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hipppy

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Hi,

I just returned a DFI lanparty UT nF3 motherboard as it was refusing to recognize my SATA drive and would not even boot if the drive was hooked up. IDE devices were fine though. So i'm looking for a new mobo. Since i've had this problem with the nvidia chipset, i'm hesitant to go back to it again. Hence i'd appreciate if people here cud recommend a decent mobo that has via chipset. I am looking for sth that offers very good stock performance. I do not overclock .... so i'm not concerned abt its tweakability. I need a board thats very stable.

Thanks!
 

o1die

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When I installed my maxtor sata drive, all I had to do was enable it in the bios, and let maxblast find a sata driver for me. Then it proceeded to format. Many hardrive manufacturers have similar software. You should try it if you have any more problems.
 

Tbirdkid

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I wouldnt own via... as a matter of fact, they havent made a decent board since the kt333a boards... imo
 

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Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
I wouldnt own via... as a matter of fact, they havent made a decent board since the kt333a boards... imo
Tried one since then? For stock performance they have continued to make good chipsets, the K8T800 had some advantages over nF3 150 too. the abit is nice and uses the K8T800pro

Really, you shouldn't let this put you off the nF series but nothing wrong with Via for skt754 either.

 

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Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
I wouldnt own via... as a matter of fact, they havent made a decent board since the kt333a boards... imo

Uh... there wasn't a KT333a chipset. After KT333 the next was KT400 (urgh). VIA have actually made some decent chipsets since KT333... You've got the KT880 for Athlon XP/Sempron, the K8T800 Pro was and still is really good, and i have been very pleased with the K8T890 i'm using now...

 

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Originally posted by: Lukozer
Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
I wouldnt own via... as a matter of fact, they havent made a decent board since the kt333a boards... imo

Uh... there wasn't a KT333a chipset. After KT333 the next was KT400 (urgh). VIA have actually made some decent chipsets since KT333... You've got the KT880 for Athlon XP/Sempron, the K8T800 Pro was and still is really good, and i have been very pleased with the K8T890 i'm using now..
They didn't do an A but they did a CE iirc. Not that the various revisions of the nF2 chipset don't merit a little bashing either i.e. A2-A3-C1/ultra400 ;) Its all good, heck SiS has great performance@stock ont he cheap too.

 

Peter

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Let's not forget you can have ULi and SiS chipsets as well. There are few offers, but those who are there are good bargains, solid performers.
 

Bar81

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Dude, hate to break it to you but VIA is crap and if you don't like nForce you're not gonna be happy with the VIA based junk floating around. You have two options, pick up a STABLE and properly working nForce3 board (read Asus K8N-E deluxe) or, even better, pick up a mobo based upon the class performance and stability leading SiS chipset, namely, the:

Get this

http://www.asrock.com/product/product_K8S8X.htm

or the

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=14&l3=0&model=377&modelmenu=1

Although note it's a PCI-E vidcard setup.



 

will889

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Ephatically stating that VIA is crap show absolute tech ignorance. Do some of thier boards have issues? Yes, specifically 4X-8X AGP issues but only one some boards, with some hyperions with 'some' bioses. But does nVIDA have issues? Yes. SIS? Yes a few. Anything that a good tech can't deal with? Nope. The boards you pick and tbe bios you run, and the componets you shoose with it, and how well you set it up has everything to do with stability.
 

Bar81

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They're crap, both from a stability point of view and a performance standpoint. Using VIA with other options available shows absolute tech ignorance.
 

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The DFI board has 4 sata connectors,2 on chipset & 2 on the marvel chip.

The problem was probably between the keyboard & the chair. ;)
 

will889

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Originally posted by: Bar81
They're crap, both from a stability point of view and a performance standpoint. Using VIA with other options available shows absolute tech ignorance.

Speak for yourself. I run a shop and use all chipsets, and i can, and do make all of them run well. I can make a VIA K8 chipset run every bit as well as you're nVIDA K8 in you're sig. Now if you had said you prefer nVIDA because you like the stongpoints of the nVIDA chipset over VIA from you're point of view i would have respected that, but nah .. you just punked up you're statement really well and generalized the VIA chipset to be complete trash, and that told me alot about you're tech accumen.
 

uOpt

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I am getting fed up with my NForce 250 gb board, too.

I ordered a Via-based board. I didn't like Via in the past but maybe the kt800 has it's act together.
 

will889

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BTW hippy there are certain NF3 and NF4 boards that you want to to manually load the SATA drivers even if it's on the nVIDA native SATA controller. Only a few but i have set up you're exact board with the nVIDA controller with zero issues with a Samsung 160 Gig HDD. It automatcally detected it and away it went. You do have to pick the right boot order in the bios, and you do have to make sure you have valid SATA power form the PSU and cables are good. If you use the Marvel SATA chip manual driver install with F6 is necesarry before the mobo will see the SATA drive properly. Even if you find in your case you need to manually load the drivers for the SATA controller it's not a big issue.

VIA boards conversly always need manual loading of SATA drivers on the VT8237 unless you have it slipstreamed properly in the i386/drivers folder (which i do for full system builds with VIA boards so the customer never has to manually load them).l
 

will889

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Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
I am getting fed up with my NForce 250 gb board, too.
I ordered a Via-based board. I didn't like Via in the past but maybe the kt800 has it's act together.

Valid point, but both VIA and nVIDA have issues (though small ones) Past VIA issues: VIA had IRQ handling issues, AGP issues, as well as a few others (ACPI) but most of those issues seemed to depend on the mainboard implementation of the paticular chipset, and the bios created for it and how the bios handles the board. Some of the KT400 VIA boards has 8X AGP issues running properly and had to be bumped back down to 4X, and the workaround was manual, and detailed but do-able to get 8x . KT266A back in the day had memory latency issues and needed the George Breese patch to smoothen things out many times, especially with the older OS's. I know about the SB live! and Audigy issues with VIA boards, but again that depended mainly on the board maker and the bios/s operation control set to an extent. KT333 was a very good chipset, KT400 was not so good overall but a few board makers did it right (MSI-Soyo-Epox-Gigabyte). KT400A was only slighlty better then the KT400. KT600 was too late to the party after NF2 was dominating the scene for some time, but yet, there were still many happy KT400 owners. Granted they didn't have AGP/PCI lock but unless you are an overclocker on the high end it really didn't matter that much. Better to have a stock stable fast machine than a constantly broken nVIDA NF2 machine. Bios locks outs. Bios freezing. mainboard comonents not working right with even the slightesty bump in clocks (DFI Infinity initially). Epox boards were being RMA'ed at an unheard of rate too once upon a time(NF2's ) while the KT600 counterparts were happily humming along.

Move to S754/939 with VIA and they are actually very good. They don't have SLI (yet) but still very good. SLI adopters are a HUGE minority, and will continue to be imo (even though it does show promise it's just not feasable for average 'joe gamer').

SIS? They are just fine, they suffer from a few USB speed problems but nothing major, and the biggest issue on them is that they cater mostly to cheaper OEM units, but the chipset itself is actually very quick, and all it would need is the will for companies to add-in overclocking capabilities and active cooling for it on the chipset. That's it. If the SIS K8 boards could do over 230 FSB (say 270) they would really shine imo. They have the stock speed, and reliability, just not the uber overclocking potential.

But there is nothing wrong with going VIA right now at all IMO- if you don't need a super high FSB and you wan't reliability. Imo the actual board you pick, and the components that you match it up with matter above all else (besides) who puts it together) ;) A good builder covers all of that. Good part choice - careful selection of memory, and finally, really knowing how to dial it all in if you overclock with P95, SuperPI, 3Dmark, testing ram with memtest86. rechecking connections, making sure all standoffs match from board to case as not to have grounding issues etc...etc..).

 

hipppy

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The DFI board has 4 sata connectors,2 on chipset & 2 on the marvel chip.

The problem was probably between the keyboard & the chair.

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Well, wudn't it be nice if the problem was just with me? :)
I tried all the 4 sata connections. I tried loading the optimized BIOS setting, tried a different sata connector, different power cable, but no use.The PC wud just refuse to boot up. It wud just get stuck in "Detecting Array" in the IDE-RAID screen, even though I don't use RAID. Its not that the drive started to have problems as soon as I hooked it to the board. It worked fine for a few days...I installed XP and everything looked fine. And then it started to freeze up every now and then, and finally the PC shut down. It would refuse to boot. In the BIOS I saw that it didn't see the SATA drive.
I read the DFI forums , and from what I cud gather, the problem was with a faulty chipset from Nvidia. And they weren't interested in fixing this issue, as nF4 had already come out. So after contacting the DFI tech support, I returned the board.

Opinion seems to be divided between VIA and nF3. Like I mentioned, I most probably won't be overclocking. So all I need is a rock solid stock mobo. If I have to go with nF3, then so be it. I just want something around $100, and it shud have good stock performance. I had an ABIT earlier with via chipset, and it was great. I did not have one single issue with the mobo! That was another reason why i wanted to give VIA a try again.

And I already have a ATI AIW 9600XT AGP video card. I don't want to hop onto PCI-E as yet.
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
I wouldnt own via... as a matter of fact, they havent made a decent board since the kt333a boards... imo
Tried one since then? For stock performance they have continued to make good chipsets, the K8T800 had some advantages over nF3 150 too. the abit is nice and uses the K8T800pro


i own this board (kv8 pro) and i have no complaints whatsoever.. at stock speeds or overclocked moderately.. i would definetly recommend it to anyone looking for a good s754 board
 

will889

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Ther you go hippy, but you will need to F6 a driver disk when you load the operating systemwith a VIA board. That board mentioned above is extremely reliable. One of the gamers i respect the most at viaarena uses an Asus VIA board. MSI also makes very good VIA boards (look at them at newegg). This chaintech board here
seems to be a good one. Perhaps the reason you're board stopped seeing the SATA drive is because you have to press F10 during SATA setup and enter the drive under the raid config - even if it's only one drive - you have to add it. This is not always the case .. only when it fails to show up after w while. This seems to solve the issue. There are tons of people with SATA drives on that board so the board works, though yours might be a bit flakey. But teh Chaintech is a very good basic board (NF3) that gives you voltages to tweak things as well. I would get the Chaintech first, MSI or Asus VIA second, but since you seem to have had difficulty with your SATA drive and NF3 i would go with VIA this time. The MSI boards come with SATA disks too in the box ready to go. All you do is F6 @ setup.
 

uOpt

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I'm having way too much trouble (most but not all Linux related) with my NVidia board and just got a ABIT K8V-pro.

If it fixes my stuff I'll officially slam NVidia chipsets. I love their video cards but it seems they have the video card attitude of precision still in place when making mainboard chipsets.