Let's clear the air on something. Trump never called white supremacists or neo-Nazis "very fine people."

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SlowSpyder

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This is simple:

Show us pictures from the Unite The Right Rally in Charlottesville that day who were on the right, but NOT linked to white supremacists or neo-nazis.

I've been waiting for two years to see pictures of these "very fine people" who were NOT neo-nazis.

I have yet to see a picture.

This is the point: He tried to claim something that is NOT true while at the same time trying to give white nationalists credit.

I was not there, I can only go by things I've read, and what I've read and heard is that there were others there that were there for no other reason than to protest the removal of the statues, people that were not neo-Nazi types. It seems a lot of people support keeping the statue of a historical figure pertaining to a very important and pivotal time in America. Does it really seem that implausible to you?

 

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I was not there, I can only go by things I've read, and what I've read and heard is that there were others there that were there for no other reason than to protest the removal of the statues, people that were not neo-Nazi types. It seems a lot of people support keeping the statue of a historical figure pertaining to a very important and pivotal time in America. Does it really seem that implausible to you?

I believe we are all talking about the night of the Tiki march. Fox would have found the "very fine people" if they existed.

The next day there were fine people there to protest the assholes from the night before. One of their names was Heather Hyer.
 

umbrella39

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Geosurface is and always will be a racist POS (before he walked away from the Democrat party of course).

Same shit, different account.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I submit this debate is a distraction but for which there is action which can be taken and lawful so that Trump and his supporters will defy the law or support that action out of fear. Arrest those who do not comply with the law and hold them in contempt until someone complies. Rinse repeat. If that means Barr, then so be it.
 

allisolm

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Thanks to the OP for posting this thread so that there is indeed an opportunity to clear the air, although I see he made a slight error in the title and I'll correct it now.

Let's clear the air on something. Trump called white supremacists or neo-Nazis "very fine people."

There. Much better.


And, for anyone who missed it
Donald Trump has now said more than 10,000 untrue things as president.
 
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Commodus

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Pretty sure the OP could see Trump wearing a swastika armband and would insist that it was just a nod to Buddhism.
 
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fskimospy

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I was not there, I can only go by things I've read, and what I've read and heard is that there were others there that were there for no other reason than to protest the removal of the statues, people that were not neo-Nazi types. It seems a lot of people support keeping the statue of a historical figure pertaining to a very important and pivotal time in America. Does it really seem that implausible to you?

Those people are dressed really warmly for the middle of August, which is when the white supremacist rally in question took place. Those trees seem to be really barren too.
 
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cytg111

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I'll give him credit he was concise but he's definitely getting teleprompter assistance.

Also does the audio seem to not match the video? Not saying its been altered it just plays kind of funny.
That video is a replay of


The "would" he was forced to correct to "wouldnt" spectacle of best brains ... Jfc, watching that shit again, what an enormous display of mental retardation...
 

UglyCasanova

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This is one of the cases i actually agree with the OP. I hate Trump with a passion as in if he died, id smile, but i dont think he was calling Neo-Nazis and WS "very fine people" in all the videos, tweets ive seen. He does utter those words, but he is talking about the people who showed up to protest peacefully on both sides. Of course you had people looking to start fights on both sides, but they were not all of them, and he condemns those people specifically.

In this instance at least. But im pretty sure he supports that stuff outside of this instance and dog whistles to them, etc.

Edit: Damnit people you made Slow like my post...grr lol

This. There were statues being removed and protests against their removal happening at that time, not just in Charlottesville. No doubt there were people there that had zero to do with neonazis or white supremecists that were protesting the removal of those statues. Of course all we see are the two groups battling it out with each other and Trumps diplomacy leads a lot to be desired for sure but ultimately to pretend there weren’t people protesting the removal of the statues is disingenuous.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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This. There were statues being removed and protests against their removal happening at that time, not just in Charlottesville. No doubt there were people there that had zero to do with neonazis or white supremecists that were protesting the removal of those statues. Of course all we see are the two groups battling it out with each other and Trumps diplomacy leads a lot to be desired for sure but ultimately to pretend there weren’t people protesting the removal of the statues is disingenuous.
I'll tell you one thing without a doubt. I might have an opinion that historical monuments have value beyond racist implications but I would GTFO the moment "Jews will not replace us" was heard. What I might think becomes secondary to the white supremacists who took over. If I leave I might be a good person but if I stay and disregard what is going on around me I lose that qualification entirely. Associating with neo-nazis and the like? There is no justification.
 

SlowSpyder

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Those people are dressed really warmly for the middle of August, which is when the white supremacist rally in question took place. Those trees seem to be really barren too.
My first sentence addresses that. I did not get the name and biography of every person at the protest, I guess you did? The picture is related to the second sentence. A very fine group of people in support of the statue.
 

fskimospy

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This. There were statues being removed and protests against their removal happening at that time, not just in Charlottesville. No doubt there were people there that had zero to do with neonazis or white supremecists that were protesting the removal of those statues. Of course all we see are the two groups battling it out with each other and Trumps diplomacy leads a lot to be desired for sure but ultimately to pretend there weren’t people protesting the removal of the statues is disingenuous.
No doubt, huh? Well then surely you can find a link to photos or interviews with some of them.

What’s really disingenuous is to claim something is a certainty based on zero evidence.
 

fskimospy

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My first sentence addresses that. I did not get the name and biography of every person at the protest, I guess you did? The picture is related to the second sentence. A very fine group of people in support of the statue.
For which there is zero evidence any of them were at the Nazi rally as Trump claimed.
 

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This. There were statues being removed and protests against their removal happening at that time, not just in Charlottesville. No doubt there were people there that had zero to do with neonazis or white supremecists that were protesting the removal of those statues. Of course all we see are the two groups battling it out with each other and Trumps diplomacy leads a lot to be desired for sure but ultimately to pretend there weren’t people protesting the removal of the statues is disingenuous.
And what does this have to do with the event at hand? Why does Trump need to consider these people? This is nothing but a distraction from the root of the matter. The issue is the Charlottesville incident. If there were indeed fine people at other events, they would not have been insulted had Trump unambiguously denounced those participating in the Charlottesville protests. There was no need to bring up "fine people on both sides". Unless he was more concerned about the right saving face than he was about denouncing white supremacy and neonazis. To make his claims even less credible (if that is possible), this isn't even an isolated incident. Trump has consistently pandered to the white supremacists while trying to appear not to. Clear back in February of 2016, Trump refused to denounce the KKK or disavow his endorsement by David Duke.

The thing I find the most troubling is the right's need to defend Trump in this. They try to find an technicality to try to portray Trump's handling of this as truthful and appropriate. This is what leads to the left portraying the right as composed of a bunch of white supremacists. If you aren't one, you should be willing to condemn those that are.
 

Thump553

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Thanks to the OP for posting this thread so that there is indeed an opportunity to clear the air, although I see he made a slight error in the title and I'll correct it now.

Let's clear the air on something. Trump called white supremacists or neo-Nazis "very fine people."

There. Much better.


And, for anyone who missed it
Donald Trump has now said more than 10,000 untrue things as president.
You left off the second sentence of the headline: "And that's not the big story."

The big story, per the second paragraph:

What is surprising -- and even more important -- than the sheer number of falsehoods Trump spews is that the rate at which he does so has picked up dramatically seemingly with every month he has spent in the White House.

I knew his tweeting was going way up (30+ a day recently-heck I don't think I know anyone over thirty that tweets thirty times a month) but was unaware his lying was escalating as well.
 

Jhhnn

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This. There were statues being removed and protests against their removal happening at that time, not just in Charlottesville. No doubt there were people there that had zero to do with neonazis or white supremecists that were protesting the removal of those statues. Of course all we see are the two groups battling it out with each other and Trumps diplomacy leads a lot to be desired for sure but ultimately to pretend there weren’t people protesting the removal of the statues is disingenuous.
Some people may well have come for that really dumb reason. Any who actually marched with the White Power freaks did so knowingly, making them *not* "very fine people". Decent if misguided people declined that opportunity.

I say "dumb" because it is. Whose business is it, anyway? The people of Charlottesville or the Kansas woman & her friends who drove overnight past dozens of other Confederate monuments to meddle in other people's business?
 

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