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Letterman Grills McCain In Thursday's Make-Up Appearance

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I never watched Letterman much, if at all (I'm a Leno/Conan guy), but these last few weeks I've definitely gained a new appreciation for Dave. He was relentless and honest about McCain's "stunts" during the economic crisis, and even when McCain returned to do a make-up show, Dave still held him to the fire with some tough questions about Palin and his negative campaigning. McCain might have stopped/slowed the nightly onslaught of jokes at his expense, but he definitely didn't get the kid-glove treatment tonight.

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NEW YORK ? John McCain told David Letterman that "I screwed up" by canceling a "Late Show" appearance three weeks ago, then faced a sharp round of questioning about Sarah Palin and his campaign tactics.

Not willing to risk the wrath of Letterman again, the Republican presidential candidate rented a helicopter to fly to New York after a weather delay grounded his campaign airplane in Philadelphia. He had canceled a Sept. 24 appearance during the brief suspension of his campaign because of the economic crisis, and Letterman has been hammering him ever since.

The band played the Who's "I Can't Explain" as McCain walked onstage at the Ed Sullivan Theater. After he sat down, Letterman asked, "Can you stay?"

"Depends on how bad it gets," McCain answered.

Letterman had replaced McCain with the GOP hopeful's persistent critic, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, on Sept. 24. Olbermann was waiting in the wings Thursday _ and McCain had a pained expression when he noticed that.

Although Letterman said he was "willing to put this behind us," he came after McCain hard with questions. He asked whether Palin was his first choice as vice president.

"Absolutely," McCain answered.

He said he didn't know her well before choosing her, but that he was impressed by her reputation as a reformer.

Letterman repeatedly pressed McCain on her qualifications, asking if he was confident she could lead the country in a time of crisis.

"In all due respect, one of the people I admired most was an obscure governor of a southern state called Arkansas and he turned out to be a fairly successful president," McCain said, complimenting Bill Clinton. "Ronald Reagan was a cowboy, no experience in international affairs. I think she has shown leadership."

As Letterman pressed on, McCain asked, "Have we pretty well exhausted this?"

"No, no," Letterman said. "I'm just getting started."


Letterman questioned him about Palin's claim that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama "palled around with terrorists," and McCain backed her up, saying his opponent need to better explain his relationship with former Weather Underground activist William Ayers.

"Did you not have a relationship with Gordon Liddy?" Letterman asked about Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy.

McCain said he knew him. Then, after a commercial break, McCain said, "I know Gordon Liddy. He paid his debt, he went to prison ... I'm not in any way embarrassed to know Gordon Liddy."

"You understand the same case could be made of your relationship with him as is being made with William Ayers?" Letterman said.

McCain said he has been completely open about his relationship with Liddy.

Letterman appeared to ridicule McCain about the implication that Obama and Ayers had a relationship.

"Are they double-dating, are they going to dinner, what are they doing?" Letterman asked. "Are they driving across country?"

"Maybe going to Denny's," McCain said.

Letterman said that Obama was 8 when Ayers was 29, and McCain appeared exasperated. "There's millions of words said in a campaign. C'mon, Dave," he said.

McCain said he thought Palin would appear on NBC's "Saturday Night Live," where Tina Fey has been doing a dead-on impersonation of her. "Probably get more of an audience than our debate did," he said.

Although Letterman had said he felt like an "ugly date" after McCain's initial cancellation, representatives for the two men never stopped talking about a return date.

While McCain risked a rough appearance _ "I haven't had so much fun since my last interrogation," he said _ it gave him the chance to show courage in the face of fire. Letterman reaches about 4 million people a night, a number sure to increase with McCain as guest. With clips on the Internet and Friday morning news, countless more people will undoubtedly learn about their encounter.

McCain did offer one campaign promise that he was probably more likely to keep after he left the stage.

"It's not the time to raise anybody's taxes _ except yours," he said to Letterman. "I guarantee you if I become president, I'll do it. First executive order."
 

techs

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It's about time McCains relationshipe with that terrorist Libby was exposed.
I was hoping Obama would go after him on it during the debates.

But the real news tomorrow will be:
"McCain admits he will raise taxes"
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: techs
It's about time McCains relationshipe with that terrorist Libby was exposed.
I was hoping Obama would go after him on it during the debates.

But the real news tomorrow will be:
"McCain admits he will raise taxes"
Libby??? :roll:
 

Deliximus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: techs
It's about time McCains relationshipe with that terrorist Libby was exposed.
I was hoping Obama would go after him on it during the debates.

But the real news tomorrow will be:
"McCain admits he will raise taxes"
Libby??? :roll:

You don't know???
 

techs

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: techs
It's about time McCains relationshipe with that terrorist Libby was exposed.
I was hoping Obama would go after him on it during the debates.

But the real news tomorrow will be:
"McCain admits he will raise taxes"
Libby??? :roll:

I misspelled. Its Liddy. G. Gordon Liddy:
http://www.democrats.com/mccain-extremists

Now a conservative radio talk-show host, [G. Gordon] Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him. ... "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

My apologies confusing Libby with Liddy. There's so many criminal Republicans its hard to keep them straight.

There's no denying Liddy is a terrorist. Here is a DIRECT quote from Liddy's radio show:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...dy#Advice_to_listeners

Liddy is noted for controversial advice to his radio audience, including on one occasion in 1994, after the federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, Liddy advised his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches.
 

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isnt he supposed to be the funny man... its the height of obama ass kissing
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: andy04
isnt he supposed to be the funny man... its the height of obama ass kissing
If you payed any attention at all to anything you would of known that McCain and Letterman were friends before this incident. Dave had McCain on his show several times in the past.

If there is one thing to be learned from this its don't lie to Dave Letterman.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous. :roll:
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If calling a third rate burglar not a terrorist, even though Liddy was willing to act on an any ends justifies the means basis, how can we call Ayers a terrorist? After all Liddy and Ayers killed exactly zero people in their acts of civil disobedience.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: palehorse
Calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous. :roll:
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If calling a third rate burglar not a terrorist, even though Liddy was willing to act on an any ends justifies the means basis, how can we call Ayers a terrorist? After all Liddy and Ayers killed exactly zero people in their acts of civil disobedience.
Not according to the McCain campaign, Ayers killed Americans according to them.
 

StageLeft

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Ayers to my knowledge was a vandal who happened to use explosives; not a terrorist. If I take a chainsaw to your car I'm not a terrorist. If I use a pipebomb to explode it, I'm a terrorist now?
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Ayers to my knowledge was a vandal who happened to use explosives; not a terrorist. If I take a chainsaw to your car I'm not a terrorist. If I use a pipebomb to explode it, I'm a terrorist now?
That depends. Are you brown? Do you have an islamic name? Are you running against Captain America the war hero?
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Ayers to my knowledge was a vandal who happened to use explosives; not a terrorist. If I take a chainsaw to your car I'm not a terrorist. If I use a pipebomb to explode it, I'm a terrorist now?
I think most people can agree that bombing a federal building is going to give anyone the moniker of "terrorist".

Not sure why you chose "car" in lieu of "Pentagon" or "Capitol building"
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: palehorse
Calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous. :roll:
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If calling a third rate burglar not a terrorist, even though Liddy was willing to act on an any ends justifies the means basis, how can we call Ayers a terrorist? After all Liddy and Ayers killed exactly zero people in their acts of civil disobedience.
AFAIK, Ayers planned to "blow up Government buildings," and did use explosives to bomb private residences as well -- which surely makes him much more of a "terrorist" than "a third rate burglar."

I call it like I see it -- so yes, calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

That said, I don't believe associations with either of the two men should be an issue in this campaign.
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse

AFAIK, Ayers planned to "blow up Government buildings," and did use explosives to bomb private residences as well -- which surely makes him much more of a "terrorist" than "a third rate burglar."

I call it like I see it -- so yes, calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
First, we're talking about G. Gordon Liddy, a criminal who was convicted as an architect of the Watergate break in, not Scooter Libby, the man who outed covert CIA operative, Valerie Plame. Both are dispicable characters in American history, and neither has ever distanced himself from their respective past crimes.

If the intent is to build a case for guilt by association, once you're at the level of crimes committed by Liddy, Libby or Ayres, there's no point in making fine distinctions between the gravity of their respective, grave offenses. The relevant question in either case is what those previous associations tell us about either candidate.

No one has been able to provide any facts suggesting anything other than what Obama has fully disclosed about his association with Ayres. Further repetition of the same questions from the frenetic right won't change the facts, but they will continue to alienate more Republicans from McCain.

Here's some info about McCain's relationship with Liddy. If you want more, do your own homework, and draw your own conclusions.

That said, I don't believe associations with either of the two men should be an issue in this campaign.
Someone should have reminded McCain, Palin and the RNC about that before they tried to capitalize on it, and it blew up in their faces. :Q
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: palehorse
Calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous. :roll:
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If calling a third rate burglar not a terrorist, even though Liddy was willing to act on an any ends justifies the means basis, how can we call Ayers a terrorist? After all Liddy and Ayers killed exactly zero people in their acts of civil disobedience.
AFAIK, Ayers planned to "blow up Government buildings," and did use explosives to bomb private residences as well -- which surely makes him much more of a "terrorist" than "a third rate burglar."

I call it like I see it -- so yes, calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

That said, I don't believe associations with either of the two men should be an issue in this campaign.
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If high explosives and sneak attacks are the criteria, maybe we should ask the children of Azizabad if Nato is a terrorists organization. But wait, these children, one of whom was 3 months old at the time are dead. But some villagers still live and they say there was not a single Taliban or Al-Quida terrorist around.

Or maybe we should look at the Libby statements he advocates.
Liddy is noted for controversial advice to his radio audience, including on one occasion in 1994, after the federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, Liddy advised his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches.

Maybe some good advice, but a terrorists statement none the less.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: palehorse

AFAIK, Ayers planned to "blow up Government buildings," and did use explosives to bomb private residences as well -- which surely makes him much more of a "terrorist" than "a third rate burglar."

I call it like I see it -- so yes, calling Libby a "terrorist" is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
First, we're talking about G. Gordon Liddy, a criminal who was convicted as an architect of the Watergate break in, not Scooter Libby, the man who outed covert CIA operative, Valerie Plame. Both are dispicable characters in American history, and neither has ever distanced himself from their respective past crimes.

If the intent is to build a case for guilt by association, once you're at the level of crimes committed by Liddy, Libby or Ayres, there's no point in making fine distinctions between the gravity of their respective, grave offenses. The relevant question in either case is what those previous associations tell us about either candidate.

No one has been able to provide any facts suggesting anything other than what Obama has fully disclosed about his association with Ayres. Further repetition of the same questions from the frenetic right won't change the facts, but they will continue to alienate more Republicans from McCain.

Here's some info about McCain's relationship with Liddy. If you want more, do your own homework, and draw your own conclusions.

That said, I don't believe associations with either of the two men should be an issue in this campaign.
Someone should have reminded McCain, Palin and the RNC about that before they tried to capitalize on it, and it blew up in their faces. :Q
QFT

 

palehorse

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If high explosives and sneak attacks are the criteria, maybe we should ask the children of Azizabad if Nato is a terrorists organization. But wait, these children, one of whom was 3 months old at the time are dead. But some villagers still live and they say there was not a single Taliban or Al-Quida terrorist around.
You're a complete and total ass... and calling Liddy a "terrorist," or claiming he makes "terrorist statements" -- whatever the fuck those are -- is still g'damn ridiculous.

:roll:
 

Lemon law

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What is totally ridiculous is a matter of perspective. But still ole Gordin D. Liddy did much good to counterbalance the evil because he inadvertently helped bring down Richard M. Nixon and stopped his mass murdering ways.
 

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