in the day.

I talked myself into going the dual celeron 400a instead. Worked out cheaper for the board/cpus than getting the p2-400 and cheap board.