Let's play a game! (school-related)

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Lifer
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It's called, "Let's find Nate a second major!"

In my foolish desire to maximize my chances for admission to a good law school, and to simultaneously make my eventual goal of a law degree and CPA license easier, I have decided to wait an extra year before law school, giving myself a chance to: raise my grades, establish a rising grade trend, prepare a kick-ass application for law school, and fulfill the education requirements for the CPA exam. Plus, I have housing and most of tuition covered provided I stay at the main campus (as opposed to applying as a post-baccalaureate to a UW satellite campus).

Unfortunately, this has introduced another element of uncertainty into my planned course: getting into the Univ. of Washington business school. With my current GPA (3.27 cum), I'm towards the lower end of their applicant pool. With my grades in the prereq classes, I'm at the top of their applicant pool. I'm a skilled writer and so I have no doubt of my ability to do well on both the application personal statement and the writing assessment. Even so, with my overall GPA, I think my chances of getting accepted are somewhere around a 50-50.

But wait, it gets better. See, if I'd come to the UW about ten years ago, when enrollment was considerably lower, they wouldn't have cared if I'd just take an extra year's worth of classes. But now that enrollment's higher, they've started enforcing a 210 Credit Rule. The technical issue is this: I'll only have 161 credits after Winter quarter. I need 180 credits for my Bachelor of Science. Technically they can't force me to graduate until the end of Autumn quarter, given my non-acceptance to the business school.

Now, the thing that really boils my haggis is this: back in November, I thought I'd be graduating this year. So I put in an application for graduation. Now that I'm planning on an extra year, I need to apply to have it deferred. But to do so I need to get it approved through my adviser, and she told me today that unless I get accepted to the business school, she's not going to put it through for more than a quarter's extension (meaning I'd have to go to her to get it approved for each quarter beyond Autumn). Which she won't do; come Autumn quarter, she apparently can force me to either take the last required class for the degree or have my registration put on hold.

There is yet another difficulty inherent here. What courses I take Spring quarter depend on which path I take. I don't find out whether I've been admitted to the business school until May. If I choose business, I take my final quarter of latin, an econ class and two business classes. If I "choose" to graduate, I take the last required courses. If I choose to add a second degree, I'll be taking as many of those courses as is possible. My choice right now is the third: sign up for the intro-level classes for a new major for Spring quarter registration, then make a decision the first day of classes whether to try to overload into the business classes.

So here's where you all come in. What should I major in? It (theoretically) should mesh well with economics, look good on a law school application, and preferably not have too much to do with biology or chemistry, the only two subjects I detest. I am leaning towards Political Science (with a Political Economy concentration) or Philosophy, both of which are marginally doable in four quarters.

There is a possible downside to this, apparently: the adviser I spoke with also said that trying for a double major could make me appear too "spread out" to a law school admissions committee, that my early focus in econ and math (ending in a major in econ and a minor in math) wouldn't mesh well with political science, or that the combination of the two just wouldn't look good for some reason.

So, thoughts? Am I stressing out too much over the business school app and should I just lay back and enjoy the next few months? Should I just bite the bullet, work for a year, and then go to law school? Should I fight this tooth and nail and take the technicalities to the death? Or should I add another major and stay an extra year in some ancillary subject which I've never before considered?

Cheers!
Nate

UPDATE: An additional thought - what if I just pursued an extra minor in Latin? It'd (technically) force me to go for an extra year, because it requires an extra 6 credits at the 400-level, but the 400 level courses have a prereq course sequence (Latin 305 - Intro to Latin Literature and Latin 306 - Cicero and Ovid) that would take me through winter of next year, then next spring I could finish the minor with Latin 307 - Vergil, Latin 401 - Medieval Latin Literature, and Latin 402 - Later Medieval and Renaissance Latin Literature and maybe an additional 3-credit 400 level Latin class. This'd give me time to do an extra six econ classes for fun (2 this spring, 2 next autumn, 2 next winter) as well as do some sort of an internship with a bank or financial firm over the summer. Presuming I don't get into business, of course. (damn, now I want to stay an extra year just for the latin!)

UPDATE 2: Screw this, I'll go for a Classical Studies major. I'll get the same amount of Latin, but I'll at least get a second degree out of it. Plus I'll get to study ancient military history, among other things.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Will they even care if you add another generic major like political science?

Looks like I just opened you up!

That's part of the questions in my post: should I not even bother this and just add poli sci if I don't get into business?
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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I'm gonna vote for Electrical Engineering since it's such an easy major. It'd be nice if you could organize to take a couple of semesters at MIT or Carnegie Mellon to make things more interesting.
 

Willoughbyva

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Will your advisor let you go for more major/minors? I really didn't get that part. It seems like he/she wants you out of there sooner rather than later.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Will your advisor let you go for more major/minors? I really didn't get that part. It seems like he/she wants you out of there sooner rather than later.

She can't stop me from pursuing another major. I don't really see the benefit of a second minor, and with most of the requirements for minors at this school it usually makes sense to just pursue the major and get the actual second degree.

The reason I'm so irritated with her (I normally enjoy her company, I've worked with her on projects through a student group in the econ department) is because of that attitude, I got that same feeling while talking to her.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Will they even care if you add another generic major like political science?

Looks like I just opened you up!

That's part of the questions in my post: should I not even bother this and just add poli sci if I don't get into business?

So one of your options is to go to business school for an MBA and then go to law school afterwards? You sound like me, planning to be in school until you're like 30 :)

I'm no expert so you shouldn't take what I say that seriously, but adding a political science degree probably won't add much since it's so generic in business & law school applicants. They probably get a gajillion Econ/PS double majors. If you can improve your gpa then great.

Don't stress out so much. If you don't get accepted anywhere, then go work for a year or two. You're pretty young to be going to business school.
 

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I'm gonna vote for Electrical Engineering since it's such an easy major. It'd be nice if you could organize to take a couple of semesters at MIT or Carnegie Mellon to make things more interesting.

That would probably hurt him since it's an easy major, typically viewed as a major you drop out into from better majors!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Will they even care if you add another generic major like political science?

Looks like I just opened you up!

That's part of the questions in my post: should I not even bother this and just add poli sci if I don't get into business?

So one of your options is to go to business school for an MBA and then go to law school afterwards? You sound like me, planning to be in school until you're like 30 :)

I'm no expert so you shouldn't take what I say that seriously, but adding a political science degree probably won't add much since it's so generic in business & law school applicants. They probably get a gajillion Econ/PS double majors. If you can improve your gpa then great.

Don't stress out so much. If you don't get accepted anywhere, then go work for a year or two. You're pretty young to be going to business school.

As far as I understand it, I could apply for an MBA program, but my grades aren't good enough to get me into a good school, regardless of how good I think I'd do on the GMAT (and I'd have to take those and jump through all those hoops ASAP too). I lack professional work experience, too. So for now I'm just going for the second undergraduate degree in business (accounting concentration), then the law degree, then the CPA license, then an MBA or LL.M. program.

Yeah, I'm not really thinking that the extra degree itself would add too much, I'm more worried about it detracting. I could easily get a BA in Math if I wanted, but my grades wouldn't be exemplary if I did it. I know myself well enough to know that I can get A's throughout a business program or through a Poli Sci program. The ultimate question is if it's even worth the effort.
 

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Lifer
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Why don't you want a technical major to be your second major? I know that the Econ people in my college that had the most interviews and got nice job offers had Econ along with technical degrees like EE, CS, etc. Apparently people were impressed.
 
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I think that you have no chance at a good MBA school if you lack any 'real' work experience. The average age for GOOD MBA schools is usually around 28, right?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think that you have no chance at a good MBA school if you lack any 'real' work experience. The average age for GOOD MBA schools is usually around 28, right?

I don't know what the average age is, but I do know that I'm not a good candidate at this point in time. The only time I am considering an MBA is after law school.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Why don't you want a technical major to be your second major? I know that the Econ people in my college that had the most interviews and got nice job offers had Econ along with technical degrees like EE, CS, etc. Apparently people were impressed.

I could do one, and in fact I could do Math or Applied Math easily with the prereqs I have done. But it would a) be infinitely more difficult than Poli Sci (duh), b) my overall GPA would be considerably lower, and c) it's not related to anything I want to do.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think that you have no chance at a good MBA school if you lack any 'real' work experience. The average age for GOOD MBA schools is usually around 28, right?

I don't know what the average age is, but I do know that I'm not a good candidate at this point in time. The only time I am considering an MBA is after law school.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Why don't you want a technical major to be your second major? I know that the Econ people in my college that had the most interviews and got nice job offers had Econ along with technical degrees like EE, CS, etc. Apparently people were impressed.

I could do one, and in fact I could do Math or Applied Math easily with the prereqs I have done. But it would a) be infinitely more difficult than Poli Sci (duh), b) my overall GPA would be considerably lower, and c) it's not related to anything I want to do.

Well those people were getting & are employed at straight-up pure Econ/Financial type jobs, so their second degrees aren't related to what they do. It just impressed many companies and gave them a big edge over other candidates. I wouldn't do it though if it would hurt your GPA.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Well those people were getting & are employed at straight-up pure Econ/Financial type jobs, so their second degrees aren't related to what they do. It just impressed many companies and gave them a big edge over other candidates. I wouldn't do it though if it would hurt your GPA.

I see the advantage of having it, a demonstrated ability to work with and manipulate numbers and data on a deeper level than simple algebra. I guess in my mind my coursework and current research already demonstrate it. I just don't want to do any more formal coursework. :p

Hmm. Much to consider. Worst comes to worst, I could do psychology.
 

TuxDave

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Wanna confirm my cliffnoted version of this before I make a suggestion?

So you wanna go into law school
You're an economics major
You want to figure out what major will help your application?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Wanna confirm my cliffnoted version of this before I make a suggestion?

So you wanna go into law school
You're an economics major
You want to figure out what major will help your application?

I'm trying to find a second major that would fit well with what I've already studied, but would only take an extra four quarters to complete. I'm leaning towards political science. But I've also been told that having too many degrees, or having too many courses in spread out areas, can hurt an application - so an app with a BS Econ, BA Poli Sci, minor in Math might not look as good as someone with a BS Econ, minor in math and a year of work experience.

So either an extra double major or graduate and work.