Let's play, what the #$@# is wrong with my computer

Vinceisg0d

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The Setup

x1900xtx
2gb OCZ ram
4200+ amd dual core
PowerStream (SLI-Ready) OCZ520ADJSLI 520W: +3.3V(28A), +5V(40A), +12V(33A)
A8N-E Mobo

The problem

It's a self-built computer (Kind of, a team project, as there were some things I wasn't comfortable with doing). Ever since the first day, before we even booted into windows, it would get random graphical errors that seemed to come and go as they pleased, without me actually doing anything. Most of this is caused by moving the computer from one place or another. Well, not even that, just powering it off for an hour and trying to start it again.

What happens, is this:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4846/comp1lk8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4315/comp2vv1.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1305/comp3xq0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8344/comp4cu0.jpg

Okay, so this isn't EXACTLY what happens. For some reason I was stupid and never took a picture of what usually happens. But this will give you an idea.

The above is what happens when I get a VPU not responding error and my computer stablizes from the usual crash. However, it usually crashes for good a minute or so after this.

Well, when it crashes usually, it will produce glitchy graphical errors like the ones in the screenshots above, but it will take up the entire screen and you will be unable to read/see anything, as in they are more overlapping than the oens in the screenshots. The computer is still running but non responsive. If I have an MP3 playing, it will keep playing it without stutter, but will not respond to my keyboard/mouse actions. I can press stop on my keyboard, or altf4/etc, and it will not stop the music, however the music will continue playing.

Keep in mind. This crash happens regularly irregularly. It is mostly trigger by powering off my computer for a decent amount of time and/or moving it (But the moving might not have anything to do with it, it just so happens the only time I turn it off is when I move it).

When I first bought the computer (a year ago), it happened once or twice within 10 minutes, then it stopped and started doing it once a day randomly. Then it stopped altogether, and eventually I moved it from one location to another. It then would do it while booting up (before windows), and I would get extremely loud humming noises from my computer. Eventually after a minute or two it would 'stabablize' and would start up. It would crash once or twice after booting up and then not do it again until I moved the computer.

This cycle has continued to happen, but gets worse every time. This last time was the worst. I had the same start up problems, but it took me a full day to get it to boot up. And then, for the next week it would crash randomly every 20-60minutes. Up until one point I got so mad I hit it, and after that, it fixed itself and stablized. I've took out/put back in most of the insides, so I don't see why this would have done anything.Since then (3 months) It has only crashed about 4 times, all within the same day (where I hadn't moved it, touched it or turned it on in anyway).

Now, it almost comes time to move it again for the winter, and I'm scared I will be without a computer during that time because of this. So I want to try, one more time (I've posted this before, without pictures) before the time comes.

Recently, this started happening:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/300/comp5ez7.jpg

No crashes or performance changes have came with it, though.

What I have done:

Removed / Cleaned / Reinstalled drivers
Removed / Reinserted the video card
Ran Prime95 with no problems
Tried with open case and/or fan to reduce heat

What I have noticed:

I have a feeling it's not running as well as it should. I ran 3dmark06 in 1900x1200 (My resolution) and got this:

http://service.futuremark.com/...14&XLID=0&UID=12426552

Keep in mind, I ran all of the tests instead of the default, and I can run the defaults later and return back to you, but you can see the individual results through that page.
 

Quiksilver

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Have you bothered to check your processor and graphics card temps? Clean the fans (or making sure their spinning?)

Opening the case and just letting it sit their can actually increase temperatures in some cases.
 

Vinceisg0d

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It's a self built computer, by 'when I first bought it' I mean when I bought all the individual pieces.

<< Voltage, Temperature and Fans >>>

> Monitoring Chip : ITE IT8712F

>> General Information
ISA Address : 0x290
Support : A8N-E

>> Sensor Information
Sensor : ITE IT8712F
Mode : ISA (SuperIO LPC)
Configuration : According the Motherboard
Chassis intrusion : Yes

> Voltage CPU : 1.35 V

>> General Information CPU
Voltage : 1.350 V
StartupVID : 1.350 V
MaxVID : 1.400 V
MinVID : 1.100 V

> Processor Temperature (Core 1) : 4.294967E+09 °C

> Processor Temperature (Core 2) : 4.294967E+09 °C

> ACPI Thermal Zone : 40 °C

>> General Information
ACPI Thermal Zone #1 : 40 °C

> Monitoring Chip GPU : ATI Catalyst Driver

> GPU Temperature : 68 °C

> Hard Disk Temperature ST3300622A : 26 °C

> Hard Disk Temperature ST3300622A : 28 °C

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***** End of report *****

That is from the Voltage/Temperature tab with PCwizard. I have WoW running at the moment if that changes anything
 

robisbell

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okay. there may be the issue, look at what it is getting for temps from the processor, that's not normal, I'd ask if you've installed the latest BIOS for the motherboard, and if you have, then I'd say a indication it's the processor, but will be able to say for certain after a few more tests.

the benchmark is telling me the HDD and ram may be suspect, not bad mind you, just might have so ancillary issues.
 

robisbell

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okay, so, the memory is clean, I tink it's probably a bad processor, considering the error it's giving when checking temps.
if you updated the bios, you did update the chipset driver 1st, correct?

per ASUS "To avoid crashing file system, please update the chipset driver prior to updating the Bios.
For WinXP 32bit system, please download and update chipset drivers V6.65 or later
For WinXP 64bit system, please download and update chipset drivers V6.65 or later
For Win2k/2003 32bit system, please download and update chipset drivers V6.66 or later
For Win2003 64bit system, please download and update chipset drivers V6.66 or later"

also you may want to update this as well. "ACPI driver for ATK 0110 virtual device for Windows 2000/XP(32bit and 64bit)/2003(32bit & 64bit)/VISTA(32bit & 64bit)"

 

Vinceisg0d

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Thank you, I think I have done all that before, and I honestly cant tell you if it fixed it or not because i can't control the crashes. In probably 2 weeks ill let you know by this post or PM.
 

Vinceisg0d

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Um...

Oddly enough I had my first crash last night, while I was sleeping. This was before I updated the drivers (which I think are updated anyway), was tired and too lazy to do it last night.

I woke up to a blue screen, but I was unable to read any of it because of the graphical errors.

Computer was left on idling with absolutely nothing running but MSN.
 

robisbell

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this is sounding like a cascade failure, the processors buggy, and then it hits the motherboard, then the video card.
 

Vinceisg0d

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How do I test that without replacing it? The CPU is one of the things I'm unfamiliar with changing.
 

practor

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If this was happening to me I would check if the heat sink is secured rightly on the CPU. Your comment above " I hit the pc and it ran ok for a while" tells me there is something loose in the box. Also have you the right amount of silver on the CPU?
 

Denithor

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My first thought is bad memory but you've already addressed that.

Second thought is heat, either video card or cpu. That warning about the cpu fan failing is not good, can you confirm that the fan is still spinning properly and that the heatsink is not clogged with dust? (I fixed a computer recently that would just turn off 5 minutes or less after starting by simply blowing dust out of the heatsink.)

After you have confirmed that your heatsink/fan are mounted correctly and dust-free, try running Orthos in the large set to stress out your cpu/ram looking for problems. You should also load CoreTemp or SpeedFan to monitor your cpu temperatures during the test to see how high they get.
 

robisbell

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I think it's a bad cpu myself, and as how to remove it and replace it, I'd have to see what type of HSF you have on yours.
 

Vinceisg0d

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I am not touching the case until I move on the 15th. lol, not worth the risk.

Either way:

Torture Test ran 9 hours, 55 minutes 49 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
2/2 pass throughs.

That was the Large Set with Orthos.
 

btcomm1

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I think it's a bad video card considering he's getting video errors, I think OP should try another video card.

Vinceisg0d, I know you may not want to pay money for another video card but at least see if you can borrow one or your friends to see if the errors still happen, when ever I see video corruption like that I go strait to the video card.
 

robisbell

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Processor Temperature (Core 1) : 4.294967E+09 °C
Processor Temperature (Core 2) : 4.294967E+09 °C

explain then how a defective video card causes the processor to report invalid temp readings?
 

btcomm1

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I did not say that a video card causes invalid temp readings, there is such a thing as having multiple problems on a computer.

BTW I don't think it's your processor because to my knowlege the temperature reader is on the motherboard not on the chip, maybe I'm wrong and it is directly on the chip in new CPU's but that would be news to me.

I still say borrow one of your friends video cards temporarily, or even better buy a video card at frys and test it out, if it still happens return the video card.

How often does your video corruption happen? Is it right when you boot up or does it take a while? If it is right away then it would not take very long to test another card.

I'm 80 percent sure it's your video card, at least the video distortion problem, could possibly be your CPU or your motherboard, much more likely it would be your motherboard then your CPU.