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LG now selling 55-inch Curved OLED TV in South Korea
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awesome. that means were probably 2 years away from seeing oled here!!! cant wait!! hold onto your ccfl lcd as long as you can- the big upgrade will be oled!
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"Consumers who scoop one up will begin receiving them as early as next month, though no official timetable has been released, nor any word of when, or if, the TV will hit Stateside."
Depends on where "here" is.
Grooveriding
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$13.5K for a 1080p screen ? OLED or not, this is fail.
4K is coming and coming fast. The 4K HDTVs have dropped $20K in price since last year.
4K is coming and coming fast. The 4K HDTVs have dropped $20K in price since last year.
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These are TVs, not monitors. At typical viewing distances you can't even tell a 1080p from 720p. If you somehow sit closer than 7 feet to a 55" screen then wait for 4k screens. http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/
cmdrdredd
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On the same TV I can probably tell when it's 720p vs 1080p. It would have to be pristine content delivery though like a blu-Ray or a PC with an uncompressed video. Maybe it's just because I am used to how my TV looks and can pick out small differences in the image.
4k TV may be the future but I don't see much of a future when the method for content delivery is a $1300 3rd party device(that can only upscale 1080p content) or a PC with specific 4k content loaded on it. We aren't even broadcasting 1080p yet which is what I would expect to come first.
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Like 3D and smart TVs it is only becomes mainstream when it becomes a standard feature with low cost sets, not because it is something the masses are actively looking for.
Besides replacement cycles for TVs are loooooooooong for most people. The Koreans were smart enough to bet on mobile devices instead of TVs since those have far shorter replacement cycles and much easier to excite people with. The Japanese? Not so much.
I dunno. OLED still has significant drawbacks, last I heard the blue phosphor half life "problem" with OLED is not fixed. This leads to image burn in and significantly shorter product life than is the norm with other panel types - which have a phosphor half life of around 20 years. And then there's the cost - 12000$ premium over other panels.
I have a 2002 scientific magazine stating that OLED would take over in 2005, it has been in the works for nearly 2 decades. I guess they haven't found ways around the technical issues for bigscreens, though, although it could have been rectified recently.
Long story short, I wouldn't hold my breath for OLED to become the next big thing. Yet. Significant drawbacks to the technology at this time.
I have a 2002 scientific magazine stating that OLED would take over in 2005, it has been in the works for nearly 2 decades. I guess they haven't found ways around the technical issues for bigscreens, though, although it could have been rectified recently.
Long story short, I wouldn't hold my breath for OLED to become the next big thing. Yet. Significant drawbacks to the technology at this time.
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Sharp (A Japanese company) is the world's largest manufacturer of small panel (smartphone) displays. Japan Display Incorporated is in 2nd place, iirc...
I haven't been to an IMAX theatre in ages but I've heard this curved display is like that, which makes it easier for those not at the center to feel like they are. For those interested in 4K OLED, SONY and Panasonic will be coming out with such panels next year...
Grooveriding
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1080p is irrelevant soon enough for TVs. HDTVs are dirt cheap at this point for huge sizes, 3D, whatever. The margins are likely dismal for anything but the premium quality sets. 3D saw little adoption to drive new sales to upgrade out of non 3d and now you can barely find a set that does not support it, and there is no premium attached to it any more. They need something new to try to keep hdtvs moving, like any other tech.
4K is seeing huge price drops from $25k last year to $5k this year coming. A year or two and they will be in your local Best Buy for a few thousand. Just do not see the point in any brand spanking new hdtv tech that is not 4k.
I agree there is no content for 4k, but it will come. The 4k recording devices are out there, cable/tv companies have networks that have the bandwidth for compressed 4k content etc. Never mind that 1080p upscales fine to 4k without distortion. I have seen this first hand with a 4k projector.
OLED is cool and all, but personally the next time I buy another HDTV it will be 4K and will probably be at a price I want (a lot less than $13.5K) in 2014.
4K is seeing huge price drops from $25k last year to $5k this year coming. A year or two and they will be in your local Best Buy for a few thousand. Just do not see the point in any brand spanking new hdtv tech that is not 4k.
I agree there is no content for 4k, but it will come. The 4k recording devices are out there, cable/tv companies have networks that have the bandwidth for compressed 4k content etc. Never mind that 1080p upscales fine to 4k without distortion. I have seen this first hand with a 4k projector.
OLED is cool and all, but personally the next time I buy another HDTV it will be 4K and will probably be at a price I want (a lot less than $13.5K) in 2014.
50" 4K tvs can be had for less than $1300 now...
http://www.shopnbc.com/offer/?offercode=437-325&rap=3505&chid=ciGBips&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=437-325
Grooveriding
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Sort of seems like a random price on a no name brand, but still interesting at that price.
These are what I mostly see at the big box stores.
http://www.futureshop.ca/Search/Sea...c747261204844&viewall=true&targetCategory=tvs
5K is reasonable to me already for a 65". But I think another year will let some better more refined models show up.
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I would put money on comcast and others NOT putting effort into any 4k channels. They'd just do 4 standard 720p channels instead and say "see now you get 4 channels instead of just 1".
How can 1080p be irrelevant when there is no broadcast? Plus 1080p upscaled to 4k is not good enough. Gotta have the native resolution content IMO for me to consider investing any significant amount of money into it. I have no doubt it'll be forced in because people didn't buy into the 3D crap (IMO anyway). I just don't see the content being there to actually make use of it. Maybe there will be some fixes in the future for the whole 30hz thing when connecting your PC. HDMI 1.4 seems to be limited to that.
PC Perspective did a writeup on this model and they found some issues with it that would make me balk. Namely flickering when doing some gaming on it. The #1 issue for me is limited to 30hz refresh from your PC. Ouch.
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Grooveriding
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I can't really speak to US tv providers. I think Comcast is a cable company though right ? Up here we have providers no longer using cable (not that digital cable doesn't also have the bandwidth for higher resolutions) that deliver 1080p signals already.
When I say irrelevant think of it more in terms of that in just a few years from now there will probably as many or more 4K sets available than there are 1080p sets.
I don't think it will be a hurdle to deliver media for them either, perhaps not from your cable provider, but it sounds like they are still stuck on 720p even today. But films and media you purchase. Do we even need a new format other than Blu-ray beyond convenience's sake ? Movies could simply come on multiple blu-ray disks, many already do, it's not like the media is more than a few nickels a piece at the press-production level.
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Yeah here in the US most cable and satellite providers limit the bandwidth available significantly. To them they would rather have more people paying a monthly bill than to increase the quality of the provided service. I absolutely loathe the cable providers here. They have a monopoly and they let you know it through crap service and you basically have no choice. In my area I don't even consider AT&T an alternative.
Currently the only way to get 1080p content is to watch a pay per view or on demand show that says 1080p. I don't think I have even seen this once with Comcast but I did when I had dish years ago.
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Content availability will be the main sticking-point to 4k adoption. BD discs (as they exist now) can't even hold enough for a native 4k movie.
Download real-time and watch a 120GB+ file for most people? Forget it.
I would LOVE to have a 4k TV, but what's the point if I can't get real content that feeds it? Scaled-up is 'OK' but not worth a price premium. When 1080P launched, it was expensive over 720P, but we all knew thats where content was going and BD supported it from the start. I see 4k adoption being very slow for the time being...
Download real-time and watch a 120GB+ file for most people? Forget it.
I would LOVE to have a 4k TV, but what's the point if I can't get real content that feeds it? Scaled-up is 'OK' but not worth a price premium. When 1080P launched, it was expensive over 720P, but we all knew thats where content was going and BD supported it from the start. I see 4k adoption being very slow for the time being...
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This is why physical media isn't going away any time soon.
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."
In the 90's flat screen TV and monitors were the new big thing. Now curved is coming back into style?
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If bandwidth constraints are no longer an issue then getting 4K content via the internet becomes reasonable. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of content creators, content deliverers and internet providers becoming one and the same. So they wind up having a vested interest in inhibiting your bandwidth usage and rates to keep you feeding from their trough of content.
Here where I live we have the two big incumbents; Bell & Rogers. Both own television and radio networks, both deliver HD television service and they both provide internet service as well as cell phone. They also both own the only physical networks in place to deliver internet and HDTV, networks that were initially subsidized by tax payer dollars to put in place. The crooks also price fix and essentially have a duopoly in place on pricing.
Fortunately we have alternatives for ISPs that are allowed to run over their networks for the last mile delivery of internet. So you can get speeds as high as 150mbps with no usage caps or metered caps of 300GB a month with off-peak hours where usage is un-metered. In Europe/Asia un-metered and extremely fast internet is the norm rather than the exception. If you have access to that kind of internet, streaming or downloading high definition content over the internet is no longer an issue. Problem is in North America our internet providers have their fingers in both pies and are trying to monetize bandwidth usage, which costs them nothing as ISPs pay for capacity not the actual amount of usage that travels through their pipes.
Here where I live we have the two big incumbents; Bell & Rogers. Both own television and radio networks, both deliver HD television service and they both provide internet service as well as cell phone. They also both own the only physical networks in place to deliver internet and HDTV, networks that were initially subsidized by tax payer dollars to put in place. The crooks also price fix and essentially have a duopoly in place on pricing.
Fortunately we have alternatives for ISPs that are allowed to run over their networks for the last mile delivery of internet. So you can get speeds as high as 150mbps with no usage caps or metered caps of 300GB a month with off-peak hours where usage is un-metered. In Europe/Asia un-metered and extremely fast internet is the norm rather than the exception. If you have access to that kind of internet, streaming or downloading high definition content over the internet is no longer an issue. Problem is in North America our internet providers have their fingers in both pies and are trying to monetize bandwidth usage, which costs them nothing as ISPs pay for capacity not the actual amount of usage that travels through their pipes.
I'm expecting 4K to be slow in coming in the US. Upgrading to some sort of HD was compelling, obvious and eventually cheap. I don't think 4K will enjoy that same pathway.
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