Let's hear it for the French . . .

[XMan]

Good job, Froggies. Way to fumble up a sting operation . . .

AP

One U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. government had been trying to keep the negotiations with France confidential, "hoping that we would be able to lure some of these people in."

The official said there was some frustration within the Department of Homeland Security that the flights were canceled, thus allowing the word to get out about the security concerns.

 

[Strk]

Those jerks; they made it so they can't even attempt to catch a potential threat.

Honestly, if there was a big enough threat; would you really risk peoples' lives on the possibilty you could catch the person(s)?

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Strk
Those jerks; they made it so they can't even attempt to catch a potential threat.

Honestly, if there was a big enough threat; would you really risk peoples' lives on the possibilty you could catch the person(s)?

I imagine they were wanting to arrest the suspected people before they entered the plane, in as quiet a fashion as possible. I don't think they would have allowed them to take off.

 

[dahunan]

The value of labeling sixty million people is????

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Strk
Those jerks; they made it so they can't even attempt to catch a potential threat.

Honestly, if there was a big enough threat; would you really risk peoples' lives on the possibilty you could catch the person(s)?

I imagine they were wanting to arrest the suspected people before they entered the plane, in as quiet a fashion as possible. I don't think they would have allowed them to take off.

I'm aware they wanted to try and catch whoever they suspected; but where is the guarantee they would have?(that is if the threat is real) Why risk hundreds of lives on an assumption that you will get everyone?

 

[Gaard]

If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

 

[Dari]

Hopefully they can catch them in france.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Strk
Those jerks; they made it so they can't even attempt to catch a potential threat.

Honestly, if there was a big enough threat; would you really risk peoples' lives on the possibilty you could catch the person(s)?

I imagine they were wanting to arrest the suspected people before they entered the plane, in as quiet a fashion as possible. I don't think they would have allowed them to take off.

I'm aware they wanted to try and catch whoever they suspected; but where is the guarantee they would have?(that is if the threat is real) Why risk hundreds of lives on an assumption that you will get everyone?

What is the danger if the flights never leave the ground? Do you honestly think that they would risk that? No, they'd have dozens of police personnel in the airplane disguised as travelers and flight attendents and arrest their suspects before the plane even backed away from the terminal.

The French government is either very stupid or deliberately undermining American efforts. Whatever the case may be we missed a golden opportunity to capture one or several terrorist cells relatively intact, as well as whatever hard intelligence that might have gone along with it.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Gaard
If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

French bashing to be sure. They're damned if that do, and damned if they don't(gee, where have I heard this before? )

Edit: Here's a title I'm sure we would have been seeing (or something similar) if something had happend "French allow terrorists slip by to bomb the U.S"

 

[arsbanned]

The value of labeling sixty million people is????

What exactly does that have to do with the thread? Just curious. You seem to have an agenda not consistent with the discussion.

On topic, this is an interesting story developing. Apparently the intelligence was quite specific, flight numbers and dates. It would be unfortunate if the French botched things.


Oh OK, the label remark makes sense now (froggies....). Sorry. My bad.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

The value of labeling sixty million people is????

What exactly does that have to do with the thread? Just curious. You seem to have an agenda not consistent with the discussion.

On topic, this is an interesting story developing. Apparently the intelligence was quite specific, flight numbers and dates. It would be unfortunate if the French botched things.

The author of the thread called the French a bunch of frogs when the decision was made by the PM. I don't see any agenda, I see a person who doesn't like to accuse an entire nation because of the action of the PM.(and before you say "but the people chose the PM", the PM is appointed, not elected.)

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Gaard
If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

France had no choice. If they refused, then the planes would have been denied ascces to US airspace and thus their only fate would be to fall into the ocean upon running out of fuel or being shot down by the US Air Force. Either way France would be at fault.

 

[Moonbeam]

I salute the French by eating their cheese. Oh man, you know there's something wrong with people that can make that good of cheese.

 

[stormbv]

The word of the day is: Hubris

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gaard
If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

France had no choice. If they refused, then the planes would have been denied ascces to US airspace and thus their only fate would be to fall into the ocean upon running out of fuel or being shot down by the US Air Force. Either way France would be at fault.

right, that would be a real coup for America, when probably most of the passengers were Americans anyway

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gaard
If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

France had no choice. If they refused, then the planes would have been denied ascces to US airspace and thus their only fate would be to fall into the ocean upon running out of fuel or being shot down by the US Air Force. Either way France would be at fault.

right, that would be a real coup for America, when probably most of the passengers were Americans anyway

Never said it would be a coup, I said France had no choice as the potential outcomes would be their fault dumbass.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: dahunan
The value of labeling sixty million people is????

and the value to ponting out others shortcomings? you realize that people will always call others they disagree with names. dems will always call repubs names and vice versa, Americans will always call other 'inferior' nationalities names an vice versa. It happens when one harbors ill will against another.

In other words, get over it cause it'll always happen.

Besides, there is plenty of value if labeling 60 million people. When all you see are the people that represent a populace and they fit the stereotype, one cant help but extend the stereotype to all the people being represented.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gaard
If France had shrugged off the US embassy's request to cancel the flights and another terrorist attack had occurred, I wonder what kinds of thread titles we would have here in P&N.

France had no choice. If they refused, then the planes would have been denied ascces to US airspace and thus their only fate would be to fall into the ocean upon running out of fuel or being shot down by the US Air Force. Either way France would be at fault.

right, that would be a real coup for America, when probably most of the passengers were Americans anyway

Never said it would be a coup, I said France had no choice as the potential outcomes would be their fault dumbass.

lets cut your brain in half and count the stupidity rings.

 

[Witling]

For what it's worth, Al Jazeera is reporting that the French aircraft warnings were a false alarm. They say the French police examined the names of the passengers and came up with no terrorists. This story

Before ranting and raving, this story appeared late Christmas day. Why not wait to see if a reputable western source picks up the story and then rant and rave.

 

[gaga38]

Originally posted by: Strk
Those jerks; they made it so they can't even attempt to catch a potential threat.

Honestly, if there was a big enough threat; would you really risk peoples' lives on the possibilty you could catch the person(s)?

lol
french pm wanted to board 6 armed gign (sort of counter terrorist agency) by plane and told it to powell who refused at once because he didnt want to risk any terrorist attack
check your sources.

 

[freegeeks]

X-man

do some research before you start with the French bashing

The US intelligence was wrong (again)

The French did pick up several people that were on the US made list to question them (one American, one French and several Algerians)





BBC link

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: dahunan
The value of labeling sixty million people is????

and the value to ponting out others shortcomings? you realize that people will always call others they disagree with names. dems will always call repubs names and vice versa, Americans will always call other 'inferior' nationalities names an vice versa. It happens when one harbors ill will against another.

In other words, get over it cause it'll always happen.

Besides, there is plenty of value if labeling 60 million people. When all you see are the people that represent a populace and they fit the stereotype, one cant help but extend the stereotype to all the people being represented.

Good grief, Genesys, you got the bigotry package down pat huh. All them assumptions you make about people is just you projecting onto others how you are. The world stinks cause you gots yur nose im yur ass, so to speak. I happens ta know yur really an angle what got gragged through the mud. A little bath and yu'll be fine.

 

[arsbanned]

The world stinks cause you gots yur nose im yur ass,

ewwwwwwww.



The Las Vegas angle is pretty interesting though. How about a quick poll to see who would be upset if they took out Las Vegas?

 

[smashp]

""A French Interior Ministry spokesman said nine people booked on Air France's canceled Christmas Eve flight AF 068 had been questioned and released without being charged. Four were U.S. nationals, two German, one Algerian, one French and one Belgian, the spokesman said. ""

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: dahunan
The value of labeling sixty million people is????

and the value to ponting out others shortcomings? you realize that people will always call others they disagree with names. dems will always call repubs names and vice versa, Americans will always call other 'inferior' nationalities names an vice versa. It happens when one harbors ill will against another.

In other words, get over it cause it'll always happen.

Besides, there is plenty of value if labeling 60 million people. When all you see are the people that represent a populace and they fit the stereotype, one cant help but extend the stereotype to all the people being represented.

Good grief, Genesys, you got the bigotry package down pat huh. All them assumptions you make about people is just you projecting onto others how you are. The world stinks cause you gots yur nose im yur ass, so to speak. I happens ta know yur really an angle what got gragged through the mud. A little bath and yu'll be fine.

ever hear the phrase 'guilt by association'?