Let's have it out. Europeans, Canadians, South Americans supposedly mostly hate Americans .. this forum is international

Polish3d

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Let's hear it. Most of us in America hear this but rarely hear the reasons...
 

Polish3d

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Don't ruin this thread, it's not trolling, I really want to hear it. I keep hearing 'they hate us' but never the reasons why. Please go elsewhere
 

Strk

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Do you really have to ask why Argentines aren't particularly impressed with us?

And Hugo Chavez is just a bunch of hot air. It would be great of Venezeula would elect someone else.
 

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Originally posted by: Strk
Do you really have to ask why Argentines aren't particularly impressed with us?

And Hugo Chavez is just a bunch of hot air. It would be great of Venezeula would elect someone else.

Or would it be better if we used covert operations and murder to appoint someone to be their leader?
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: Strk
Do you really have to ask why Argentines aren't particularly impressed with us?

And Hugo Chavez is just a bunch of hot air. It would be great of Venezeula would elect someone else.

Did I ask about Argentina specifically? I'd appreciate that if you are going to be mocking at least do it about something I actually said rather than something you said and decided to act like I said as well.
 

Polish3d

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The mid-east is talked about more and you can lay it down, feel free, but I'm primarily interested in the reasons our semi-allies in Europe and those in our southern hemisphere have.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Strk
Do you really have to ask why Argentines aren't particularly impressed with us?

And Hugo Chavez is just a bunch of hot air. It would be great of Venezeula would elect someone else.

Did I ask about Argentina specifically? I'd appreciate that if you are going to be mocking at least do it about something I actually said rather than something you said and decided to act like I said as well.

You said South Americans hate us, ok. But my guess is the question came from the riots in Argentina. And it really doesn't matter as a whole, since the reasons some Argentines have some contempt for us would be the same reasons through most of South America.

*edit* Here's a nice little start one South American issues. The Cold War sure brought out the worst in us. And with people and their unwavering support for the Bush administration's policies makes me worry that we are headed down that road again. :(

And about the European part, I once asked a French friend of mine that question. He said it's not that they hate us, but they sure hate our government.
 

Polish3d

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Here is an interesting article on anti-Americanism:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030301f...ke-aim-at-french-anti-americanism.html


(mainly about France)



Again, the problem I have with these attitudes can be summed up in the phrase,

"America has done the most good in the world in the last century and yet is the most vocally hated country today."


It's not proportionate, and like this article describes, it has little to do with contemporary American action...

But I'm still willing to listen to the reasons from some of our international members... again, America essentially likes everyone overseas, Europe, Germany, Netherlands... we even like Canada... so the animosity isn't mutual ... although if you guys keep at it it could become so.


But please, explain your reasons
 

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Well its not complicated for the middle east, it just revolves around the Isreal-Palestine conflict. America didn't step in and try to solve the problem, no no they just took one side, the Israeli side. They could have handled it better by trying to bring peace by not picking a side. After they sided with the Jews, all Muslims pretty much lost all faith in America.

Also the whole Iraq thing didn't help the situation...
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Strk
Do you really have to ask why Argentines aren't particularly impressed with us?

And Hugo Chavez is just a bunch of hot air. It would be great of Venezeula would elect someone else.

Did I ask about Argentina specifically? I'd appreciate that if you are going to be mocking at least do it about something I actually said rather than something you said and decided to act like I said as well.

You said South Americans hate us, ok. But my guess is the question came from the riots in Argentina. And it really doesn't matter as a whole, since the reasons some Argentines have some contempt for us would be the same reasons through most of South America.


I'm mainly interested in European anti Americanism actually. I understand to some extent the grievances of the people of Argentinia, but there are other countries that are relevant in that region too and I'd like to hear their opinions
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Well its not complicated for the middle east, it just revolves around the Isreal-Palestine conflict. America didn't step in and try to solve the problem, no no they just took one side, the Israeli side. They could have handled it better by trying to bring peace by not picking a side. After they sided with the Jews, all Muslims pretty much lost all faith in America.

Why did we need to choose sides at all? Because muslim countries decided to attempt to exterminate Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone to exist in peace.


We did the right thing by siding with Israel. America is not going to support the racist ant-semitism of muslim countries and their desire to slaughter the Jewish people, period.

You in the mideast would be treated equally when you begin showing you deserve that respect.



Your culture needs to mature, the idea that you somehow have an inherent right to America's support despite your awful behavior is a good example of the failings of your mentality.

That somehow your intolerance of Jewish people is acceptable and worthy of American support is another.

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Here is an interesting article on anti-Americanism:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030301f...ke-aim-at-french-anti-americanism.html


(mainly about France)



Again, the problem I have with these attitudes can be summed up in the phrase,

"America has done the most good in the world in the last century and yet is the most vocally hated country today."


It's not proportionate, and like this article describes, it has little to do with contemporary American action...

But I'm still willing to listen to the reasons from some of our international members... again, America essentially likes everyone overseas, Europe, Germany, Netherlands... we even like Canada... so the animosity isn't mutual ... although if you guys keep at it it could become so.


But please, explain your reasons


George and his war buddies run high debts in morality also.. pre-emptive strikes on non aggressors are not very popular..... supporting any action that Israel takes is not very intelligent or popular or humane.
 

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Well its not complicated for the middle east, it just revolves around the Isreal-Palestine conflict. America didn't step in and try to solve the problem, no no they just took one side, the Israeli side. They could have handled it better by trying to bring peace by not picking a side. After they sided with the Jews, all Muslims pretty much lost all faith in America.

Why did we need to choose sides at all? Because muslim countries decided to attempt to exterminate Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone to exist in peace.


We did the right thing by siding with Israel. America is not going to support the racist ant-semitism of muslim countries and their desire to slaughter the Jewish people, period.

You in the mideast would be treated equally when you begin showing you deserve that respect.

Your culture needs to mature, the idea that you somehow have an inherent right to America's support despite your awful behavior is a good example of the failings of your mentality.


Isreal just wants to exist in peace????? They occupy, sorry, Steal foreign land?? How would you feel if China decided to create a chineese state in america?? Then when they decide to leave their occupied territories, everyone is supposed to feel sorry for them... Well sorry not me.. The holocaust happened years ago and these people will NEVER get over it!


 

Polish3d

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Yes, that's exactly what I said. And there is a big difference between the creation of Israel by the UN and China planting a new country in Ohio.

Besides, the muslim desire to get rid of Israel has little, if anything to do with stolen land or lost resources, it's prejudicial and racist in nature, and we will not support it.

 

mOeeOm

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Originally posted by: envy me
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Well its not complicated for the middle east, it just revolves around the Isreal-Palestine conflict. America didn't step in and try to solve the problem, no no they just took one side, the Israeli side. They could have handled it better by trying to bring peace by not picking a side. After they sided with the Jews, all Muslims pretty much lost all faith in America.

Why did we need to choose sides at all? Because muslim countries decided to attempt to exterminate Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone to exist in peace.


We did the right thing by siding with Israel. America is not going to support the racist ant-semitism of muslim countries and their desire to slaughter the Jewish people, period.

You in the mideast would be treated equally when you begin showing you deserve that respect.

Your culture needs to mature, the idea that you somehow have an inherent right to America's support despite your awful behavior is a good example of the failings of your mentality.


Isreal just wants to exist in peace????? They occupy, sorry, Steal foreign land?? How would you feel if China decided to create a chineese state in america?? Then when they decide to leave their occupied territories, everyone is supposed to feel sorry for them... Well sorry not me.. The holocaust happened years ago and these people will NEVER get over it!

He used the anti-semite card :D I love it.
 

mOeeOm

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Yes, that's exactly what I said. And there is a big difference between the creation of Israel by the UN and China planting a new country in Ohio.

Besides, the muslim desire to get rid of Israel has little, if anything to do with stolen land or lost resources, it's prejudicial and racist in nature, and we will not support it.

Riiiiiiight.

And you wonder why so many parts of the world hate America.
 

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Yes, that's exactly what I said. And there is a big difference between the creation of Israel by the UN and China planting a new country in Ohio.

Besides, the muslim desire to get rid of Israel has little, if anything to do with stolen land or lost resources, it's prejudicial and racist in nature, and we will not support it.

I can understand why the Palestinians don't like Israel, I really can. However, that doesn't give them the right to go around killing Israeli civilians and disrupting the peace process.
 

dahunan

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Does Israel ever offer financial compensation for the collateral damages caused by their military? I know that AMERICA DOES... but does Israel.. afterall.. they only want peace and justice..
 

Polish3d

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You're nitpicking, that's a minor issue in comparison to the entire Israel/Muslim problem
 

dahunan

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Not true.. If they want peace then act like peacemakers.

They actually destroy the home where suicide bomber was last known to live.. meaning they destroy the homes of MOM AND DAD.. who may or may not have condoned the bombing .... sometimes this kills an innocent when they do this.. and it always destroys property of people who HAD NOTHING to do with the bombing... this type of behavior and America's acceptance of it is despicable. do you only see one side of the issue?